Doire v An Dun June 7th in Celtic Park (21 years on from the El Classico.)

[tbrick18]

Three people at fault here in descending order.1. The referee for not seeing that it was a very soft red card offence. Just like the black card rule which is still there but refs never apply any more, confident refs should demand a right to waive a rule for a minor transgression. ( eg a fault yes but not a sending off. Who in the crowd would have any problem if a yellow was flashed instead?). 2. The linesman who reacted to the crowd and put pressure on the ref to do what he did. 3. Mc Govern who was taking a risk that might be punishable and in doing so put his team at a disadvantage.

Those three are much more at fault than Enda Lynn who has just received a border line dirty push off to the face. Could he have stayed up. Yes. I'd say he probably wouldn't have objected to getting McGovern a yellow and was more surprised than anyone when the red came out.

So on the list of who's to blame I personally  (as a complete neutral) place Lynn fourth in line.

The bit in bold is the issue for me, and would put Lynn at the top of my list to blame. A mistake can happen by referee, linesman etc. But it was a decision by Lynn to drop down.

It was also a decision by McGovern. Would he not be top of your list?

He wasn't even looking at Lynn, so it was hardly a decision to push him in the face.

Yeah, he must have just been having a wee stretch... 

[OgraAnDun]

Three people at fault here in descending order.1. The referee for not seeing that it was a very soft red card offence. Just like the black card rule which is still there but refs never apply any more, confident refs should demand a right to waive a rule for a minor transgression. ( eg a fault yes but not a sending off. Who in the crowd would have any problem if a yellow was flashed instead?). 2. The linesman who reacted to the crowd and put pressure on the ref to do what he did. 3. Mc Govern who was taking a risk that might be punishable and in doing so put his team at a disadvantage.

Those three are much more at fault than Enda Lynn who has just received a border line dirty push off to the face. Could he have stayed up. Yes. I'd say he probably wouldn't have objected to getting McGovern a yellow and was more surprised than anyone when the red came out.

So on the list of who's to blame I personally  (as a complete neutral) place Lynn fourth in line.

The bit in bold is the issue for me, and would put Lynn at the top of my list to blame. A mistake can happen by referee, linesman etc. But it was a decision by Lynn to drop down.

It was also a decision by McGovern. Would he not be top of your list?

He wasn't even looking at Lynn, so it was hardly a decision to push him in the face.

Yeah, he must have just been having a wee stretch... 

Loom at the video and tell me he was looking at Lynn and deliberately caught him in the face. He meant to push him, obviously, but in the chest, not the face. It's not Kinsella's fault though.

[JoG2]

Three people at fault here in descending order.1. The referee for not seeing that it was a very soft red card offence. Just like the black card rule which is still there but refs never apply any more, confident refs should demand a right to waive a rule for a minor transgression. ( eg a fault yes but not a sending off. Who in the crowd would have any problem if a yellow was flashed instead?). 2. The linesman who reacted to the crowd and put pressure on the ref to do what he did. 3. Mc Govern who was taking a risk that might be punishable and in doing so put his team at a disadvantage.

Those three are much more at fault than Enda Lynn who has just received a border line dirty push off to the face. Could he have stayed up. Yes. I'd say he probably wouldn't have objected to getting McGovern a yellow and was more surprised than anyone when the red came out.

So on the list of who's to blame I personally  (as a complete neutral) place Lynn fourth in line.

The bit in bold is the issue for me, and would put Lynn at the top of my list to blame. A mistake can happen by referee, linesman etc. But it was a decision by Lynn to drop down.

...Please continue

You worded that well ;-)

[INDIANA]

That game was nowhere near as bad as some have claimed. At least it was competitive unlike many of the turkey shoots in the other provinces. McIver will be delighted with the result and even moreso with the fact that they will go into a likely semi against Donegal slightly under the radar. I wouldn't discount them from winning Ulster but they will need to offer more of a scoring threat other than just Bradley and Lynch. On a side note the refereeing was shocking, the standard nationwide is very poor apart from a handful.

You're right it was nowhere near as bad as made out earlier- it was in fact far worse.

When will people in Ulster realise that competitiveness does not equal good skill.

