explosion in omagh

[border rabbit]

Extremely sad. Feel for his poor family today. I've seen the dissidents outside the Athletic Grounds collecting for the prisoners a couple of times recently. they should be chased.

I for one am sick at the sight of these scumbags collecting outside the Athletic Grounds, they stood today rattling their buckets looking for money for "republican families", alll smiles, no decent republican would entertain these lowlifes!

RIP Ronan, our prayers are with your family.

[stonebreaker]

An awful tragedy... R.I.P. Ronan Kerr.

But lads... a simple question?

I'm trying to understand, but what has changed since 1994?


18 years ago, the provos (Martin McGuinness and his ilk) would have killed Ronan Kerr with impunity and it would have been the norm and lauded by the republican majority in general. I'm sensing an awful amount of hypocracy here, but does the mantra of 'the new improved' Sinn Fein really hold that much sway among you all? If it's wrong now, was it not wrong then?

I'm genuinely not on the wind up, but really want to understand the mindset. Can anyone talk me through it? Please?

[Nally Stand]

An awful tragedy... R.I.P. Ronan Kerr.

But lads... a simple question?

I'm trying to understand, but what has changed since 1994?


18 years ago, the provos (Martin McGuinness and his ilk) would have killed Ronan Kerr with impunity and it would have been the norm and lauded by the republican majority in general. I'm sensing an awful amount of hypocracy here, but does the mantra of 'the new improved' Sinn Fein really hold that much sway among you all? If it's wrong now, was it not wrong then?

I'm genuinely not on the wind up, but really want to understand the mindset. Can anyone talk me through it? Please?

Stonebreaker, either you are on the wind up despite your denial, or else you are in desperate need to learn about recent Irish history. It's simple. Republicans believe that violence was vindicated when there was no alternative and when the state was at war with the people. Dissident republicans believe that violence is the first option no matter what the circumstances. You say that Martin McGuinness would have killed police with impunity years ago but you must remember the fact that the people who carried this out yesterday would do the same to Martin McGuinness in a second given the chance. Circumstances change with time. Don't try to draw comparisons between republicans and dissidents. I am a proud Irish Republican and I can tell you with no shred of doubt that these tramps do not represent me or any one I know.

[Milltown Row2]

What age are you Stonebreaker? First off maybe had you lived life were death was only round the corner cause you were a taig and couldn't get a job because you were from the Falls or even not able to get a house because the Prods wanted it instead then you would have some sort of idea that we are in a hell of a better of a place than the one i grew up in.

What is it that you want, and how will it better your life? Sinn Fein i presume still want all the stuff pre ceasefire. Most Catholics still want that also but maybe not prepared to kill Catholics to get there. Seems others have no problem in that and you are confused with that

[sammymaguire]

Sad that a young man going out to try an earn an honest living gets blown to bits because of who he chooses to work for. It's a sad sad place we live in today and not one news report even mentions the idea of the culprits getting caught...

[stonebreaker]

An awful tragedy... R.I.P. Ronan Kerr.

But lads... a simple question?

I'm trying to understand, but what has changed since 1994?


18 years ago, the provos (Martin McGuinness and his ilk) would have killed Ronan Kerr with impunity and it would have been the norm and lauded by the republican majority in general. I'm sensing an awful amount of hypocracy here, but does the mantra of 'the new improved' Sinn Fein really hold that much sway among you all? If it's wrong now, was it not wrong then?

I'm genuinely not on the wind up, but really want to understand the mindset. Can anyone talk me through it? Please?

It's simple. Republicans believe that violence was vindicated when there was no alternative and when the state was at war with the people. Dissident republicans believe that violence is the first option no matter what the circumstances. Don't try to draw comparisons between republicans and dissidents. I am a proud Irish Republican and I can tell you with no shred of doubt that these tramps do not represent me or any one I know.

So I personally think republicans were wrong and you in turn think dissidents were wrong? Given the concessions to republicans in the GFA can you understand why the dissidents are going down this path?

[Orangemac]

Sickening act. Makes you feel sick looking at his poor mother on the news.

