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[Maiden1]

So Maiden1, what you're telling me is that you can pull 100% behind the theory that someone like Johnny Chan can be born with a sixth sense for playing poker, but the same man can't be born with just a lot of luck?

I can't see how one is more plausible than the other!

Reading players is all and well, but you can do very little without getting the cards to back it up.

I would say he is born with great analytical ability and ability to read what a player has based on what there betting style is.  There will be a certain percentage of players at a table will not know how to work out the pot odds so they will make mistakes in terms of over playing suited connectors etc. and will have virtually no chance of ever winning a tournament.  When it gets near the end all the players will know pot odds etc. so the edge they will have is on there ability to get the most chips when they are in front and lose as little as possible when they are behind.  As well as work out when the other player hasn't got much and they can push them off a hand.

[Puckoon]

So Maiden1, what you're telling me is that you can pull 100% behind the theory that someone like Johnny Chan can be born with a sixth sense for playing poker, but the same man can't be born with just a lot of luck?

I can't see how one is more plausible than the other!

Reading players is all and well, but you can do very little without getting the cards to back it up.

I would say he is born with great analytical ability and ability to read what a player has based on what there betting style is.  There will be a certain percentage of players at a table will not know how to work out the pot odds so they will make mistakes in terms of over playing suited connectors etc. and will have virtually no chance of ever winning a tournament.  When it gets near the end all the players will know pot odds etc. so the edge they will have is on there ability to get the most chips when they are in front and lose as little as possible when they are behind.  As well as work out when the other player hasn't got much and they can push them off a hand.

Funny, I would say that he learned this.

[Maiden1]

So Maiden1, what you're telling me is that you can pull 100% behind the theory that someone like Johnny Chan can be born with a sixth sense for playing poker, but the same man can't be born with just a lot of luck?

I can't see how one is more plausible than the other!

Reading players is all and well, but you can do very little without getting the cards to back it up.

I would say he is born with great analytical ability and ability to read what a player has based on what there betting style is.  There will be a certain percentage of players at a table will not know how to work out the pot odds so they will make mistakes in terms of over playing suited connectors etc. and will have virtually no chance of ever winning a tournament.  When it gets near the end all the players will know pot odds etc. so the edge they will have is on there ability to get the most chips when they are in front and lose as little as possible when they are behind.  As well as work out when the other player hasn't got much and they can push them off a hand.

Funny, I would say that he learned this.

He would probably have learned a lot of how to play poker but he would need to have been born with at least a very logical brain.  A lot of the the top poker players have graduated from university with top degrees and are seriously smart.  Andy Block was one of the famous MIT students who got banned from all the casinos for counting the cards at black jack.  Chris Ferguson has a PhD in computer science and writes analytical programmes on the best poker strategy.  Dan Harrington (Padraigs cousin) was a professional Backgammon player and Boston area Chess champion before he took up poker.

[Puckoon]

So Maiden1, what you're telling me is that you can pull 100% behind the theory that someone like Johnny Chan can be born with a sixth sense for playing poker, but the same man can't be born with just a lot of luck?

I can't see how one is more plausible than the other!

Reading players is all and well, but you can do very little without getting the cards to back it up.

I would say he is born with great analytical ability and ability to read what a player has based on what there betting style is.  There will be a certain percentage of players at a table will not know how to work out the pot odds so they will make mistakes in terms of over playing suited connectors etc. and will have virtually no chance of ever winning a tournament.  When it gets near the end all the players will know pot odds etc. so the edge they will have is on there ability to get the most chips when they are in front and lose as little as possible when they are behind.  As well as work out when the other player hasn't got much and they can push them off a hand.

Funny, I would say that he learned this.

He would probably have learned a lot of how to play poker but he would need to have been born with at least a very logical brain.  A lot of the the top poker players have graduated from university with top degrees and are seriously smart.  Andy Block was one of the famous MIT students who got banned from all the casinos for counting the cards at black jack.  Chris Ferguson has a PhD in computer science and writes analytical programmes on the best poker strategy.  Dan Harrington (Padraigs cousin) was a professional Backgammon player and Boston area Chess champion before he took up poker.

[David McKeown]

Maiden - you are either incredibly great at playing Ace king (which some players are) or you are a player who will always over play it. What do you do if the flop comes Ace, 2, 10 and you bet and I raise you?

Ace king is a hard hand to get off, unless you can accurately read your opponent hasnt hit two pair, or trips. I personally think its a nightmare hand, and I will play it heads up or if I think I have everyone dominated, but in a 3-4 handed flop I will generally lay it down unless i flop the nuts.

Ill raise with ace king, (or limp and re raise if I sense weakness) or ill call a bet with it. But I wouldnt generally call an all in with Ace king, or call a re raise with ace king unless I was short stacked.

Although, I am generally playing no limit cash games, not tournaments (Id play Ace king a bit more in tournaments)

How I would play AK would depend on a lot more than solely the cards there no least the table images we had both cultivated your general demeanor etc. 

The skill for me in the game is me outplaying you. i.e. if I think Im ahead and Im not then you've outskilled me especially if I pay you off which I will, likewise if i think im behind and I am and fold or i think im behind and i am but i make you think im ahead then Ive outskilled you (if you fold), etc thats why I feel the game is mostly skill.  I would always make the suggestion though that you rarely win a poker tournament getting lucky but you can quite often lose one by getting unlucky

[Gnevin]

So Maiden1, what you're telling me is that you can pull 100% behind the theory that someone like Johnny Chan can be born with a sixth sense for playing poker, but the same man can't be born with just a lot of luck?

I can't see how one is more plausible than the other!

Reading players is all and well, but you can do very little without getting the cards to back it up.

There is no such thing as luck or being a lucky person . All there is is skill, ability and chance of the moment.

[ludermor]

Ah come on now!!

[DrinkingHarp]

So Maiden1, what you're telling me is that you can pull 100% behind the theory that someone like Johnny Chan can be born with a sixth sense for playing poker, but the same man can't be born with just a lot of luck?

I can't see how one is more plausible than the other!

Reading players is all and well, but you can do very little without getting the cards to back it up.

There is no such thing as luck or being a lucky person . All there is is skill, ability and chance of the moment.

Luck is just preparation meeting time.

Although last night I raised preflop w/AA red and got 1 caller. flop comes As 5c 9h I go push pot, get repopped for an all in call. If he has trips I have him, possible straight draw, I go into the tank. Decide I will be chip leader and can win - call. He shows 10c kc, turn 2c river 7c-I'm out. WTF? He types I thought you were bluffing but I knew I had you .

[Puckoon]

Dh that's why I don't play online!

It's so much easier for those bad callers.