Just review the misplaced passes, wides, poor tackling and cynical fouling. If Barnet played Cowenbeath it would be competitive. You can't use competitiveness as a measure of quality. Two drunks could match each other for quality in a race after last orders

Fortunately that is unlikely to happen as they play in different countries.

Anyway I fail to see your point, if your deriding the game for a lack of quality then by extension your deriding the standard of gaelic football in the country. Indeed both of these counties are of a higher quality than 11 out of the 12 counties in Leinster if you base it on final league positions.

My point is it was a diabolical match to watch. If you give me a piece of chalk I will spell it out clearer for you . Don't be bringing extraneous non entity arguments into it. Judge each game on its merits

And that was an utterly dreadful game . Devoid of skill, entertainment and quality . But it had "intensity" which is an Ulster GAA fan's fail safe.

[oakleaflad]

That game was nowhere near as bad as some have claimed. At least it was competitive unlike many of the turkey shoots in the other provinces. McIver will be delighted with the result and even moreso with the fact that they will go into a likely semi against Donegal slightly under the radar. I wouldn't discount them from winning Ulster but they will need to offer more of a scoring threat other than just Bradley and Lynch. On a side note the refereeing was shocking, the standard nationwide is very poor apart from a handful.

You're right it was nowhere near as bad as made out earlier- it was in fact far worse.

When will people in Ulster realise that competitiveness does not equal good skill.

Just review the misplaced passes, wides, poor tackling and cynical fouling. If Barnet played Cowenbeath it would be competitive. You can't use competitiveness as a measure of quality. Two drunks could match each other for quality in a race after last orders

Fortunately that is unlikely to happen as they play in different countries.

Anyway I fail to see your point, if your deriding the game for a lack of quality then by extension your deriding the standard of gaelic football in the country. Indeed both of these counties are of a higher quality than 11 out of the 12 counties in Leinster if you base it on final league positions.

My point is it was a diabolical match to watch. If you give me a piece of chalk I will spell it out clearer for you . Don't be bringing extraneous non entity arguments into it. Judge each game on its merits

And that was an utterly dreadful game . Devoid of skill, entertainment and quality . But it had "intensity" which is an Ulster GAA fan's fail safe.

There were scores in the game from Bradley, Lynch and McKernan that would grace any field in the country. There was one point in the game so it was entertaining enough. The quality wasn't great but it's early days yet.

[trueblue1234]

Three people at fault here in descending order.1. The referee for not seeing that it was a very soft red card offence. Just like the black card rule which is still there but refs never apply any more, confident refs should demand a right to waive a rule for a minor transgression. ( eg a fault yes but not a sending off. Who in the crowd would have any problem if a yellow was flashed instead?). 2. The linesman who reacted to the crowd and put pressure on the ref to do what he did. 3. Mc Govern who was taking a risk that might be punishable and in doing so put his team at a disadvantage.

Those three are much more at fault than Enda Lynn who has just received a border line dirty push off to the face. Could he have stayed up. Yes. I'd say he probably wouldn't have objected to getting McGovern a yellow and was more surprised than anyone when the red came out.

So on the list of who's to blame I personally  (as a complete neutral) place Lynn fourth in line.

The bit in bold is the issue for me, and would put Lynn at the top of my list to blame. A mistake can happen by referee, linesman etc. But it was a decision by Lynn to drop down.

...Please continue

You worded that well ;-)

Continue what?

[general_lee]

That game was nowhere near as bad as some have claimed. At least it was competitive unlike many of the turkey shoots in the other provinces. McIver will be delighted with the result and even moreso with the fact that they will go into a likely semi against Donegal slightly under the radar. I wouldn't discount them from winning Ulster but they will need to offer more of a scoring threat other than just Bradley and Lynch. On a side note the refereeing was shocking, the standard nationwide is very poor apart from a handful.

You're right it was nowhere near as bad as made out earlier- it was in fact far worse.

When will people in Ulster realise that competitiveness does not equal good skill.

Just review the misplaced passes, wides, poor tackling and cynical fouling. If Barnet played Cowenbeath it would be competitive. You can't use competitiveness as a measure of quality. Two drunks could match each other for quality in a race after last orders

Fortunately that is unlikely to happen as they play in different countries.

Anyway I fail to see your point, if your deriding the game for a lack of quality then by extension your deriding the standard of gaelic football in the country. Indeed both of these counties are of a higher quality than 11 out of the 12 counties in Leinster if you base it on final league positions.