The sad thing is that those responsible know this is not achieving anything.They see it as continuing the tradition of every generation contuining the armed struggle.What is the best case scenario they could acheive? Bring us back to the 1980s and how close to a United Ireland were we then?

No doubt there are a few ringleaders celebrating in a bar somewhere, wallets filled with cash from drug peddling and smuggling who have sent out a few young fellas to do this with promises of glory and money.

Hopefully this does not deter Catholics from joining up in future.

[The Worker]

Sickening act. Makes you feel sick looking at his poor mother on the news.

The sad thing is that those responsible know this is not achieving anything.They see it as continuing the tradition of every generation contuining the armed struggle.What is the best case scenario they could acheive? Bring us back to the 1980s and how close to a United Ireland were we then?

No doubt there are a few ringleaders celebrating in a bar somewhere, wallets filled with cash from drug peddling and smuggling who have sent out a few young fellas to do this with promises of glory and money.

Hopefully this does not deter Catholics from joining up in future.

the end of 50/50 recruitment wont help matters either

[Milltown Row2]

An awful tragedy... R.I.P. Ronan Kerr.

But lads... a simple question?

I'm trying to understand, but what has changed since 1994?


18 years ago, the provos (Martin McGuinness and his ilk) would have killed Ronan Kerr with impunity and it would have been the norm and lauded by the republican majority in general. I'm sensing an awful amount of hypocracy here, but does the mantra of 'the new improved' Sinn Fein really hold that much sway among you all? If it's wrong now, was it not wrong then?

I'm genuinely not on the wind up, but really want to understand the mindset. Can anyone talk me through it? Please?

It's simple. Republicans believe that violence was vindicated when there was no alternative and when the state was at war with the people. Dissident republicans believe that violence is the first option no matter what the circumstances. Don't try to draw comparisons between republicans and dissidents. I am a proud Irish Republican and I can tell you with no shred of doubt that these tramps do not represent me or any one I know.

So I personally think republicans were wrong and you in turn think dissidents were wrong? Given the concessions to republicans in the GFA can you understand why the dissidents are going down this path?

So your answer is?

[stonebreaker]

What age are you Stonebreaker? First off maybe had you lived life were death was only round the corner cause you were a taig and couldn't get a job because you were from the Falls or even not able to get a house because the Prods wanted it instead then you would have some sort of idea that we are in a hell of a better of a place than the one i grew up in.

What is it that you want, and how will it better your life? Sinn Fein i presume still want all the stuff pre ceasefire. Most Catholics still want that also but maybe not prepared to kill Catholics to get there. Seems others have no problem in that and you are confused with that

Believe me Milltown, but I've personally experienced terrorism at its worst. It doesn't matter where it originates from. It's ugly and its wrong....

[stonebreaker]

An awful tragedy... R.I.P. Ronan Kerr.

But lads... a simple question?

I'm trying to understand, but what has changed since 1994?


18 years ago, the provos (Martin McGuinness and his ilk) would have killed Ronan Kerr with impunity and it would have been the norm and lauded by the republican majority in general. I'm sensing an awful amount of hypocracy here, but does the mantra of 'the new improved' Sinn Fein really hold that much sway among you all? If it's wrong now, was it not wrong then?

I'm genuinely not on the wind up, but really want to understand the mindset. Can anyone talk me through it? Please?

It's simple. Republicans believe that violence was vindicated when there was no alternative and when the state was at war with the people. Dissident republicans believe that violence is the first option no matter what the circumstances. Don't try to draw comparisons between republicans and dissidents. I am a proud Irish Republican and I can tell you with no shred of doubt that these tramps do not represent me or any one I know.

So I personally think republicans were wrong and you in turn think dissidents were wrong? Given the concessions to republicans in the GFA can you understand why the dissidents are going down this path?

So your answer is?

Terrorism is wrong. What do you think?

[Nally Stand]

An awful tragedy... R.I.P. Ronan Kerr.

But lads... a simple question?

I'm trying to understand, but what has changed since 1994?


