RTE are losing the plot.

[NAG1]

Black card would have helped on this ocassion as Tyrone would have been without Cavanagh for the last 20 mins.
Will there be a sanction for an accumulation of blck cards by a given player over a certain period of games?

This is going to some craic when it hits the club games, I can see it being farcical.

[blewuporstuffed]

Black card would have helped on this ocassion as Tyrone would have been without Cavanagh for the last 20 mins.
Will there be a sanction for an accumulation of blck cards by a given player over a certain period of games?

This is going to some craic when it hits the club games, I can see it being farcical.

exactly, the thing about any rule change is that you have to remember it will be across all levels of the game.
I think the black card will cause more issues than it solves at club level

[johnneycool]

Black card would have helped on this ocassion as Tyrone would have been without Cavanagh for the last 20 mins.
Will there be a sanction for an accumulation of blck cards by a given player over a certain period of games?

This is going to some craic when it hits the club games, I can see it being farcical.

exactly, the thing about any rule change is that you have to remember it will be across all levels of the game.
I think the black card will cause more issues than it solves at club level

TBH I think the practicalities of the sin bin at club games ruled it out and the black card was a compromise, it'll still be hard for referees to enforce or control at club level.

I can't see the issue with having a differing set of rules at intercounty level as club level TBH, does club rugby have the sin bin I wonder?

[orangeman]

He didn't kill Cavanagh, he said "forget about Sean Cavanagh as a man" or something like that. He'll get over it.

What does that phrase even mean though?

That's what I was thinking.

Well it obviously implies that regardless of his talent as a footballer Brolly believes he has no integrity. An implication with some merit considering his play acting over the years. Again, he'll get over it.

So "forget about Sean Cavanagh as a man" means "Sean Cavanagh has no integrity". Fair enough.

Brolly is a barrister isn't he ? He'd know a wee bit about integrity then in that profession I reckon.

Brolly's job is to rubbish people and call them liars. He's just taking it to the small screen.


No big deal. It shouldn't be taken seriously.

[Mrs mills]

The black card is a wonderful idea for one simple reason. It will get us all talking late into the night and may even lead to the resurrection of the ceili house in the community. A great move by the GAA to keep us all engaged. Brolly and co. are currently paving the way with the trailer. Coming to a pitch near you in 2014 -BLACK CARD DAWN!

[LCohen]

There is a real problem developing and this year it has really come to the fore. The personal attacks from pundits who have a platform to say whatever they want on tv with their 'victims' unable to answer back.
Brolly on Cavanagh.
Last week, Brolly on the whole of Tyrone.
Brolly on Grimley.
Eamon O'Hara on Kevin Walsh.

That is not punditry. That is abusing your position to attack people.

dont remember the full details of O'Hara/Walsh but of the rest only Brolly on Cavanagh was a personal attack.

What Cavanagh did does reflect badly on his character. Whats wrong with pointing that out???

[tc_manchester]

There is a real problem developing and this year it has really come to the fore. The personal attacks from pundits who have a platform to say whatever they want on tv with their 'victims' unable to answer back.
Brolly on Cavanagh.
Last week, Brolly on the whole of Tyrone.
Brolly on Grimley.
Eamon O'Hara on Kevin Walsh.

That is not punditry. That is abusing your position to attack people.

dont remember the full details of O'Hara/Walsh but of the rest only Brolly on Cavanagh was a personal attack.

What Cavanagh did does reflect badly on his character. Whats wrong with pointing that out???

Actually you could look at it the other way and say that what Sean did he did for the team - he knew that he could have been sent off and I don't think would have complained if he had. If he was selfish and concerned about his reputation he wouldn't have touched him but he did what he had to do to help his team.

[LCohen]

There is a real problem developing and this year it has really come to the fore. The personal attacks from pundits who have a platform to say whatever they want on tv with their 'victims' unable to answer back.
Brolly on Cavanagh.
Last week, Brolly on the whole of Tyrone.
Brolly on Grimley.
Eamon O'Hara on Kevin Walsh.

That is not punditry. That is abusing your position to attack people.

dont remember the full details of O'Hara/Walsh but of the rest only Brolly on Cavanagh was a personal attack.

What Cavanagh did does reflect badly on his character. Whats wrong with pointing that out???

Actually you could look at it the other way and say that what Sean did he did for the team - he knew that he could have been sent off and I don't think would have complained if he had. If he was selfish and concerned about his reputation he wouldn't have touched him but he did what he had to do to help his team.

