Any update on King Henry's injury?

[Bud Wiser]

Wait 'till these two boys, Walsh and Shefflin are released out of the ice box they are locked up in down in Wexford. Bloody sure they will be playing but Cody will be encouraging two more to give it their all in training to take their place and on and on it goes.  I still think Walsh and Shefflin will be playing.

[lilpaulie85]

Walsh will be fit for the final according to the news today.

[Bogball XV]

The pick of Tipp, Cork and Waterford won't beat the Cat's in the final for jaysus sake.

I agree, as much as i hate to admit it

i wouldn't think that side would differ too much from the tipp team, who'll give the cats plenty of trouble this year again.  If they'd found a few scores from out the park last year it was their's for the taking (and that's forgetting about the helping hand the ref gave the cats).  This year with mcgrath and a rejuvenated o'brien finally starting to deliver it could be a different story.  It probably wouldn't do any harm to tipp to see shefflin start as there's little chance he'll be at full pace and look at the lift it would give them when he's withdrawn (though whether Cody would start him in that state is another story).  I expect Walsh to be fit though, and at this stage he's a much more important player for ths cats than henry anyway.  Hopefully it'll be a classic, and it might well be.

[lilpaulie85]

The pick of Tipp, Cork and Waterford won't beat the Cat's in the final for jaysus sake.

I agree, as much as i hate to admit it

i wouldn't think that side would differ too much from the tipp team, who'll give the cats plenty of trouble this year again.  If they'd found a few scores from out the park last year it was their's for the taking (and that's forgetting about the helping hand the ref gave the cats).  This year with mcgrath and a rejuvenated o'brien finally starting to deliver it could be a different story.  It probably wouldn't do any harm to tipp to see shefflin start as there's little chance he'll be at full pace and look at the lift it would give them when he's withdrawn (though whether Cody would start him in that state is another story).  I expect Walsh to be fit though, and at this stage he's a much more important player for ths cats than henry anyway.  Hopefully it'll be a classic, and it might well be.

I think shipping 1-18 to Waterford with them playing with mullane on his own for most the game up front is worrying for tipp, they will have to improve in defense to cope with kk. Also will there be the space in around the full forward line tipp got against waterford at times on sunday against the cats, i dont think tipp will win this one.

[Milltown Row2]

big selection worries for Cody this year, usually the team has picked itself but one or two doubts over fitness and Cody will make tough decisions, for me he  has to put out the strongest 15, cant have players that aren't 100% fit on final day.

All the Tipp boys will be going at the Kilkenny boys at 100 mph and any player carrying a knock will know all about it in the first ten minutes. the team that start with momentum has the edge. Kilkenny have always had great starts and good finishes.

what do you do if you were Cody? Start Henry and Walsh or bring them on?

[Roashter]

big selection worries for Cody this year, usually the team has picked itself but one or two doubts over fitness and Cody will make tough decisions, for me he  has to put out the strongest 15, cant have players that aren't 100% fit on final day.

All the Tipp boys will be going at the Kilkenny boys at 100 mph and any player carrying a knock will know all about it in the first ten minutes. the team that start with momentum has the edge. Kilkenny have always had great starts and good finishes.

what do you do if you were Cody? Start Henry and Walsh or bring them on?

Am pretty sure that Henry will play no part in the game. The injury to Walsh on the other hand doesn't seem to be as serious as first reported.
More than likely it'll be the same team that started against Cork. If Brian Hogan is still injured then James Ryall will fill in there.
The only selection to be decided upon is who to pick instead of Shefflin -Comerford/Rice/Mulhall ?

[Bogball XV]

I think shipping 1-18 to Waterford with them playing with mullane on his own for most the game up front is worrying for tipp, they will have to improve in defense to cope with kk. Also will there be the space in around the full forward line tipp got against waterford at times on sunday against the cats, i dont think tipp will win this one.

True, but sure the cats shipped nearly the same against a very, very poor cork side.  I would be more worried by the defensive lapses against Galway, but then Galway can give any side a run on their day and I'd put them as 3rd best in the country at present.
I'd agree with roashter that Henry is unlikely to play any part and Walsh should come through easily (though as milltown says, he could be vulnerable to an early hit or two).  Tipp are definitely underdogs and need to be at the top of their game, but, kk don't seem quite as strong to me and I think they're there for the taking.  Tipp's arrogance, God love them, will stand them in good stead for this one too as they're never afraid of KK.

[GAA_Punter]

Kilkenny Selector Sick Of Injury Rumours

Fogarty put paid to those rumours today saying "Henry hasn't a hope of playing".

http://www.sportsnewsireland.com/2010/08/17/kilkenny-selector-sick-of-injury-rumours/

[orangeman]

Surely they know by now if Henry's cruciate is gone or not ?



Tommy Walsh in, Henry Shefflin definitely out.

That was the news from Kilkenny last night as they resumed training for the eagerly awaited All-Ireland final with Tipperary in three weeks' time.

An X-ray revealed that Hurler of the Year Walsh had sustained no major damage in a collision with county colleague Jackie Tyrrell in a club match over the weekend.

But Kilkenny have moved to quash speculation that Shefflin could yet play some part against Tipperary next month.

Selector Martin Fogarty said yesterday that Shefflin "hadn't a hope" of figuring in the decider.

Fogarty describes Walsh's injury as "similar to Brian Hogan's".

That's damage to the AC joint in the shoulder and Walsh has been intensively applying ice to the area affected since it happened on Saturday when he was playing for Tullaroan in a county league match against James Stephens.

