And the Red Poppies Dance

[Tankie]

The revisionism happened in the years after the war when these men where brush under the carpet and the nation attempted to forget them

In what way were they brushed under the carpet? In many ways they and their families were better looked after than those who stayed behind, so why should the Irish state remember those who chose to fight in foreign armies?

I have no problems with Irishmen fighting in foreign armies - the names of three Irish generals who fought for Napoleon against the English are inscibed on the Arc De Triomphe - what I do have a problem with is Irishmen fighting in the army of the country that enslaved their people ...

S'pose it's no surprise that it's jackeens arguing the point on here ... they'll be saying soon it's time for a new royal visit to what was the second city of the empire the last time some parasite from buckingham palace was paraded thru the streets there to accept the thanks of loyal dubliners for her hugely generous contribution to the famine fund 35 years earlier ... time to get them wee red, white abd blue flags outta the bottom drawers boys

sure u boys in Britain would know more about Royal Visits than us 

But on a serious note this has nothing to do with British rule, these men fought for Ireland as proud Irish men and that should not be forgotten.

[red hander]

The revisionism happened in the years after the war when these men where brush under the carpet and the nation attempted to forget them

In what way were they brushed under the carpet? In many ways they and their families were better looked after than those who stayed behind, so why should the Irish state remember those who chose to fight in foreign armies?

I have no problems with Irishmen fighting in foreign armies - the names of three Irish generals who fought for Napoleon against the English are inscibed on the Arc De Triomphe - what I do have a problem with is Irishmen fighting in the army of the country that enslaved their people ...

S'pose it's no surprise that it's jackeens arguing the point on here ... they'll be saying soon it's time for a new royal visit to what was the second city of the empire the last time some parasite from buckingham palace was paraded thru the streets there to accept the thanks of loyal dubliners for her hugely generous contribution to the famine fund 35 years earlier ... time to get them wee red, white abd blue flags outta the bottom drawers boys

sure u boys in Britain would know more about Royal Visits than us 

But on a serious note this has nothing to do with British rule, these men fought for Ireland as proud Irish men and that should not be forgotten.

Us abandoned Irish in the occupied six wouldn't have a problem remembering them if all the associated baggage wasn't shovelled down our throats by bigots up here.

BTW tankie, any of your famous predictions about what the Dubs are going to do to us at Croker at the end of January?

[Fear ón Srath Bán]

Britain very cynically and skilfully manipulated her naked belligerence and aggression in WWI, in the aftermath of WWII in particular, into something that was worthy of being remembered, recalled and fawned over, ad nauseam; the emotional blackmail, the tugging of heartstrings, the maudlin memories of the 'heroes'. All this, of course, was nothing more than a ruse and a smokescreen by Britain to bury her own blood-soaked culpability and most assured guilt in the greatest human catastrophe and carnage that man has ever been responsible for in the history of this planet. Trouble was and is, there were more than a few Poppy-Paddies who've been duped by it all.

An irony, of course, is that had it not been for the brave Irishmen and women who rose up in insurrection while Britain was off killing daddies for the empire, her empire would have emerged more or less intact from WWI. As it transpired, however, Irish rebels had made sure that the unravelling of that empire was now irreversible, and though she would hang on till the last trappings and vestiges of empire were wrenched from her bloody grasp, it was truly in terminal decline.

[Tankie]

The revisionism happened in the years after the war when these men where brush under the carpet and the nation attempted to forget them

In what way were they brushed under the carpet? In many ways they and their families were better looked after than those who stayed behind, so why should the Irish state remember those who chose to fight in foreign armies?

I have no problems with Irishmen fighting in foreign armies - the names of three Irish generals who fought for Napoleon against the English are inscibed on the Arc De Triomphe - what I do have a problem with is Irishmen fighting in the army of the country that enslaved their people ...

S'pose it's no surprise that it's jackeens arguing the point on here ... they'll be saying soon it's time for a new royal visit to what was the second city of the empire the last time some parasite from buckingham palace was paraded thru the streets there to accept the thanks of loyal dubliners for her hugely generous contribution to the famine fund 35 years earlier ... time to get them wee red, white abd blue flags outta the bottom drawers boys

sure u boys in Britain would know more about Royal Visits than us 

But on a serious note this has nothing to do with British rule, these men fought for Ireland as proud Irish men and that should not be forgotten.

Us abandoned Irish in the occupied six wouldn't have a problem remembering them if all the associated baggage wasn't shovelled down our throats by bigots up here.

BTW tankie, any of your famous predictions about what the Dubs are going to do to us at Croker at the end of January?

Without question the unionist have highjacked the Irish fight in WWI but i think it may be time to look at our own history and at these IRISH men who went to fight in a world war not for Britain but for Ireland and freedom. our rememberance should have nothing to do with Britain and I am in no way suggesting that we remember all the British soldiers lost in combat, I would just like to remember these brave Irish men who like the men of 1916 - 1922 and all wars gave their live for Ireland.

These men did not fight for an empire, they fought for what they believed was right and as Irishmen.

[Gnevin]

Whats the deal with Tankie and Gnevins crusade about the WWI and WW2 dead?
This is at least the third thread between them (and Gnevin had the nerve to say Tony deserved his ban for opening multiple threads).