My point is it was a diabolical match to watch. If you give me a piece of chalk I will spell it out clearer for you . Don't be bringing extraneous non entity arguments into it. Judge each game on its merits

And that was an utterly dreadful game . Devoid of skill, entertainment and quality . But it had "intensity" which is an Ulster GAA fan's fail safe.

There were scores in the game from Bradley, Lynch and McKernan that would grace any field in the country. There was one point in the game so it was entertaining enough. The quality wasn't great but it's early days yet.

Ignore him. He wishes he was from Ulster. Or that his county was from Ulster. He sounds like an RTE pundit ffs.

Like Enda McGinley said the other night on a championship discussion panel hosted by Armagh GAA, these boys aren't in the entertainment business. Not that Sunday's game was even devoid of it.

Skill: see Fergal Doc, McKernan, Lynch, Skinner, Lynn, Devlin; Indiana must have selective vision
Entertainment: Bit of controversy. Some nice scores. Result always in doubt. Two teams that went hell for leather. Poor atmosphere granted but it was in Celtic Park so that can't be helped.
Quality: Quality is subjective. Two defensive teams. So what? What the game lacked in free-flowingness was made up for in our old friend intensity 

As a neutral I enjoyed the game. Not the best game ever by any stretch of the imagination but certainly not the worst. Neither team will go far unless Derry work some sort of miracle in the USFC as the qualifiers are not their friend. Down are lacking too much in midfield and half forward line to be any sort of a threat.

[imtommygunn]

Indiana has been scarred by Dublin's last two games with Donegal. First it was Donegal he picked on, then it was Tyrone after he deemed their behaviour inappropriate in the U21 and it's slowly morphed into the whole of ulster lol.  I'm not sure when he'll start on Kerry as he seems to keep his disdain for ulster.

I think it's like an all star exhibition game you want every week Indiana...

[JoG2]

That game was nowhere near as bad as some have claimed. At least it was competitive unlike many of the turkey shoots in the other provinces. McIver will be delighted with the result and even moreso with the fact that they will go into a likely semi against Donegal slightly under the radar. I wouldn't discount them from winning Ulster but they will need to offer more of a scoring threat other than just Bradley and Lynch. On a side note the refereeing was shocking, the standard nationwide is very poor apart from a handful.

You're right it was nowhere near as bad as made out earlier- it was in fact far worse.

When will people in Ulster realise that competitiveness does not equal good skill.

Just review the misplaced passes, wides, poor tackling and cynical fouling. If Barnet played Cowenbeath it would be competitive. You can't use competitiveness as a measure of quality. Two drunks could match each other for quality in a race after last orders

Fortunately that is unlikely to happen as they play in different countries.

Anyway I fail to see your point, if your deriding the game for a lack of quality then by extension your deriding the standard of gaelic football in the country. Indeed both of these counties are of a higher quality than 11 out of the 12 counties in Leinster if you base it on final league positions.

My point is it was a diabolical match to watch. If you give me a piece of chalk I will spell it out clearer for you . Don't be bringing extraneous non entity arguments into it. Judge each game on its merits

And that was an utterly dreadful game . Devoid of skill, entertainment and quality . But it had "intensity" which is an Ulster GAA fan's fail safe.

There were scores in the game from Bradley, Lynch and McKernan that would grace any field in the country. There was one point in the game so it was entertaining enough. The quality wasn't great but it's early days yet.

Ignore him. He wishes he was from Ulster. Or that his county was from Ulster. He sounds like an RTE pundit ffs.

Like Enda McGinley said the other night on a championship discussion panel hosted by Armagh GAA, these boys aren't in the entertainment business. Not that Sunday's game was even devoid of it.

Skill: see Fergal Doc, McKernan, Lynch, Skinner, Lynn, Devlin; Indiana must have selective vision
Entertainment: Bit of controversy. Some nice scores. Result always in doubt. Two teams that went hell for leather. Poor atmosphere granted but it was in Celtic Park so that can't be helped.
Quality: Quality is subjective. Two defensive teams. So what? What the game lacked in free-flowingness was made up for in our old friend intensity 

As a neutral I enjoyed the game. Not the best game ever by any stretch of the imagination but certainly not the worst. Neither team will go far unless Derry work some sort of miracle in the USFC as the qualifiers are not their friend. Down are lacking too much in midfield and half forward line to be any sort of a threat.

