Seanie Johnston Switch and outside managers

[rodney trotter]

It would be up to Seanie to prove himself at Club level. If players aren't happy to have him back  on the panel then there is no point talking about it. The Club transfer hasn't gone through yet.

Brilliant player on his day, had a couple of good performances in the League for Kildare against Kerry, Cork and Mayo. The rest were below par by all accounts, and he didn't start 1 championship game for Kildare out of the 8 games over the 2 seasons.

[Itchy]

Word is he wants the Gaels to apologise to him. If that is his attitude after all that's happened then reconciliation with Cavan players, management and fans has no chance.

[inexile]

Word is he wants the Gaels to apologise to him. If that is his attitude after all that's happened then reconciliation with Cavan players, management and fans has no chance.

If that's his attitude, then I cant see his return, or should I say attempted return being successful.
He has to understand that he upset a lot of Cavan Gael supporters
It takes a man to admit he was wrong and apologise accordingly. He cant move on if he holds a grudge

[Itchy]

There was a bad vibe in that camp and it wasn't only Johnston but some others changed there ways. There was also a problem with Cavan Gaels lads in general but the young Gaels seem as commuted as anyone. I'd hate to risk it all for the sake of 1 player, and one whose best days are behind. It should be said to that Johnson hasn't said a word about trying to play for Cavan, maybe he doesn't want to either.

[anglocelt39]

From what I'm hearing there is no way back, too many players against it.

Looks like our most likely all star cian mackey wants him back at any rate. Mackey has had a fair bit of face time with the media this season so who knows what to make of his very highly reported comments. The huge obstacle to him coming back is is attitude and what it would say to other members of the panel who've put the work in over the past 12 months. Some people are questioning whether he has enough ability for the panel I think we need a small reality check on that one Our full forward line had its issues on Sunday

[rodney trotter]

From what I'm hearing there is no way back, too many players against it.

Looks like our most likely all star cian mackey wants him back at any rate. Mackey has had a fair bit of face time with the media this season so who knows what to make of his very highly reported comments. The huge obstacle to him coming back is is attitude and what it would say to other members of the panel who've put the work in over the past 12 months. Some people are questioning whether he has enough ability for the panel I think we need a small reality check on that one Our full forward line had its issues on Sunday

Cian was one of the 6 dropped when Seanie was dropped, so hardly a surprise in Fairness that he would want him back. If the players who played against Seanie last year in Breffni were willing to have him back then there should be no problem. (Hard to see it)Providing he is playing well at Club level, and is willing to work for the team he has a chance.

[tommysmith]

From what I'm hearing there is no way back, too many players against it.

Looks like our most likely all star cian mackey wants him back at any rate. Mackey has had a fair bit of face time with the media this season so who knows what to make of his very highly reported comments. The huge obstacle to him coming back is is attitude and what it would say to other members of the panel who've put the work in over the past 12 months. Some people are questioning whether he has enough ability for the panel I think we need a small reality check on that one Our full forward line had its issues on Sunday

Cian was one of the 6 dropped when Seanie was dropped, so hardly a surprise in Fairness that he would want him back. If the players who played against Seanie last year in Breffni were willing to have him back then there should be no problem. (Hard to see it)Providing he is playing well at Club level, and is willing to work for the team he has a chance.

In fairness to Mackey and Hyland neither of them or anyone connected with the Cavan Panel who is asked is gong to say no we don't want him back.   As i said before he is not is the age range that Hyland is looking at, he more or less retired James Reilly this year and Mickey Brennnan last year(I know it was time for both to go anyway). 

Mark McKeever didn't really get a look in the championship despite been one of the best players in the league, i have never seen him play better football and he is the same age as Johnston.

The Anglo Celt did a poll ( the newspaper not the poster from here) and it was clear from that what the Cavan Public think of him.

He may not even come back to the Gaels his head is that stuck up his own ass looking for an apology from them, he should be let stay with St Kevins and play there if he wants. 

[rodney trotter]

From what I'm hearing there is no way back, too many players against it.

