Be advised my passport's green...the Board and British passports

Started by deiseach, February 22, 2016, 02:06:58 PM

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Are you eligible for, and in possession of, a British passport?

Yes
21 (31.3%)
No
46 (68.7%)

Total Members Voted: 67

Voting closed: February 27, 2016, 02:06:58 PM

Billys Boots

Quote from: Shamrock Shore on February 22, 2016, 08:01:23 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 22, 2016, 06:13:48 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on February 22, 2016, 02:46:00 PM
As my parents were both Irish citizens prior to 1948 I think that I'm entitled to a British passport, but I've never had one.

Is that true?

Had no idea.

Not true.

Birth in what's now the Republic of Ireland before 1922 was not sufficient in itself to confer citizenship of the UK and Colonies. Persons born in the Republic of Ireland before 1949 became Citizens of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent in British law on 1 January 1949 if they had a father born in the United Kingdom or a place that was a colony at that date (provided father was married to the person's mother)

No idea how that paragraph belies what I said SS - my parents were 'entitled' to British passports. 
My hands are stained with thistle milk ...

deiseach

Quote from: Billys Boots on February 23, 2016, 09:51:13 AM
Quote from: Shamrock Shore on February 22, 2016, 08:01:23 PM
Quote from: J70 on February 22, 2016, 06:13:48 PM
Quote from: Billys Boots on February 22, 2016, 02:46:00 PM
As my parents were both Irish citizens prior to 1948 I think that I'm entitled to a British passport, but I've never had one.

Is that true?

Had no idea.

Not true.

Birth in what's now the Republic of Ireland before 1922 was not sufficient in itself to confer citizenship of the UK and Colonies. Persons born in the Republic of Ireland before 1949 became Citizens of the United Kingdom and Colonies by descent in British law on 1 January 1949 if they had a father born in the United Kingdom or a place that was a colony at that date (provided father was married to the person's mother)

No idea how that paragraph belies what I said SS - my parents were 'entitled' to British passports.

Your parents are eligible for one. You're not.

Applesisapples

It would never enter my mind to apply for a British passport, I'm not insecure in my identity now although I might have been in 1977 when I originally procured my Green one.

MW

Yeah if you were born in what became the Republic of Ireland before 1949, you're entitled to a British passport.

As a British subject, though, rather than as a British citizen (still a British national, but slightly different from citizen status).

armaghniac

I was going to get a British passport, but toilet paper was cheaper.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

Clov

I have both. Always travel on the Irish one and just keep the British one as a back up, incase of theft etc.

Are there any practical advantages to having a British one? Someone mentioned it was cheaper, but are there countries were you're exempt from the visa process if travelling on a Brit passport as opposed to an Irish one?

Given the number of countries were imperial Britain stuck her nose in, there are plenty of places were you might want to travel on an Irish passport. I remember the military police boarding a bus i was on in Argentina a few years ago and checking everyone's papers - was glad i had an Irish one then.
"One of the most salient features of our culture is that there is so much bullshit"

Mikhail Prokhorov

no doubt about it, a safer travelling passport is Irish, the amount of idiots who think having an english passport will help them on their travels is ridiculous. remember ken bigley. if only he had got an Irish passport in the first place!!! luckily for me my russian one does the job  ;)

AQMP

Quote from: Clov on February 23, 2016, 11:49:44 AM
I have both. Always travel on the Irish one and just keep the British one as a back up, incase of theft etc.

Are there any practical advantages to having a British one? Someone mentioned it was cheaper, but are there countries were you're exempt from the visa process if travelling on a Brit passport as opposed to an Irish one?

Given the number of countries were imperial Britain stuck her nose in, there are plenty of places were you might want to travel on an Irish passport. I remember the military police boarding a bus i was on in Argentina a few years ago and checking everyone's papers - was glad i had an Irish one then.

Current Costs -
Irish Adult (over 18)   10 Year €80.00 - 5 Year Child Passport (up to 18) 5 Years €26.50
                         
British Adult (over 16) 10 Year £82.25 (first time) £72.50 (renewal)
British Child (up to 16) £46.00

Shamrock Shore

QuoteNo idea how that paragraph belies what I said SS - my parents were 'entitled' to British passports.

Perhaps they are entitled - but you are not based on their dates of birth.

haranguerer

Quote from: Clov on February 23, 2016, 11:49:44 AM
I have both. Always travel on the Irish one and just keep the British one as a back up, incase of theft etc.

Are there any practical advantages to having a British one? Someone mentioned it was cheaper, but are there countries were you're exempt from the visa process if travelling on a Brit passport as opposed to an Irish one?

Given the number of countries were imperial Britain stuck her nose in, there are plenty of places were you might want to travel on an Irish passport. I remember the military police boarding a bus i was on in Argentina a few years ago and checking everyone's papers - was glad i had an Irish one then.

https://www.passportindex.org/byRank.php

Clov

Quote from: haranguerer on February 23, 2016, 01:59:09 PM
Quote from: Clov on February 23, 2016, 11:49:44 AM
I have both. Always travel on the Irish one and just keep the British one as a back up, incase of theft etc.

Are there any practical advantages to having a British one? Someone mentioned it was cheaper, but are there countries were you're exempt from the visa process if travelling on a Brit passport as opposed to an Irish one?

Given the number of countries were imperial Britain stuck her nose in, there are plenty of places were you might want to travel on an Irish passport. I remember the military police boarding a bus i was on in Argentina a few years ago and checking everyone's papers - was glad i had an Irish one then.

https://www.passportindex.org/byRank.php

Interesting. Six countries then - I wonder which ones they are?
"One of the most salient features of our culture is that there is so much bullshit"

Harold Disgracey

Does Tony Blair travel on an Irish Passport or is it his kids? I seem to remember reading that somewhere.

Main Street

The great poet's quote,  "be advised my passport's green" was of course referring to his irish identity.
Eligibility to hold the passport document in itself, doesn't confer an identity.
Seamus was also a british national (a dual national) by dint of birth, his inclusion by default into the British Anthology was appropriate and it was precedented, his poems had appeared in 6 other (titled) british anthologies.
Seamus was (coming out) rejecting his british identity totally or refusing to recognise it.
Either way, he could have pursued his option to renounce his british nationality.