I agree with what your saying General in general, but bar last years qualifier disaster @ CP (no disrespect to Longford), I think Derry have won more qualifier games than any other county

[INDIANA]

Indiana has been scarred by Dublin's last two games with Donegal. First it was Donegal he picked on, then it was Tyrone after he deemed their behaviour inappropriate in the U21 and it's slowly morphed into the whole of ulster lol.  I'm not sure when he'll start on Kerry as he seems to keep his disdain for ulster.

I think it's like an all star exhibition game you want every week Indiana...

No scarring I just look at the roll of honour and tot up the number of all Ireland's won by Ulster counties. You don't need higher level maths as the number isn't too high

It was a brutal game of football. More waffle from Brian Mc Guigan about wanting Ulster referees. As if it's a different sport. I mean it's laughable that winning an Ulster Chsmpionship means more then a AI. As if it's some form of a better game up North because it has "intensity"

I enjoyed Donegal and Tyrone. But that last Sunday was absolute rubbish and no improvement on a turkey shoot. But it had "intensity". Ulster football loves a hod carrier but it's footballers that win AIs and Down and Derry have about 5 quality players between them . Some players couldn't even score from straight in front of the posts with nobody around them. Others couldn't execute even the most basic of hand passes .

[imtommygunn]

They're teams who are barely top 8 in the country though so you're not going to expect it to be the greatest football game in the world.

While people do jazz it up with talk of intensity there aren't that many teams who go out and play free flowing football all the time - anywhere. Dublin yes. Who else? The only other teams who do that usually get hammered.

I'm not sure what you expect...

[Mikasa]

Two evenly matched decent teams nullified each other shocker.

[screenexile]

They're teams who are barely top 8 in the country though so you're not going to expect it to be the greatest football game in the world.

While people do jazz it up with talk of intensity there aren't that many teams who go out and play free flowing football all the time - anywhere. Dublin yes. Who else? The only other teams who do that usually get hammered.

I'm not sure what you expect...

If you think Dublin will be going all out attack this year you're crazy!!! Not after they got hockeyed last year doing it we got evidence of it when they played us, Tyrone, Monaghan when they regularly had 13 men behind the ball.

The Dubs are probably a better team than Donegal were at the time last year but that doesn't matter a damn when you look at the scoreboard!!

[imtommygunn]

There were a few sma

They're teams who are barely top 8 in the country though so you're not going to expect it to be the greatest football game in the world.

While people do jazz it up with talk of intensity there aren't that many teams who go out and play free flowing football all the time - anywhere. Dublin yes. Who else? The only other teams who do that usually get hammered.

I'm not sure what you expect...

If you think Dublin will be going all out attack this year you're crazy!!! Not after they got hockeyed last year doing it we got evidence of it when they played us, Tyrone, Monaghan when they regularly had 13 men behind the ball.

The Dubs are probably a better team than Donegal were at the time last year but that doesn't matter a damn when you look at the scoreboard!!

I'm not convinced... If they had a CHB who would hold their ground that would be a start.

[JoG2]

Indiana has been scarred by Dublin's last two games with Donegal. First it was Donegal he picked on, then it was Tyrone after he deemed their behaviour inappropriate in the U21 and it's slowly morphed into the whole of ulster lol.  I'm not sure when he'll start on Kerry as he seems to keep his disdain for ulster.

I think it's like an all star exhibition game you want every week Indiana...

No scarring I just look at the roll of honour and tot up the number of all Ireland's won by Ulster counties. You don't need higher level maths as the number isn't too high

It was a brutal game of football. More waffle from Brian Mc Guigan about wanting Ulster referees. As if it's a different sport. I mean it's laughable that winning an Ulster Chsmpionship means more then a AI. As if it's some form of a better game up North because it has "intensity"

I enjoyed Donegal and Tyrone. But that last Sunday was absolute rubbish and no improvement on a turkey shoot. But it had "intensity". Ulster football loves a hod carrier but it's footballers that win AIs and Down and Derry have about 5 quality players between them . Some players couldn't even score from straight in front of the posts with nobody around them. Others couldn't execute even the most basic of hand passes .