Gnevin even suggested people who didnt post on one of the threads dont care by noting another non related thread had more replies.

Yeah because 1 thread on a TV program , 1 on the Irish Poppy and 1 on a general question are all the same and sure wee tony only opened the odd 600 threads . Yeah it's the exact same situation aright .

[Gnevin]

The revisionism happened in the years after the war when these men where brush under the carpet and the nation attempted to forget them

In what way were they brushed under the carpet? In many ways they and their families were better looked after than those who stayed behind, so why should the Irish state remember those who chose to fight in foreign armies?

I have no problems with Irishmen fighting in foreign armies - the names of three Irish generals who fought for Napoleon against the English are inscibed on the Arc De Triomphe - what I do have a problem with is Irishmen fighting in the army of the country that enslaved their people ...

S'pose it's no surprise that it's jackeens arguing the point on here ... they'll be saying soon it's time for a new royal visit to what was the second city of the empire the last time some parasite from buckingham palace was paraded thru the streets there to accept the thanks of loyal dubliners for her hugely generous contribution to the famine fund 35 years earlier ... time to get them wee red, white abd blue flags outta the bottom drawers boys

sure u boys in Britain would know more about Royal Visits than us 

But on a serious note this has nothing to do with British rule, these men fought for Ireland as proud Irish men and that should not be forgotten.

Believe it or not the North is not the centre of the world .You lot up North couldn't agree what day follows Thursday .

[Fear ón Srath Bán]

Gnevin & Tankie, if the heroes of 1916 were not fighting against the British, when your heroes were off fighting with the British, you'd probably still be under the yoke of empire, as (undoubtedly) loyal British subjects, badgering all and sundry to proudly parade their poppies to commemorate those who have consigned you to your eternal grovelling subservience!

Oh, there are none so blind as those who will not see. Verily!

[Gnevin]

Gnevin & Tankie, if the heroes of 1916 were not fighting against the British, when your heroes were off fighting with the British, you'd probably still be under the yoke of empire, as (undoubtedly) loyal British subjects, badgering all and sundry to proudly parade their poppies to commemorate those who have consigned to your eternal grovelling subservience!

Oh, there are none so blind as those who will not see. Verily!

You mean like the heroes who where members of the Irish Volunteers and where asked by Redmond to go fight?
You mean like the heroes who believed like millions of young men across the world they where fighting for small nations to be free, nations like Ireland
You mean like the Irish in Canada , Australia and UK who where conscripted to fight ?

[Fear ón Srath Bán]

You mean like the heroes who where members of the Irish Volunteers and where asked by Redmond to go fight?

Redmond duped them (and you), bastard.

You mean like the heroes who believed like millions of young men across the world they where fighting for small nations to be free, nations like Ireland

And what about the small nation Ireland that Britain had denied self-expression and freedom to for over 700 years, whilst filling her warring ranks to the echo of that empty aim. You've been had (too).

You mean like the Irish in Canada , Australia and UK who where conscripted to fight ?

Exactly, they hadn't much of a choice. None, in fact.

[Mentalman]

Gnevin & Tankie, if the heroes of 1916 were not fighting against the British, when your heroes were off fighting with the British, you'd probably still be under the yoke of empire, as (undoubtedly) loyal British subjects, badgering all and sundry to proudly parade their poppies to commemorate those who have consigned you to your eternal grovelling subservience!

Oh, there are none so blind as those who will not see. Verily!

The amount of revisionism this week is spectacular  - on both sides.

Let's face it, Ireland was on course for home rule within the commonwealth until Easter 1916. They were still on that course following the uprising, and the rebels were almost universally unpopular - until the executions - that was the tipping point.

[Fear ón Srath Bán]

Let's face it, Ireland was on course for home rule within the commonwealth until Easter 1916.

Quite wrong, totally wrong, in fact.

[Tankie]

Gnevin & Tankie, if the heroes of 1916 were not fighting against the British, when your heroes were off fighting with the British, you'd probably still be under the yoke of empire, as (undoubtedly) loyal British subjects, badgering all and sundry to proudly parade their poppies to commemorate those who have consigned you to your eternal grovelling subservience!

Oh, there are none so blind as those who will not see. Verily!

you really are as bad as Myers when it comes to giving your view. These men fought for Ireland just like the men of 1916! you can like it to fighting for the british all you want but it wont change the facts that these men also gave their lives for Ireland as true Irish men.

[Zapatista]

What is the definition of a 'true Irisnman'?

[Mentalman]

Let's face it, Ireland was on course for home rule within the commonwealth until Easter 1916.

Quite wrong, totally wrong, in fact.

Really, how so?

[Fear ón Srath Bán]

Let's face it, Ireland was on course for home rule within the commonwealth until Easter 1916.

Quite wrong, totally wrong, in fact.

Really, how so?

The Third Irish Home Rule Bill, which Asquith had tabled before the outbreak or WWI, was far from assured successful passage through Parliament (and there was no way the Lords were going to let it through, and witness the landing of a massive amount of weapons at Larne, in 1914, by the UVF with the collusion and connivance of the British forces ). Lloyd-George, who succeeded him in 1916, was openly hostile to the whole idea.