Are the new dubs the old Armagh?

[rrhf]

Debate sprung up in the pub over a few pints the other night.  One client was comparing the Dubs All Ireland win to a "pop up shop" and claimed there would be no prospect of them lasting v long as all ireland champions.  Another chirped in and claimed that Armagh 2002 were the exact same, a team that popped up to win an all ireland with a mammoth second half against Kerry but who seized their moment and were unable to build on it and eventually sadly died away.  Both teams had undoubtedly put in huge years of work to get there but faded away soon after as the status quo returned to power.   Is the term "pop up shop" not too harsh to describe Armaghs win and surely too soon to describe the Dubs achievements?  Do these two teams not deserve great credit for winning the ultimate prize regardless of the state of their youth teams?   

[ONeill]

There are some similarities. Before each win, both sides were knocking on the door and it was no great surprise when they eventually got their hands on Sam. With Armagh, they were just unlucky that at the height of their powers they had Tyrone and Kerry to contend with who were slightly better sides. Armagh could easily have won the '02, '03 and '05 AIs. Dublin might get that rub of the green and add another Sam. I don't see any other great team knocking about who they'd fear meeting. At the same time, this is no great Dublin team (yet).

Cork might have been the new Armagh. Or are Dublin the new Cork? Are Kerry the new England?

[BennyCake]

Debate sprung up in the pub over a few pints the other night.  One client was comparing the Dubs All Ireland win to a "pop up shop" and claimed there would be no prospect of them lasting v long as all ireland champions.  Another chirped in and claimed that Armagh 2002 were the exact same, a team that popped up to win an all ireland with a mammoth second half against Kerry but who seized their moment and were unable to build on it and eventually sadly died away.  Both teams had undoubtedly put in huge years of work to get there but faded away soon after as the status quo returned to power.   Is the term "pop up shop" not too harsh to describe Armaghs win and surely too soon to describe the Dubs achievements?  Do these two teams not deserve great credit for winning the ultimate prize regardless of the state of their youth teams?   

We haven't gone away, ya know