You don't really believe Joe was accusing Cavanagh of being selfish?

Cheating an opponent and not fulfilling the standards expected by players of each other. Thats the accusation,

[tc_manchester]

There is a real problem developing and this year it has really come to the fore. The personal attacks from pundits who have a platform to say whatever they want on tv with their 'victims' unable to answer back.
Brolly on Cavanagh.
Last week, Brolly on the whole of Tyrone.
Brolly on Grimley.
Eamon O'Hara on Kevin Walsh.

That is not punditry. That is abusing your position to attack people.

dont remember the full details of O'Hara/Walsh but of the rest only Brolly on Cavanagh was a personal attack.

What Cavanagh did does reflect badly on his character. Whats wrong with pointing that out???

Actually you could look at it the other way and say that what Sean did he did for the team - he knew that he could have been sent off and I don't think would have complained if he had. If he was selfish and concerned about his reputation he wouldn't have touched him but he did what he had to do to help his team.

You don't really believe Joe was accusing Cavanagh of being selfish?

Cheating an opponent and not fulfilling the standards expected by players of each other. Thats the accusation,

When asked every other player and pundit (except Joe) has said that they would have done exactly the same. Indeed Joe's two colleagues on RTE on Sat would have admonished any player that wouldn't have done it so he has fulfilled the standards set by players. Joe Brolley wouldn't have done it because he wouldn't have been back in that position but don't tell me Joe had never fallen dramatically and has had his opponent booked. That's cheating an opponent as well

[LCohen]

There is a real problem developing and this year it has really come to the fore. The personal attacks from pundits who have a platform to say whatever they want on tv with their 'victims' unable to answer back.
Brolly on Cavanagh.
Last week, Brolly on the whole of Tyrone.
Brolly on Grimley.
Eamon O'Hara on Kevin Walsh.

That is not punditry. That is abusing your position to attack people.

dont remember the full details of O'Hara/Walsh but of the rest only Brolly on Cavanagh was a personal attack.

What Cavanagh did does reflect badly on his character. Whats wrong with pointing that out???

Actually you could look at it the other way and say that what Sean did he did for the team - he knew that he could have been sent off and I don't think would have complained if he had. If he was selfish and concerned about his reputation he wouldn't have touched him but he did what he had to do to help his team.

You don't really believe Joe was accusing Cavanagh of being selfish?

Cheating an opponent and not fulfilling the standards expected by players of each other. Thats the accusation,

When asked every other player and pundit (except Joe) has said that they would have done exactly the same. Indeed Joe's two colleagues on RTE on Sat would have admonished any player that wouldn't have done it so he has fulfilled the standards set by players. Joe Brolley wouldn't have done it because he wouldn't have been back in that position but don't tell me Joe had never fallen dramatically and has had his opponent booked. That's cheating an opponent as well

They said they would do the same. They didn't say it wasn't cheating. TSG discussion confirmed this.

Fair play for Brolly for manning up and calling it as he saw it. Too many sitting on the holes afraid to offend anybody

[tc_manchester]

There is a real problem developing and this year it has really come to the fore. The personal attacks from pundits who have a platform to say whatever they want on tv with their 'victims' unable to answer back.
Brolly on Cavanagh.
Last week, Brolly on the whole of Tyrone.
Brolly on Grimley.
Eamon O'Hara on Kevin Walsh.

That is not punditry. That is abusing your position to attack people.

dont remember the full details of O'Hara/Walsh but of the rest only Brolly on Cavanagh was a personal attack.

What Cavanagh did does reflect badly on his character. Whats wrong with pointing that out???

Actually you could look at it the other way and say that what Sean did he did for the team - he knew that he could have been sent off and I don't think would have complained if he had. If he was selfish and concerned about his reputation he wouldn't have touched him but he did what he had to do to help his team.

You don't really believe Joe was accusing Cavanagh of being selfish?

Cheating an opponent and not fulfilling the standards expected by players of each other. Thats the accusation,

When asked every other player and pundit (except Joe) has said that they would have done exactly the same. Indeed Joe's two colleagues on RTE on Sat would have admonished any player that wouldn't have done it so he has fulfilled the standards set by players. Joe Brolley wouldn't have done it because he wouldn't have been back in that position but don't tell me Joe had never fallen dramatically and has had his opponent booked. That's cheating an opponent as well

They said they would do the same. They didn't say it wasn't cheating. TSG discussion confirmed this.

