Leadership community failure in the North

[saffron sam2]

What is a mass brawl called when two Gaelic teams get stuck into each other after a match? Tribal? these things kick off all the time, handbags and I've seen worse at a local ladies football match.

Talking to one of the lads after the match, said it was no big deal, over-reaction. they were winding up the Model after scoring the winner (as you would) and it kicked off.

So are you saying that there was no sectarian element to the brawl?

Or to the occasion in general?

Although the brawl is totally irrelevant to the topic of the thread.

[Maguire01]

i myself went on to 3rd level where for the first time in my life i shared a classroom with prods could believe how thick they were. they held the whole course up it was a joke. what surprised us taigs was that evertime there was a class test they were topping the class a wee bit of liberal marking done me thinks... just to take the bad look off it the wheels came off though when outside examiners landed.. btw these were all country lads not your typical hoodied townies

Not quite the broadened outlook (or standard of grammar) you might expect from someone who went to third-level.

[nifan]

Not quite the broadened outlook (or standard of grammar) you might expect from someone who went to third-level.

Really? Id say its about average for third-tier in NI.

[fitzroyalty]

i myself went on to 3rd level where for the first time in my life i shared a classroom with prods could believe how thick they were. they held the whole course up it was a joke. what surprised us taigs was that evertime there was a class test they were topping the class a wee bit of liberal marking done me thinks... just to take the bad look off it the wheels came off though when outside examiners landed.. btw these were all country lads not your typical hoodied townies

Not quite the broadened outlook (or standard of grammar) you might expect from someone who went to third-level.

UUJ?

[Milltown Row2]

What is a mass brawl called when two Gaelic teams get stuck into each other after a match? Tribal? these things kick off all the time, handbags and I've seen worse at a local ladies football match.

Talking to one of the lads after the match, said it was no big deal, over-reaction. they were winding up the Model after scoring the winner (as you would) and it kicked off.

So are you saying that there was no sectarian element to the brawl?

Or to the occasion in general?

Although the brawl is totally irrelevant to the topic of the thread.

I'm repeating just what the lad said. If both were involved, were they both being sectarian? Also if it was 2 Catholic schools who fought after the match what would that be called? 16 year old lads fight all the time. I wouldn't blow it up and create a fuss over it.

That is the problem with this god forsaken place, hatred of each other, suspicions of each other, pretty boring and dull when we are trying to score points of each other, safe in the knowledge that we are right.

[saffron sam2]

What is a mass brawl called when two Gaelic teams get stuck into each other after a match? Tribal? these things kick off all the time, handbags and I've seen worse at a local ladies football match.

Talking to one of the lads after the match, said it was no big deal, over-reaction. they were winding up the Model after scoring the winner (as you would) and it kicked off.

So are you saying that there was no sectarian element to the brawl?

Or to the occasion in general?

Although the brawl is totally irrelevant to the topic of the thread.

I'm repeating just what the lad said. If both were involved, were they both being sectarian? Also if it was 2 Catholic schools who fought after the match what would that be called? 16 year old lads fight all the time. I wouldn't blow it up and create a fuss over it.

That is the problem with this god forsaken place, hatred of each other, suspicions of each other, pretty boring and dull when we are trying to score points of each other, safe in the knowledge that we are right.

Have you recently been whacked over the head with a claw hammer?
Has Peter Solan the Great possibly hacked into your account?

Your contributions to this and the Celtic thread are becoming more and more bizarre.

It appears that the point you are trying to make is this. If this scenes had happened in Belfast after a Celtic – Rangers game (even months after, in the immediate aftermath of a contentious parade in Ardoyne), every Celtic and Rangers fan is a sectarian bigot. But, because the row happened after a football match involving two schools from either side of the divide, it's somehow the GAA's fault. Notwithstanding, of course the clearly obvious assumption that the majority of those causing the trouble at Ballyskeagh were fans of at least one of the aforementioned teams.

I too can only repeat what my source heard from a teacher in one of the schools involved, a man with a trusty left peg who your club tried to poach. The main issue was not the players but the crowd and there was plenty of sectarian abuse. It wasn't as you try to portray 16 year old boys beating the lining out of each other (why you think that would be acceptable, I don't know, by the way).

I have been to enough schools' football matches (including several of these showpiece games) to know the reality of what goes on. I have highlighted it on here before.

I don't particularly hate anyone, apart from maybe that wee idiot who tried to out me (longball, by the way, not you). I'm not scoring points either, but why dress something up as an innocent wee row between kids when it was clearly much more sinister than that.

[Milltown Row2]

What is a mass brawl called when two Gaelic teams get stuck into each other after a match? Tribal? these things kick off all the time, handbags and I've seen worse at a local ladies football match.

Talking to one of the lads after the match, said it was no big deal, over-reaction. they were winding up the Model after scoring the winner (as you would) and it kicked off.

So are you saying that there was no sectarian element to the brawl?

Or to the occasion in general?

Although the brawl is totally irrelevant to the topic of the thread.

I'm repeating just what the lad said. If both were involved, were they both being sectarian? Also if it was 2 Catholic schools who fought after the match what would that be called? 16 year old lads fight all the time. I wouldn't blow it up and create a fuss over it.

That is the problem with this god forsaken place, hatred of each other, suspicions of each other, pretty boring and dull when we are trying to score points of each other, safe in the knowledge that we are right.

Have you recently been whacked over the head with a claw hammer?
Has Peter Solan the Great possibly hacked into your account?

Your contributions to this and the Celtic thread are becoming more and more bizarre.

It appears that the point you are trying to make is this. If this scenes had happened in Belfast after a Celtic – Rangers game (even months after, in the immediate aftermath of a contentious parade in Ardoyne), every Celtic and Rangers fan is a sectarian bigot. But, because the row happened after a football match involving two schools from either side of the divide, it's somehow the GAA's fault. Notwithstanding, of course the clearly obvious assumption that the majority of those causing the trouble at Ballyskeagh were fans of at least one of the aforementioned teams.

I too can only repeat what my source heard from a teacher in one of the schools involved, a man with a trusty left peg who your club tried to poach. The main issue was not the players but the crowd and there was plenty of sectarian abuse. It wasn't as you try to portray 16 year old boys beating the lining out of each other (why you think that would be acceptable, I don't know, by the way).

I have been to enough schools' football matches (including several of these showpiece games) to know the reality of what goes on. I have highlighted it on here before.

I don't particularly hate anyone, apart from maybe that wee idiot who tried to out me (longball, by the way, not you). I'm not scoring points either, but why dress something up as an innocent wee row between kids when it was clearly much more sinister than that.

Look I'm not getting at you Saffron, you have no hatred in you, nor are you drunk at soccer matches shouting sectarian obscene shite.

I have my views on it, you have as many views on things that people on here will disagree with, so get over it.

As for the lad at it all I'm doing is repeating his view on what happened. If he is wrong and your source was right, well I'll take it back.

As for my point on Under 16 fighting at games, take yourself to an under 16 game, I've taken teams watch matches and refereed a fair amount, the fight ALL THE TIME!! Its nothing sinister.