D'umpires - what is to be done?

[muppet]

Another day, another bad call and another result probably reversed.

Ideas?

[squire_in_navy_slacks]

That umpire could barely walk across the goals to give the signal off no goal (kildare vs don), the fat oaf.................................generally all the umpires are old codgers, half off them without glasses......................also badly positioned, its shocking

[Jinxy]

No problem with the umpire.
He gave the goal.

[J70]

How is an umpire supposed to watch the ball dropping in from on high to judge when it crosses the line of the square at the same time as watching the players? Stupid rule. They should either bar players from entering the square altogether or let them in at all times. I don't know what the stats are on square ball calls, but I wouldn't be surprised if its close enough to 50/50 correct/incorrect.

[Jinxy]

We had a perfectly good solution to the square ball issue.
Once the ball is kicked the man is entitled to get in there.
We should have introduced that along with the mark.
Two rules which rewarded positive play and were shot down for no good reason.
Sometimes we're too democratic.

[bennydorano]

We had a perfectly good solution to the square ball issue.
Once the ball is kicked the man is entitled to get in there.
We should have introduced that along with the mark.
Two rules which rewarded positive play and were shot down for no good reason.
Sometimes we're too democratic.

Jarlath got quite animated about it on the Beeb's coverage, angry with Congress for rejecting it. There'll have to be something done or is it one of the rules that cant be revisited for a period of a couple of years?

[J70]

We had a perfectly good solution to the square ball issue.
Once the ball is kicked the man is entitled to get in there.
We should have introduced that along with the mark.
Two rules which rewarded positive play and were shot down for no good reason.
Sometimes we're too democratic.

That would certainly reduce the error rate, but you're still going to have tv cameras showing slow-motion replays of lads running into the square marginally before or after the ball is last kicked and thus the resulting furore, depending on the decision of the ref. Like the offside rule in soccer.

[tyssam5]

How is an umpire supposed to watch the ball dropping in from on high to judge when it crosses the line of the square at the same time as watching the players? Stupid rule. They should either bar players from entering the square altogether or let them in at all times. I don't know what the stats are on square ball calls, but I wouldn't be surprised if its close enough to 50/50 correct/incorrect.

That seems about right to me. Today's didn't look that hard to call based on TV replay. But the umpire had to be looking only at the ball there to see if it was going wide or not, how's he meant to have an eye on the forward too?

[Maguire01]

We had a perfectly good solution to the square ball issue.
Once the ball is kicked the man is entitled to get in there.
We should have introduced that along with the mark.
Two rules which rewarded positive play and were shot down for no good reason.
Sometimes we're too democratic.

Yes to the square ball. No to the mark.

[Tony Baloney]

We had a perfectly good solution to the square ball issue.
Once the ball is kicked the man is entitled to get in there.
We should have introduced that along with the mark.
Two rules which rewarded positive play and were shot down for no good reason.
Sometimes we're too democratic.

Jarlath got quite animated about it on the Beeb's coverage, angry with Congress for rejecting it. There'll have to be something done or is it one of the rules that cant be revisited for a period of a couple of years?

He was right though, he said he was sick of discussing refereeing decisions after matches instead of discussing the actual match. Congress had the chance to nail the square ball conundrum and it didn't happen. Ball leaves toe and people can enter the small square - although not ideal it is at least clear.

In the case today the umpire gave the goal and the ref gave it square ball. McHugh said that the ref has an earpiece wired in so why not get a 4th official to make the call based on tv replay.

[Leo]

That umpire could barely walk across the goals to give the signal off no goal (kildare vs don), the fat oaf.................................generally all the umpires are old codgers, half off them without glasses......................also badly positioned, its shocking

Take the navy slacks and put them over you head and take a walk on the M50. The umpire (correctly) gave a goal. THe much lauded referee over-ruled him. Your comment is inane and the personal abuse of a voluntary official deplorable.

[Jinxy]

We had a perfectly good solution to the square ball issue.
Once the ball is kicked the man is entitled to get in there.
We should have introduced that along with the mark.
Two rules which rewarded positive play and were shot down for no good reason.
Sometimes we're too democratic.

Yes to the square ball. No to the mark.

Just cos you've no one that can catch a ball! 

[ck]

The title of this thread would suggest that the umpires did something wrong. They got it absolutely right today. Straight up with the green flag until the referee trotted in and overruled it. God only knows why!
Donegal get yet another rub of the green from a referee. It would fit referees better to crack down on Donegals cynical fouling and running across the paths of attacking link men.

[Jinxy]

It's great to see Refs consulting with their umpires.

Scenario 1.
Umpire: "That was a goal."
Ref: "No it wasn't."

Scenario 2.
Umpire: "He was in the square."
Ref: "No he wasn't."

Scenario 3.
Umpire: "That was wide".
Ref: "No it wasn't".

[Throw ball]

The title of this thread would suggest that the umpires did something wrong. They got it absolutely right today. Straight up with the green flag until the referee trotted in and overruled it. God only knows why!
Donegal get yet another rub of the green from a referee. It would fit referees better to crack down on Donegals cynical fouling and running across the paths of attacking link men.

Don't let Jim McGuinness hear you say that.