Looks like our most likely all star cian mackey wants him back at any rate. Mackey has had a fair bit of face time with the media this season so who knows what to make of his very highly reported comments. The huge obstacle to him coming back is is attitude and what it would say to other members of the panel who've put the work in over the past 12 months. Some people are questioning whether he has enough ability for the panel I think we need a small reality check on that one Our full forward line had its issues on Sunday

Cian was one of the 6 dropped when Seanie was dropped, so hardly a surprise in Fairness that he would want him back. If the players who played against Seanie last year in Breffni were willing to have him back then there should be no problem. (Hard to see it)Providing he is playing well at Club level, and is willing to work for the team he has a chance.

In fairness to Mackey and Hyland neither of them or anyone connected with the Cavan Panel who is asked is gong to say no we don't want him back.   As i said before he is not is the age range that Hyland is looking at, he more or less retired James Reilly this year and Mickey Brennnan last year(I know it was time for both to go anyway). 

Mark McKeever didn't really get a look in the championship despite been one of the best players in the league, i have never seen him play better football and he is the same age as Johnston.

The Anglo Celt did a poll ( the newspaper not the poster from here) and it was clear from that what the Cavan Public think of him.

He may not even come back to the Gaels his head is that stuck up his own ass looking for an apology from them, he should be let stay with St Kevins and play there if he wants.

James Reilly made it any easy decision for him not to be selected by missing trainings and not attending a bonding session in Athlone before the Championship. McKeever went to New York for a wedding and then lost his place in the team, he was also carrying a knock before the championship.
It wasn't to do with his age.

[tommysmith]

From what I'm hearing there is no way back, too many players against it.

Looks like our most likely all star cian mackey wants him back at any rate. Mackey has had a fair bit of face time with the media this season so who knows what to make of his very highly reported comments. The huge obstacle to him coming back is is attitude and what it would say to other members of the panel who've put the work in over the past 12 months. Some people are questioning whether he has enough ability for the panel I think we need a small reality check on that one Our full forward line had its issues on Sunday

Cian was one of the 6 dropped when Seanie was dropped, so hardly a surprise in Fairness that he would want him back. If the players who played against Seanie last year in Breffni were willing to have him back then there should be no problem. (Hard to see it)Providing he is playing well at Club level, and is willing to work for the team he has a chance.

In fairness to Mackey and Hyland neither of them or anyone connected with the Cavan Panel who is asked is gong to say no we don't want him back.   As i said before he is not is the age range that Hyland is looking at, he more or less retired James Reilly this year and Mickey Brennnan last year(I know it was time for both to go anyway). 

Mark McKeever didn't really get a look in the championship despite been one of the best players in the league, i have never seen him play better football and he is the same age as Johnston.

The Anglo Celt did a poll ( the newspaper not the poster from here) and it was clear from that what the Cavan Public think of him.

He may not even come back to the Gaels his head is that stuck up his own ass looking for an apology from them, he should be let stay with St Kevins and play there if he wants.

James Reilly made it any easy decision for him not to be selected by missing trainings and not attending a bonding session in Athlone before the Championship. McKeever went to New York for a wedding and then lost his place in the team, he was also carrying a knock before the championship.
It wasn't to do with his age.

Well if you want to talk about missing training Gilsenan went on a bender to Vegas for 10 days after the Armagh game and also misses training sessions regular enough.  So i would think it has alot to do with age.

[Lar Naparka]

From what I'm hearing there is no way back, too many players against it.

Looks like our most likely all star cian mackey wants him back at any rate. Mackey has had a fair bit of face time with the media this season so who knows what to make of his very highly reported comments. The huge obstacle to him coming back is is attitude and what it would say to other members of the panel who've put the work in over the past 12 months. Some people are questioning whether he has enough ability for the panel I think we need a small reality check on that one Our full forward line had its issues on Sunday

Cian was one of the 6 dropped when Seanie was dropped, so hardly a surprise in Fairness that he would want him back. If the players who played against Seanie last year in Breffni were willing to have him back then there should be no problem. (Hard to see it)Providing he is playing well at Club level, and is willing to work for the team he has a chance.

In fairness to Mackey and Hyland neither of them or anyone connected with the Cavan Panel who is asked is gong to say no we don't want him back.   As i said before he is not is the age range that Hyland is looking at, he more or less retired James Reilly this year and Mickey Brennnan last year(I know it was time for both to go anyway). 

Mark McKeever didn't really get a look in the championship despite been one of the best players in the league, i have never seen him play better football and he is the same age as Johnston.