Fair play for Brolly for manning up and calling it as he saw it. Too many sitting on the holes afraid to offend anybody

Fair enough  - then they're all cheats. My issue with you was what you said regarding Cavanagh's character. Stamping - hitting a man from the blindside - spitting on another player : When these happens then you can get into the character issue but not for something that every other player would have done.

[CD]

There is a real problem developing and this year it has really come to the fore. The personal attacks from pundits who have a platform to say whatever they want on tv with their 'victims' unable to answer back.
Brolly on Cavanagh.
Last week, Brolly on the whole of Tyrone.
Brolly on Grimley.
Eamon O'Hara on Kevin Walsh.

That is not punditry. That is abusing your position to attack people.

dont remember the full details of O'Hara/Walsh but of the rest only Brolly on Cavanagh was a personal attack.

What Cavanagh did does reflect badly on his character. Whats wrong with pointing that out???

Actually you could look at it the other way and say that what Sean did he did for the team - he knew that he could have been sent off and I don't think would have complained if he had. If he was selfish and concerned about his reputation he wouldn't have touched him but he did what he had to do to help his team.

You don't really believe Joe was accusing Cavanagh of being selfish?

Cheating an opponent and not fulfilling the standards expected by players of each other. Thats the accusation,

When asked every other player and pundit (except Joe) has said that they would have done exactly the same. Indeed Joe's two colleagues on RTE on Sat would have admonished any player that wouldn't have done it so he has fulfilled the standards set by players. Joe Brolley wouldn't have done it because he wouldn't have been back in that position but don't tell me Joe had never fallen dramatically and has had his opponent booked. That's cheating an opponent as well

They said they would do the same. They didn't say it wasn't cheating. TSG discussion confirmed this.

Fair play for Brolly for manning up and calling it as he saw it. Too many sitting on the holes afraid to offend anybody

I don't think anyone, including Tyrone fans, have an issue with the nature of the tackle but this kind of tackle has been part and parcel of our game for decades. The issue is the tone of Joe Brolly's attack. He made it very personal - just like he did on Conor Counihan and Paul Grimley. I was at all 4 games at the weekend and cynical fouling was rife throughout. Players were constantly been prevented from making supporting runs with two hands into the chest area. Peter Harte was late tackled on 6 occasions. Bernard Brogan, who had a poor game all round, drew fouls by 'being cute', and the victim of Sean Cavanagh's rugby tackle conned the referee on at least two occasions by grabbing McCarron's shirt and falling to the ground - Monaghan's first score came from this - McManus laughed in McCarron's face after he scored the resultant free and McCarron was later booked for repetitive fouling . Sean Cavanagh was just a bit more honest - he didn't attempt in any way, shape or form to con the referee.

[brokencrossbar1]

There is a real problem developing and this year it has really come to the fore. The personal attacks from pundits who have a platform to say whatever they want on tv with their 'victims' unable to answer back.
Brolly on Cavanagh.
Last week, Brolly on the whole of Tyrone.
Brolly on Grimley.
Eamon O'Hara on Kevin Walsh.

That is not punditry. That is abusing your position to attack people.

dont remember the full details of O'Hara/Walsh but of the rest only Brolly on Cavanagh was a personal attack.

What Cavanagh did does reflect badly on his character. Whats wrong with pointing that out???

Actually you could look at it the other way and say that what Sean did he did for the team - he knew that he could have been sent off and I don't think would have complained if he had. If he was selfish and concerned about his reputation he wouldn't have touched him but he did what he had to do to help his team.

You don't really believe Joe was accusing Cavanagh of being selfish?

Cheating an opponent and not fulfilling the standards expected by players of each other. Thats the accusation,

When asked every other player and pundit (except Joe) has said that they would have done exactly the same. Indeed Joe's two colleagues on RTE on Sat would have admonished any player that wouldn't have done it so he has fulfilled the standards set by players. Joe Brolley wouldn't have done it because he wouldn't have been back in that position but don't tell me Joe had never fallen dramatically and has had his opponent booked. That's cheating an opponent as well

They said they would do the same. They didn't say it wasn't cheating. TSG discussion confirmed this.

