Time for Joe to go??

[nrico2006]

People seem to think Darren Hughes is superman or something and that a yellow card basically was the reason why Sean Cavanagh shone so well on Saturday against him.  There was nothing Hughes would have been able to do differently had he not been on a yellow card.  The Gormley and Penrose incidents were very inconclusive from the TV replays, with Mone as likely to have been struck with his own hand than Gormleys and Penrose looked like he pushed high in the chest with the one hand as opposed to punching a man.  The referee would have looked a tube if Penrose had been substituted at half time. 

Nonsense Darren Hughes is a superb footballer and more than capable of limiting Cavanaghs influence.

And do people really think that a yellow card was the reason he couldn't?  A bit of over credit on Hughes.  Better players than Hughes haven't been able to contain Cavanagh when he is on form.

[brokencrossbar1]

People seem to think Darren Hughes is superman or something and that a yellow card basically was the reason why Sean Cavanagh shone so well on Saturday against him.  There was nothing Hughes would have been able to do differently had he not been on a yellow card.  The Gormley and Penrose incidents were very inconclusive from the TV replays, with Mone as likely to have been struck with his own hand than Gormleys and Penrose looked like he pushed high in the chest with the one hand as opposed to punching a man.  The referee would have looked a tube if Penrose had been substituted at half time.

Once Darren got the red card he was walking a very tight rope, he wasn't able to go full blooded in the tackle.  Secondly, as the yellow card was unjustified he no doubt was rattled for the next few minutes.  Cavanagh hit the next score within a minute and Darren lost him for the next 5 minutes.  The dynamic of the next 5 minutes were set by that incident.  Instead of having a free out and control of possession Monaghan found themselves having another point against the lead they had built and having to kick the ball out to a Tyrone team rising in confidence.  It changed the way the game was going.

[EC Unique]

People seem to think Darren Hughes is superman or something and that a yellow card basically was the reason why Sean Cavanagh shone so well on Saturday against him.  There was nothing Hughes would have been able to do differently had he not been on a yellow card.  The Gormley and Penrose incidents were very inconclusive from the TV replays, with Mone as likely to have been struck with his own hand than Gormleys and Penrose looked like he pushed high in the chest with the one hand as opposed to punching a man.  The referee would have looked a tube if Penrose had been substituted at half time.

Not sure about the rules but I'm sure by subbing him Tyrone would not get away with it. The ref can still issue the red and Tyrone would have to play with 14. You can say what you like about Hughes first yellow but the fact is he got it and was foolish with the tackle that got him the second yellow. It actually could have been a straight red!

[J OGorman]

He just defeneded himself on BBC radio there.

Which station / programme Dennis? thanks

[Mrs mills]

The black card is a wonderful idea for one simple reason. It will get us all talking late into the night and may even lead to the resurrection of the ceili house in the community. A great move by the GAA to keep us all engaged. Brolly and co. are currently paving the way with the trailer. Coming to a pitch near you in 2014 -BLACK CARD DAWN!

[Walter Cronc]

People seem to think Darren Hughes is superman or something and that a yellow card basically was the reason why Sean Cavanagh shone so well on Saturday against him.  There was nothing Hughes would have been able to do differently had he not been on a yellow card.  The Gormley and Penrose incidents were very inconclusive from the TV replays, with Mone as likely to have been struck with his own hand than Gormleys and Penrose looked like he pushed high in the chest with the one hand as opposed to punching a man.  The referee would have looked a tube if Penrose had been substituted at half time. 

Nonsense Darren Hughes is a superb footballer and more than capable of limiting Cavanaghs influence.

And do people really think that a yellow card was the reason he couldn't?  A bit of over credit on Hughes.  Better players than Hughes haven't been able to contain Cavanagh when he is on form.

I'm not saying he would have totally curtailed Cavanagh but the fact Hughes went off him and Clerkin took over the task played a major factor in his influence.

