Rangers FC to go into administration

[illdecide]

It's gas, Rangers are 5 (out of 12) games away from Automatic promotion. And they are already are in a definite promotion playoff place with 12 games to go! Why does a club need to win a league so emphatically. Realistically this league probably needs a lesser player on lesser wages that would be lesser cost to the club? I know such a 'Big' club needs to be back in the top tier of it's Domestic game as soon as it can, but they are going to be back financially where they started when they get there.

I disagree.  For Rangers to get back where they belong they need to buy at least 10 more top-dollar ageing players with a enticement that their current club wages are guaranteed forever.  As a big club they shouldn't worry about small things like current revenue, just put the purchase price on the long finger.  For heaves sake they've millions of supporters in Scotland and OWC!  How can they fail as the chosen people?

I had to highlight them words there and as RedHand there pointed out they are a new club (2 year old) and they don't deserve anything. As long as they continue to lose over £1million a month that is just not sustainable and if it's not sorted quickly we will be looking at a Rangers no3 branch

[gallsman]

It's gas, Rangers are 5 (out of 12) games away from Automatic promotion. And they are already are in a definite promotion playoff place with 12 games to go! Why does a club need to win a league so emphatically. Realistically this league probably needs a lesser player on lesser wages that would be lesser cost to the club? I know such a 'Big' club needs to be back in the top tier of it's Domestic game as soon as it can, but they are going to be back financially where they started when they get there.

I disagree.  For Rangers to get back where they belong they need to buy at least 10 more top-dollar ageing players with a enticement that their current club wages are guaranteed forever.  As a big club they shouldn't worry about small things like current revenue, just put the purchase price on the long finger.  For heaves sake they've millions of supporters in Scotland and OWC!  How can they fail as the chosen people?

I had to highlight them words there and as RedHand there pointed out they are a new club (2 year old) and they don't deserve anything. As long as they continue to lose over £1million a month that is just not sustainable and if it's not sorted quickly we will be looking at a Rangers no3 branch

What a wonderful example of how to fail to understand irony.

[illdecide]

Yeah Yeah to quick of the mark...

[From the Bunker]

It's gas, Rangers are 5 (out of 12) games away from Automatic promotion. And they are already are in a definite promotion playoff place with 12 games to go! Why does a club need to win a league so emphatically. Realistically this league probably needs a lesser player on lesser wages that would be lesser cost to the club? I know such a 'Big' club needs to be back in the top tier of it's Domestic game as soon as it can, but they are going to be back financially where they started when they get there.

I disagree.  For Rangers to get back where they belong they need to buy at least 10 more top-dollar ageing players with a enticement that their current club wages are guaranteed forever.  As a big club they shouldn't worry about small things like current revenue, just put the purchase price on the long finger.  For heaves sake they've millions of supporters in Scotland and OWC!  How can they fail as the chosen people?

Nah, growth needs to be incremental? Taylor your costs to needs. Over spending to get promoted from the league they are in is madness. As the Club grows the players will come, but throwing money at the present league shows the club has not learned it lessons! Celtic wait to open the purse strings after qualification for the group stages of the Champions League. No qualification - no big purchases. Otherwise it is a waste of money in a league they have sown up!

[tyroneman]

.  Celtic wait to open the purse strings after qualification for the group stages of the Champions League. No qualification - no big purchases. Otherwise it is a waste of money in a league they have sown up!       

Even when they do qualify the money on individual players remains (relatively) small. Celtic go broad and cheap rather than buy 1 or 2 of proven quality, such is the nature of what is now a selling club.

The 'find' of a Wanyama, Commons, van Dijk or Forster is always put forward to gloss over the waste of money on players like Balde (Amido), Pukki, Boerrigter, Biton and Bangura.

It's a disgrace that in a 1 horse race there are few homegrown young players getting a regular chance in this team (beyond Forrest and to a lesser extent Fisher)

What is also particularly annoying is that when the biscuit tin comes out there is a marked reluctance to (for example) combine the Pukki and Balde (15 goals in 64 games between them the season before joining Celtic ) money to buy someone with a proven goal scoring record (eg Finnbogason 28 in 35  last year and currently 23 from 23 )

[Main Street]

.  Celtic wait to open the purse strings after qualification for the group stages of the Champions League. No qualification - no big purchases. Otherwise it is a waste of money in a league they have sown up!       