Fair play for Brolly for manning up and calling it as he saw it. Too many sitting on the holes afraid to offend anybody

I don't think anyone, including Tyrone fans, have an issue with the nature of the tackle but this kind of tackle has been part and parcel of our game for decades. The issue is the tone of Joe Brolly's attack. He made it very personal - just like he did on Conor Counihan and Paul Grimley. I was at all 4 games at the weekend and cynical fouling was rife throughout. Players were constantly been prevented from making supporting runs with two hands into the chest area. Peter Harte was late tackled on 6 occasions. Bernard Brogan, who had a poor game all round, drew fouls by 'being cute', and the victim of Sean Cavanagh's rugby tackle conned the referee on at least two occasions by grabbing McCarron's shirt and falling to the ground - Monaghan's first score came from this - McManus laughed in McCarron's face after he scored the resultant free and McCarron was later booked for repetitive fouling . Sean Cavanagh was just a bit more honest - he didn't attempt in any way, shape or form to con the referee.

He didn't con the ref when he grabbed Darren Hughes arm, fell, won a free, Darren Hughes booked, resulting free scored.  He cheated twice in 2 key moments of the game which had potentially a major bearing on the outcome yet you say he didn't attempt in any way to con the ref?  None so blind as those who refuse to see

[LCohen]

There is a real problem developing and this year it has really come to the fore. The personal attacks from pundits who have a platform to say whatever they want on tv with their 'victims' unable to answer back.
Brolly on Cavanagh.
Last week, Brolly on the whole of Tyrone.
Brolly on Grimley.
Eamon O'Hara on Kevin Walsh.

That is not punditry. That is abusing your position to attack people.

dont remember the full details of O'Hara/Walsh but of the rest only Brolly on Cavanagh was a personal attack.

What Cavanagh did does reflect badly on his character. Whats wrong with pointing that out???

Actually you could look at it the other way and say that what Sean did he did for the team - he knew that he could have been sent off and I don't think would have complained if he had. If he was selfish and concerned about his reputation he wouldn't have touched him but he did what he had to do to help his team.

You don't really believe Joe was accusing Cavanagh of being selfish?

Cheating an opponent and not fulfilling the standards expected by players of each other. Thats the accusation,

When asked every other player and pundit (except Joe) has said that they would have done exactly the same. Indeed Joe's two colleagues on RTE on Sat would have admonished any player that wouldn't have done it so he has fulfilled the standards set by players. Joe Brolley wouldn't have done it because he wouldn't have been back in that position but don't tell me Joe had never fallen dramatically and has had his opponent booked. That's cheating an opponent as well

They said they would do the same. They didn't say it wasn't cheating. TSG discussion confirmed this.

Fair play for Brolly for manning up and calling it as he saw it. Too many sitting on the holes afraid to offend anybody

I don't think anyone, including Tyrone fans, have an issue with the nature of the tackle but this kind of tackle has been part and parcel of our game for decades. The issue is the tone of Joe Brolly's attack. He made it very personal - just like he did on Conor Counihan and Paul Grimley. I was at all 4 games at the weekend and cynical fouling was rife throughout. Players were constantly been prevented from making supporting runs with two hands into the chest area. Peter Harte was late tackled on 6 occasions. Bernard Brogan, who had a poor game all round, drew fouls by 'being cute', and the victim of Sean Cavanagh's rugby tackle conned the referee on at least two occasions by grabbing McCarron's shirt and falling to the ground - Monaghan's first score came from this - McManus laughed in McCarron's face after he scored the resultant free and McCarron was later booked for repetitive fouling . Sean Cavanagh was just a bit more honest - he didn't attempt in any way, shape or form to con the referee.

This type of "tackle" has never been more common place in the game. JB described Cavanagh's tackle as the straw that broke the camel's back.

What exactly is wrong with his tone> Ok he gets animated in his physical gestures but what is actually wrong with what he said?

Ofcourse its a personal attack. He is calling the man a cheat. Thats personal. Its also accurate and backed up by tv evidence.

There was no personal attack on Grimley. When did he attack counihan?

Your points on the cynical fouling in across the 4 games is valid. The pundits should stop ignoring it. Name and shame the players. Let Cavanagh be the first of many for as long as the problem continues.

[Wee Roddy]

BC you are one of te most knowledgeable poster on here but surly you would not call pulling a mans arm in order to win a free as "cheating". Would deliberately softening someone up with a good shoulder in the chest or a rib tickler that wasn't within the rules be called cheating as well, because if this was the case then perhaps you were guilty on occasions yourself??