[Throw ball]

People seem to think Darren Hughes is superman or something and that a yellow card basically was the reason why Sean Cavanagh shone so well on Saturday against him.  There was nothing Hughes would have been able to do differently had he not been on a yellow card.  The Gormley and Penrose incidents were very inconclusive from the TV replays, with Mone as likely to have been struck with his own hand than Gormleys and Penrose looked like he pushed high in the chest with the one hand as opposed to punching a man.  The referee would have looked a tube if Penrose had been substituted at half time.

Not sure about the rules but I'm sure by subbing him Tyrone would not get away with it. The ref can still issue the red and Tyrone would have to play with 14. You can say what you like about Hughes first yellow but the fact is he got it and was foolish with the tackle that got him the second yellow. It actually could have been a straight red!

I assume you are getting the two Hughes mixed up there as it was Kieran who got sent off. His first yellow was 'earned' by Gormley and although he deserved the second to suggest it deserved a straight red is just plain daft. It was a genuine, if careless, attempt to win the ball and a yellow card was the correct call.

[LCohen]

RTE, cannot let this continue. Granted , people will watch him, just too see shite like today's rant. However , indiscriminate attacks on amateur players, who burst there asses on a nightly basis, has no place in the GAA, or on national TV. ZERO analysis of the actual game? He clearly has his own agenda, and as of today should be removed from his role as a pundit

Complete rubbish.

It was not indiscriminate. He attacked Cavanagh based on the footage we all saw. Instead of attacking JB what about the other pundits who sit on their holes week after week ignoring whats happening before their eyes.

Cavanagh cheated. He accepted the punishment that the game permits.

Whats wrong with the pundits calling cheats and cynics exactly what they are?

[orangeman]

People seem to think Darren Hughes is superman or something and that a yellow card basically was the reason why Sean Cavanagh shone so well on Saturday against him.  There was nothing Hughes would have been able to do differently had he not been on a yellow card.  The Gormley and Penrose incidents were very inconclusive from the TV replays, with Mone as likely to have been struck with his own hand than Gormleys and Penrose looked like he pushed high in the chest with the one hand as opposed to punching a man.  The referee would have looked a tube if Penrose had been substituted at half time.

2 points -

1. Aidan O'Sé got booked earlier than Darren did against Donegal and went on to be MOM. To argue that the Darren Hughe's booking was a game changer is nonsense in my view.

2. Penrose could not have been subbed at half time - the referee would not have permitted the sub.

[orangeman]

Joe Brolly used to love Tyrone.


But time has moved on and Tyrone haven't been winners for a while. Joe has fallen out of love with Tyrone.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWVLXxrttHo

[brokencrossbar1]

People seem to think Darren Hughes is superman or something and that a yellow card basically was the reason why Sean Cavanagh shone so well on Saturday against him.  There was nothing Hughes would have been able to do differently had he not been on a yellow card.  The Gormley and Penrose incidents were very inconclusive from the TV replays, with Mone as likely to have been struck with his own hand than Gormleys and Penrose looked like he pushed high in the chest with the one hand as opposed to punching a man.  The referee would have looked a tube if Penrose had been substituted at half time.

2 points -

1. Aidan O'Sé got booked earlier than Darren did against Donegal and went on to be MOM. To argue that the Darren Hughe's booking was a game changer is nonsense in my view.

2. Penrose could not have been subbed at half time - the referee would not have permitted the sub.

Orangeman, AOS wasn't marking one of the best players in the country and he had no one marking him.  He played very well in open spaces against a team that were a busted flush. 

[Cold tea]

Joe Brolly used to love Tyrone.


But time has moved on and Tyrone haven't been winners for a while. Joe has fallen out of love with Tyrone.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWVLXxrttHo

More he loved winding Spillane up, thank loving Tyrone.

[orangeman]

People seem to think Darren Hughes is superman or something and that a yellow card basically was the reason why Sean Cavanagh shone so well on Saturday against him.  There was nothing Hughes would have been able to do differently had he not been on a yellow card.  The Gormley and Penrose incidents were very inconclusive from the TV replays, with Mone as likely to have been struck with his own hand than Gormleys and Penrose looked like he pushed high in the chest with the one hand as opposed to punching a man.  The referee would have looked a tube if Penrose had been substituted at half time.