Even when they do qualify the money on individual players remains (relatively) small. Celtic go broad and cheap rather than buy 1 or 2 of proven quality, such is the nature of what is now a selling club.

The 'find' of a Wanyama, Commons, van Dijk or Forster is always put forward to gloss over the waste of money on players like Balde (Amido), Pukki, Boerrigter, Biton and Bangura.

It's a disgrace that in a 1 horse race there are few homegrown young players getting a regular chance in this team (beyond Forrest and to a lesser extent Fisher)

What is also particularly annoying is that when the biscuit tin comes out there is a marked reluctance to (for example) combine the Pukki and Balde (15 goals in 64 games between them the season before joining Celtic ) money to buy someone with a proven goal scoring record (eg Finnbogason 28 in 35  last year and currently 23 from 23 )

Why would Finnbogason want to join Celtic?  That would be less than a sideways move for him. The Eredivisie is a better standard than the SPL. He's likely to move to the Bundesliga or the EPL and is valued at about Eur 10m.
Van Dijk had not got many suitors, Celtic could take a Eur3m gamble on him and it just happened to work out.

Biton looks a good signing, so also Griffiths and Johansen.
Despite the dross, Lennon scores 7.5/10 on the signings.

[muppet]

How can a club get back to where they belong when they have never played in the top tier. The current  club that plays at Ibrox is a new club. The previous club that played at Ibrox was liquidated.

So basically they are no different to a US franchise team.

By the way, what is the official name Rangers go by now? 'I can't believe it's not Rangers', 'Rangers Light' or what?

How about St. Rangers?

[tyroneman]

.  Celtic wait to open the purse strings after qualification for the group stages of the Champions League. No qualification - no big purchases. Otherwise it is a waste of money in a league they have sown up!       

Even when they do qualify the money on individual players remains (relatively) small. Celtic go broad and cheap rather than buy 1 or 2 of proven quality, such is the nature of what is now a selling club.

The 'find' of a Wanyama, Commons, van Dijk or Forster is always put forward to gloss over the waste of money on players like Balde (Amido), Pukki, Boerrigter, Biton and Bangura.

It's a disgrace that in a 1 horse race there are few homegrown young players getting a regular chance in this team (beyond Forrest and to a lesser extent Fisher)

What is also particularly annoying is that when the biscuit tin comes out there is a marked reluctance to (for example) combine the Pukki and Balde (15 goals in 64 games between them the season before joining Celtic ) money to buy someone with a proven goal scoring record (eg Finnbogason 28 in 35  last year and currently 23 from 23 )

Why would Finnbogason want to join Celtic?  That would be less than a sideways move for him. The Eredivisie is a better standard than the SPL. He's likely to move to the Bundesliga or the EPL and is valued at about Eur 10m.
Van Dijk had not got many suitors, Celtic could take a Eur3m gamble on him and it just happened to work out.

Biton looks a good signing, so also Griffiths and Johansen.
Despite the dross, Lennon scores 7.5/10 on the signings.

Why would Finnbogason want to join Celtic..ummm  CL football?

Last year he was available for £4.5-5mill, easily in reach.

Griffiths and Johansen have played 9 games in all competitions between them. Bit early to judge.

What objective measure demonstrates the EV is 'better' than the SPL in the past 10 years? Maybe more competitive if that's what you mean.

[Main Street]

.  Celtic wait to open the purse strings after qualification for the group stages of the Champions League. No qualification - no big purchases. Otherwise it is a waste of money in a league they have sown up!       

Even when they do qualify the money on individual players remains (relatively) small. Celtic go broad and cheap rather than buy 1 or 2 of proven quality, such is the nature of what is now a selling club.

The 'find' of a Wanyama, Commons, van Dijk or Forster is always put forward to gloss over the waste of money on players like Balde (Amido), Pukki, Boerrigter, Biton and Bangura.