18 years ago, the provos (Martin McGuinness and his ilk) would have killed Ronan Kerr with impunity and it would have been the norm and lauded by the republican majority in general. I'm sensing an awful amount of hypocracy here, but does the mantra of 'the new improved' Sinn Fein really hold that much sway among you all? If it's wrong now, was it not wrong then?

I'm genuinely not on the wind up, but really want to understand the mindset. Can anyone talk me through it? Please?

It's simple. Republicans believe that violence was vindicated when there was no alternative and when the state was at war with the people. Dissident republicans believe that violence is the first option no matter what the circumstances. Don't try to draw comparisons between republicans and dissidents. I am a proud Irish Republican and I can tell you with no shred of doubt that these tramps do not represent me or any one I know.

So I personally think republicans were wrong and you in turn think dissidents were wrong? Given the concessions to republicans in the GFA can you understand why the dissidents are going down this path?

That post has just confirmed my suspicions. It seems you just dislike republicanism and your post was simply an attempt to tacitly associate the wider republican movement and republican philosophy into what happened yesterday at the hands of dissident, braindead, violence obsessed, strategy-less nut jobs. Don't pretend you don't understand the difference between republicans and dissidents. As for the GFA, every side had concessions. Loyalists have not been carrying out attacks on innocent Catholics. Nobody calling themselves republican should be carrying out attacks on anybody when there is an opportunity for peace and to achieve aims by peaceful means. Ronan was a friend and I have no intention of getting into any kind of debate on a thread which should be kept to tributes so I'm leaving it at that.

[Milltown Row2]

I think killing people will only make others want/approve of others being killed. Your obviously an Eye for an eye type of a guy I'm more of a two wrongs don't make a right.

[thewobbler]

One of the things that a lot of Republicans struggle with is understanding why their movement enjoyed so much support for 30 years.

In truth it had very little to do with the romantic notion of a socialst 32 county united Ireland. It was, instead, largely down to civil rights. To cut a long story short, the average joe was left with no choice but to make a stand. Growing support, by nature, leads to growing fanaticism. Some people always take things to extremes.

The difference for today's 'freedom fighters' is that they're trying to cause unrest in a settled and reasonably wealthy country. Their end goal is not equality ot stability, but turmoil. They will never ever gain general support.

[stonebreaker]

An awful tragedy... R.I.P. Ronan Kerr.

But lads... a simple question?

I'm trying to understand, but what has changed since 1994?


18 years ago, the provos (Martin McGuinness and his ilk) would have killed Ronan Kerr with impunity and it would have been the norm and lauded by the republican majority in general. I'm sensing an awful amount of hypocracy here, but does the mantra of 'the new improved' Sinn Fein really hold that much sway among you all? If it's wrong now, was it not wrong then?

I'm genuinely not on the wind up, but really want to understand the mindset. Can anyone talk me through it? Please?

It's simple. Republicans believe that violence was vindicated when there was no alternative and when the state was at war with the people. Dissident republicans believe that violence is the first option no matter what the circumstances. Don't try to draw comparisons between republicans and dissidents. I am a proud Irish Republican and I can tell you with no shred of doubt that these tramps do not represent me or any one I know.

So I personally think republicans were wrong and you in turn think dissidents were wrong? Given the concessions to republicans in the GFA can you understand why the dissidents are going down this path?

That post has just confirmed my suspicions. It seems you just dislike republicanism and your post was simply an attempt to tacitly associate the wider republican movement and republican philosophy into what happened yesterday at the hands of dissident, braindead, violence obsessed, strategy-less nut jobs. Don't pretend you don't understand the difference between republicans and dissidents. As for the GFA, every side had concessions. Loyalists have not been carrying out attacks on innocent Catholics. Nobody calling themselves republican should be carrying out attacks on anybody when there is an opportunity for peace and to achieve aims by peaceful means. Ronan was a friend and I have no intention of getting into any kind of debate on a thread which should be kept to tributes so I'm leaving it at that.

So anyone pre 94, good enough for him....

Anyone post 94, its a tragedy. Didn't deserve it, etc.

Hypocracy in a bottle.......