The Anglo Celt did a poll ( the newspaper not the poster from here) and it was clear from that what the Cavan Public think of him.

He may not even come back to the Gaels his head is that stuck up his own ass looking for an apology from them, he should be let stay with St Kevins and play there if he wants.

Do you know the reason why he is looking for an apology from them?
If Seanie was a Mayo player, I'd probably be very thick about it if he shagged off to Kildare or any other county. The way Kildare flouted the rules to let him play for McGeeney was a bloody disgrace no matter what ones thinks of Seanie and his reasons for deserting to them.
But, while the way he was able to move would be unacceptable to me under any circumstances, I don't know what his reasons for leaving the Cavan panel were.
At face value, it seems he just wouldn't get on with the manager and/or the rest of the squad- his track record of dissent is there for the record and goes back a long time.

But if he was a Mayo player and the likes of, say, Aidan O'Shea or Andy Moran came out and said he should be allowed back onto the panel again, I'd really want to know the reason for his departure in the first place.
There must be two sides to this particular story and the public is only getting one of them.
Same goes for his demand for an apology from the Gaels; seems a most unusual move to me.
Anyone got an idea why he's laying down his conditions before he's consider returning?

[tommysmith]

Do you know the reason why he is looking for an apology from them?

I do.

He wanted them to spend 10k to bring gaa to court so he would not have to leave them to play with Kildare.

[INDIANA]

From what I'm hearing there is no way back, too many players against it.

Looks like our most likely all star cian mackey wants him back at any rate. Mackey has had a fair bit of face time with the media this season so who knows what to make of his very highly reported comments. The huge obstacle to him coming back is is attitude and what it would say to other members of the panel who've put the work in over the past 12 months. Some people are questioning whether he has enough ability for the panel I think we need a small reality check on that one Our full forward line had its issues on Sunday

Cian was one of the 6 dropped when Seanie was dropped, so hardly a surprise in Fairness that he would want him back. If the players who played against Seanie last year in Breffni were willing to have him back then there should be no problem. (Hard to see it)Providing he is playing well at Club level, and is willing to work for the team he has a chance.

In fairness to Mackey and Hyland neither of them or anyone connected with the Cavan Panel who is asked is gong to say no we don't want him back.   As i said before he is not is the age range that Hyland is looking at, he more or less retired James Reilly this year and Mickey Brennnan last year(I know it was time for both to go anyway). 

Mark McKeever didn't really get a look in the championship despite been one of the best players in the league, i have never seen him play better football and he is the same age as Johnston.

The Anglo Celt did a poll ( the newspaper not the poster from here) and it was clear from that what the Cavan Public think of him.

He may not even come back to the Gaels his head is that stuck up his own ass looking for an apology from them, he should be let stay with St Kevins and play there if he wants.

Do you know the reason why he is looking for an apology from them?
If Seanie was a Mayo player, I'd probably be very thick about it if he shagged off to Kildare or any other county. The way Kildare flouted the rules to let him play for McGeeney was a bloody disgrace no matter what ones thinks of Seanie and his reasons for deserting to them.
But, while the way he was able to move would be unacceptable to me under any circumstances, I don't know what his reasons for leaving the Cavan panel were.
At face value, it seems he just wouldn't get on with the manager and/or the rest of the squad- his track record of dissent is there for the record and goes back a long time.

But if he was a Mayo player and the likes of, say, Aidan O'Shea or Andy Moran came out and said he should be allowed back onto the panel again, I'd really want to know the reason for his departure in the first place.
There must be two sides to this particular story and the public is only getting one of them.
Same goes for his demand for an apology from the Gaels; seems a most unusual move to me.
Anyone got an idea why he's laying down his conditions before he's consider returning?

because in his own head he thinks he's gooch cooper

[heffo]

Do you know the reason why he is looking for an apology from them?

I do.

He wanted them to spend 10k to bring gaa to court so he would not have to leave them to play with Kildare.

Hardly 10k was it? Just standard DRA fee no?

[anglocelt39]

Do you know the reason why he is looking for an apology from them?

I do.

He wanted them to spend 10k to bring gaa to court so he would not have to leave them to play with Kildare.