Fogarty admitted these were "tough times" for the champions as the injuries mounted up but their focus remained on getting the fittest team possible on the pitch for the Tipperary game.

Effectively, only those who train next week are likely to be considered for starting places.

Shefflin's visit to renowned sports injury specialist Gerard Hartmann last week for consultation had triggered hope that he may be involved in the All-Ireland final -- he isn't considering surgery until after the Tipperary clash.

"Maybe it will be a case, just like JJ Delaney four years ago, that Henry won't need an operation," said Fogarty. "When JJ went for surgery it was established that the ligament wasn't completely gone and that the most prudent thing was not to do anything with it.

"But the stronger a knee is, the better it is to cope without an operation and that's why Henry is currently taking this route. The same with John Tennyson.

"Unless there's a miracle -- and we're not expecting one -- Henry won't be playing."
"Brian Hogan is not out of the woods yet either but his prospects are improving," continued Fogarty.

Between Shefflin, Walsh, Hogan, Tennyson and Michael Rice, Kilkenny's injury problems have been mounting in recent weeks and Fogarty accepted that it "made things more difficult".

"But it's a great challenge and I'm sure everybody is looking forward to it," he stressed.

- Colm Keys

[orangeman]

Henry Shefflin is on course to be fit for the All-Ireland Senior Hurling final after coming through a full training session with Kilkenny in Nowlan Park on Wednesday night.Tommy Walsh, Richie Power and John Tennyson also took part in the session despite injury worries in a major boost to the Cats.

Walsh looks like overcoming a shoulder injury picked up in a club match with Tulloran.

A crowd of almost 8,000 attended the training exercise. It wasn't all good news for Brian Cody, however, with Brian Hogan suffering a suspected broken finger and he is now a major doubt for the match with Tipperary.

[Bud Wiser]

My bet is that Henry will still play some part in the Final.

8,000 people at last nights training session.  The King is back.
Does anyone know, apart from this Saturdays training session, what times the remaining training sessions are on?

[AZOffaly]

Henry Shefflin is on course to be fit for the All-Ireland Senior Hurling final after coming through a full training session with Kilkenny in Nowlan Park on Wednesday night.Tommy Walsh, Richie Power and John Tennyson also took part in the session despite injury worries in a major boost to the Cats.

Walsh looks like overcoming a shoulder injury picked up in a club match with Tulloran.

A crowd of almost 8,000 attended the training exercise. It wasn't all good news for Brian Cody, however, with Brian Hogan suffering a suspected broken finger and he is now a major doubt for the match with Tipperary.

What???!?? that wasn't an ACL tear then. No way.

[orangeman]

Henry Shefflin is on course to be fit for the All-Ireland Senior Hurling final after coming through a full training session with Kilkenny in Nowlan Park on Wednesday night.Tommy Walsh, Richie Power and John Tennyson also took part in the session despite injury worries in a major boost to the Cats.

Walsh looks like overcoming a shoulder injury picked up in a club match with Tulloran.

A crowd of almost 8,000 attended the training exercise. It wasn't all good news for Brian Cody, however, with Brian Hogan suffering a suspected broken finger and he is now a major doubt for the match with Tipperary.

What???!?? that wasn't an ACL tear then. No way.

Seems impossible. Partial tear ??

[johnneycool]

Henry Shefflin is on course to be fit for the All-Ireland Senior Hurling final after coming through a full training session with Kilkenny in Nowlan Park on Wednesday night.Tommy Walsh, Richie Power and John Tennyson also took part in the session despite injury worries in a major boost to the Cats.

Walsh looks like overcoming a shoulder injury picked up in a club match with Tulloran.

A crowd of almost 8,000 attended the training exercise. It wasn't all good news for Brian Cody, however, with Brian Hogan suffering a suspected broken finger and he is now a major doubt for the match with Tipperary.

What???!?? that wasn't an ACL tear then. No way.

That's what I was thinking.

Either Shefflin didn't tear his cruciate and they're making it out to be worse than it is to f**k with Tipp or they're implying there's a chance he will play some part in the game and that'll also f**k with Tipp.
Who says Cody doesn't do the mind games?

If it really was a tear then they're just building up his leg muscles around the knee before the operation.

[Roashter]

Only heard the reports on radio this morning and amazing stuff alright.
Apparently he came through a full 50 minute game, although the fella on newstalk did stress that he was not involved in any "heavy" challenges.
Realistically, if you were a KK player in training last night you are not going to hammer into him in front of 8,000 KK fans with the possibility that you were the person who stopped him from making the final.

I still think it is too big a risk. Players can play without a cruciate (Dermot Earley), but you need to have a lot of work done to build up your quad muscles in order for them to cover for what the crusiate does. He has only 10 days to go. John Tennyson ruptured his cruciate about 2 weeks before Henry and also played last night but apparently had to come off injured.

If you start Shefflin and he comes off within first 5 minutes then it would be a massive boost for Tipp. Similiarly if you spring him from the bench and he has to go off after only a few minutes then that would be even worse.
Make no mistake, Tipp will surely land a few heavy hits to test him (as any team would).

If Shefflin stays ok for next 10 days, it'll be interesting to see what does Cody do?

If I was a Tipp man I'd be delighted with all this. All the focus/attention is on Kilkenny and more especially Shefflin. And I don't care what anyone else says, but if he does play and he really does have a torn cruciate then there is no way he can be as good as he would have been had he not torn it, and that begs the question for Cody -should he start him or not?