2 points -

1. Aidan O'Sé got booked earlier than Darren did against Donegal and went on to be MOM. To argue that the Darren Hughe's booking was a game changer is nonsense in my view.

2. Penrose could not have been subbed at half time - the referee would not have permitted the sub.

Orangeman, AOS wasn't marking one of the best players in the country and he had no one marking him.  He played very well in open spaces against a team that were a busted flush.

The same open space that Tyrone and Monaghan played in on Saturday night ?.

[brokencrossbar1]

People seem to think Darren Hughes is superman or something and that a yellow card basically was the reason why Sean Cavanagh shone so well on Saturday against him.  There was nothing Hughes would have been able to do differently had he not been on a yellow card.  The Gormley and Penrose incidents were very inconclusive from the TV replays, with Mone as likely to have been struck with his own hand than Gormleys and Penrose looked like he pushed high in the chest with the one hand as opposed to punching a man.  The referee would have looked a tube if Penrose had been substituted at half time.

2 points -

1. Aidan O'Sé got booked earlier than Darren did against Donegal and went on to be MOM. To argue that the Darren Hughe's booking was a game changer is nonsense in my view.

2. Penrose could not have been subbed at half time - the referee would not have permitted the sub.

Orangeman, AOS wasn't marking one of the best players in the country and he had no one marking him.  He played very well in open spaces against a team that were a busted flush.

The same open space that Tyrone and Monaghan played in on Saturday night ?.

There was no pressure on AOS, the game was over after 10 minutes and Donegal were going through the motions.  There was very little space available to any players on Saturday evening. Every ball was a battle and the game literally was in the balance until the very end.  The stakes may have been the same but the game play was completely different.  AOS could afford to not go into the tackles as they were not required to be made.  Darren Hughes would have been more forceful in his play if he hadn't been on a yellow, also the mental impact of receiving a yellow card erroneously which also coincided with the opposition making a comeback was a major factor.

[orangeman]

He just defeneded himself on BBC radio there.

Which station / programme Dennis? thanks

Joe Brolly defends Tyrone tactic outburst Joe Brolly has called for a change in gaelic games rules


TV commentator Joe Brolly has defended a passionate on-air outburst about the tactics of Tyrone in an All-Ireland Gaelic Football quarter final.

He told BBC Northern Ireland's Talkback that it was justified.

He said the rules of gaelic games need to change to put an end to "cynical fouling".

His angry analysis of Tyrone's narrow win over Monaghan became an internet sensation.

He called a rugby-style tackle on a Monaghan player going for goal "a disgrace".

Tyrone player Sean Cavanagh brought down Conor McManus just as it looked like the Monaghan man might score.

But Brolly was furious even though what Cavanagh did in Dublin's Croke Park is allowed in GAA rules.

"It is absolutely disgraceful. They have achieved something absolutely rotten," he said on RTE television's post-match analysis.

His angry tirade became an internet sensation and tens of thousands watched it on YouTube.

"It is the antithesis of what gaelic games are about," he railed.

"You are supposed to be able to look your opponent in the face. What do we teach kids? Respect for yourself, respect for your opponent. I take an under-12 team. If any of them did that they wouldn't play for the team again.

"I'll not be standing up for that."


Speaking on Talkback on Monday, Brolly said he had been very angry and felt very strongly about how "cynical fouling" was becoming "a template for the game" for young people.

"Sean Cavanagh was the straw that broke the camel's back. We need to stop this, we are the only sport in the world that tolerates cynical fouling," he said.

"He is probably the best footballer of the modern generation, but this is poisoning the game... To be fair, he gave a post-match interview where he said: 'I don't like this... but we are just exploiting the system as it stands.'"

Brolly condemned what he called the "win-at-all-costs" mentality. He said clearly Tyrone supporters would not agree, but he felt strongly.

"It is beginning to poison the ethos of the game," he said.

But, he pointed out that, given the response to what happened at the match, the GAA rule makers now had "the wind at their backs" and were in a position to change the rules.