Anyone observing the Cavan thread will be used to a lot of stuff which Tommy "knows" about team selections, injuries  and player departures to the USA which tend to be proved nonsensical with the passage of time, probably best to treat anything he posts with a lot of scepticism at the very least.

[tommysmith]

Do you know the reason why he is looking for an apology from them?

I do.

He wanted them to spend 10k to bring gaa to court so he would not have to leave them to play with Kildare.

Hardly 10k was it? Just standard DRA fee no?

It was going to have to be taken to the high court. Apologies it was the DRA.

http://www.anglocelt.ie/sport/roundup/articles/2012/02/20/4009063-johnston-saga-timeline/print

The Cavan county board write to every player who had been involved in the senior team in 2011 to thank them for their efforts and inform them that the panel was being disbanded. Val Andrews contacts a handful of players via telephone "as a mark of respect". Johnston is contacted and, it is understood, ends the phone call after a period of silence. He would later tell the Irish Independent that all he got was a 10-second call after eight years of service. "I wasn't looking for anything special but after nine seasons with the county I might have been entitled to a little more compassion," he would later say.
November 24
The Anglo-Celt break the story that Johnston has met with Kieran McGeeney.
It is understood that the original contact may have involved a member of the Kildare back-room team, although well-placed sources in Kildare continue to insist that that they were approached. A Cavan county board officer states that the board has heard nothing official and that, in what by this stage already looked set to be a high profile case, Johnston would have to prove his residency beyond any doubt before the board would sign off on any transfer.
December
Johnston applies in writing to the CCC in Croke Park to request permission to play football for Kildare without leaving his home club Cavan Gaels. This is refused. Having originally given a postal address in Croke Park, he requests that all correspondence is via email.
December 1
Kieran McGeeney's right-hand man, Niall Carew, denies that the wheels are in motion on the move. "Any player, whether they are inside the county or outside, if he wants to come in, we'll give him a go, but for now there is nothing happening," said Carew.
December 17
Johnston is elected as the Cavan Gaels players' representative on the club committee at the AGM, which appears to suggest that he will not be leaving the club.
January 12
Johnston appears before the Central Appeals Committee in Croke Park appealing against the decision not to allow him to declare for Kildare. The appeal is turned down.
January 16
On his official twitter page, Johnston comments: "Honesty is d best policy". The following day, under the heading "Let me go" he breaks his silence and insists that he now lives in Straffan, Co Kildare in a revealing interview to the Irish Independent during which he states, "I'm 27 now and I want to continue playing inter-county football but I don't want to leave my club. It's hugely important to me. But I'm resident in Kildare now and I'm surplus to requirements in Cavan."
January 21
The Cavan Gaels club executive refuses to take a case on behalf of Johnston to the Disputes Resolution Authority. Had they lost, the club could have incurred fees of up to €10,000.
January 21
McGeeney lays out the welcome mat for Johnston in an interview on local radio.
"If he wants to play for Kildare, the same as anybody else wants to play for Kildare, I've an open door policy," McGeeney said on KFM.
"He can come here, turn up, play, train and I've never stopped anybody who's wanted to play for Kildare. He has indicated that he wants to and we'll take him in with open arms but he's going to have his work cut out.
January 24
The Leinster Leader reveals that Johnston will seek to move to St Kevin's of Staplestown, an intermediate club based eight miles from Straffan and the home club of Carew. The club secretary and Kildare secretary Kathleen O'Neill sign the form and return it to Croke Park.
January 30
Cavan county board object to the transfer on the grounds that there is some doubt over the player's permananent residence in Kildare. The following day, St Kevin's chairman Martin Murray is quoted as saying that Johnston is "committed" to the Kildare club and is critical of the Cavan county board. "Seanie is committed to playing football with Kevin's and Kildare and we at Kevin's are committed to taking him on" said Murray. "Cavan county board have pulled something out of the hat and we'll have to go down the Croke Park route now.
February 1
The Cavan Gaels committee meet, seven days after receiving the papers and two days after the Cavan county board's meeting, and decide not to object.
February 5
Johnston trains with St Kevin's and, afterwards, makes his second public comment, telling freelance reporter Daragh Ó Conchuir that he has moved residence to Kildare and that "there should be no issue". He also issues an invite to any doubters to "come down for tea, they're more than welcome".