It's a disgrace that in a 1 horse race there are few homegrown young players getting a regular chance in this team (beyond Forrest and to a lesser extent Fisher)

What is also particularly annoying is that when the biscuit tin comes out there is a marked reluctance to (for example) combine the Pukki and Balde (15 goals in 64 games between them the season before joining Celtic ) money to buy someone with a proven goal scoring record (eg Finnbogason 28 in 35  last year and currently 23 from 23 )

Why would Finnbogason want to join Celtic?  That would be less than a sideways move for him. The Eredivisie is a better standard than the SPL. He's likely to move to the Bundesliga or the EPL and is valued at about Eur 10m.
Van Dijk had not got many suitors, Celtic could take a Eur3m gamble on him and it just happened to work out.

Biton looks a good signing, so also Griffiths and Johansen.
Despite the dross, Lennon scores 7.5/10 on the signings.

Why would Finnbogason want to join Celtic..ummm  CL football?

Last year he was available for £4.5-5mill, easily in reach.

Griffiths and Johansen have played 9 games in all competitions between them. Bit early to judge.

What objective measure demonstrates the EV is 'better' than the SPL in the past 10 years? Maybe more competitive if that's what you mean.

That was paper talk about Finnbogason's low value. There are 2 aspects, club's transfer value and player's ambitions, Celtic did not satisfy either.
CL football on its own is not enough, the good players want to be playing in a more competitive, high profile  leagues and more money of course. Wanyama, Hooper, Ledley moved away from Celtic to clubs which have little or no chance of CL football. The SPL generates similar tv money to a Scandanavian league. The Eredivisie is stronger now and will remain stronger than the SPL. Which league was stronger 10 years ago has no relevance now. The EV is ranked 8th in European leagues, the SPL is ranked 23rd  and most of the SPL ranking points come from Celtic. Strength in depth is the obvious advantage over the EPL. Take Celtic and Ajax out of the equation and compare what's left.  Much of the Netherlands' squad plays there, the back 4 in the starting team play there.  Finnbogason will most likely move to EPL, BL or Serie A. He has been on the radar of  clubs around Europe for 3 years  since the Euro u21 finals in 2011,  Celtic could have spotted  him in the 2011 qualifiers when Iceland trashed NI  and made an offer. They could have possibly gambled on signing him as a promising star after the 2011 u21 Euro finals for £1m and held onto him for 2 seasons. But that would be the type of speculative transfer policy you object to.
Ideally I agree, get a good player instead of 3 which turn out be dross, but you need a crystal ball.

[T Fearon]

Fact is Celtic have money to spend,but find it hard to attract the right kind of player.The club will not spend big money on a player in his late twenties and in a situation where the tv money doesn't compare with the bigger leagues,and you can't charge £90 or £100 quid admission like Arsenal or Chelsea, the club's survival strategy is buy cheap and young,develop and sell at a significant profit.

The real shame is that a lot of promising young players are expertly developed by the club,but never get a chance in the first team.

[Main Street]

Overall not bad by Lennon, but you'd want a better fist made of it in the CL group stages.

From Summer  2010 -  june 2014     profits on transfers £21m
wage bill about £31m p/a

Team players
Commons 300.000  Stokes 1.275,000  Forster 2.800,000  Izzaguire  650.000  Kayal 1.600.000  Matthews 200,000 Mulgrew  Free   Ambrose ?  Lustig free    Van Dijk 2,650,000

New kids doing good
Biton 720,000  Johansen 2.100,000  Griffiths 1,000,000

Very tame so far
Pukki 2.200,000  Boerrigter 2,2000,000  Balde  1,540,000   Rogic 420,000  out on loan

Total waste
Bangura 1.936,000

Moved on
Murphy 1.500,000   sold free   Hooper 2.500.000   sold 5.5m  Ledley free        went cheap
Cha  free   Wanyama 920,000  sold12.7m   K Wilson  free   sold 2.5m  Majstorovic  free    Juarez free

[T Fearon]

Thought Pukki took his goal very well yesterday, and hopefully it will give him confidence to push on

[Main Street]

Thought Pukki took his goal very well yesterday, and hopefully it will give him confidence to push on

If he can score another then he'll push on, to the new kid doing good section.

[From the Bunker]

I guess talk of the plastic treble are over.........

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2598235/Raith-Rovers-1-0-Rangers-match-report-Bairds-extra-time-goal-gives-minnows-Ramsdens-Cup-win.html

[deiseach]

They'll be dancing in the streets of Raith tonight.