250,000 State employees on strike

[ludermor]

You would like to think so but wasnt there some issue last year where they forgot to apply VAT on figures

[Zapatista]

....travel and expenditure still need to be approved by senior management but my point is last year we were all in shock between lay offs, wage cuts etc and now due to that quick action the company saved millions and are now back on a safe footing......this has hapened all over the private sector and the companies that didnt act quickly are gone.going out of business and this is why the private sector expect the government to do the same as they did and get this turned around quickly by making the tough decisions now

This is in agreement with me. Good management. It wasn't a case of them acting quickly but moreso them acting properly. In the public sector the ludicrous bonuses were paid in full to the management, even those who failed to perform. I'd say the expenses in your company were always more scrutinised than what we seen in the case of FAS, JOD etc. It isn't a case of making a turn around to save public sector costs but more a case of bad management letting it reach a point of no return. I agree in cuts but I don't agree that they should be made by the untrustworthy management in place.. If this bad management and system remains in place we are fooked regardless of pay cuts. I have no doubt that the Government knew well in advance of any private company that we were about tho hit a wall yet they did nothing. As we approached an election we were told all was well and all will improve. The Government continued to promise and promise. If your company decided to ignore the danger and not put the changes in place they would be gone and the management with it. As in the case with the public sector they ignored and lied to us and are now making us responsible. We need to pay the bills but we need those responsible to be held to account first. Can you imagine if your management did nothing when they knew they were in trouble, give you a pay rise and told you it shouldn't be a problem if you bought a big house in the knowledge the company was in big trouble. Then one year later told you you are to take a pay cut and leave you up the swany? Who would be in the wrong?

[thebigfella]

....travel and expenditure still need to be approved by senior management but my point is last year we were all in shock between lay offs, wage cuts etc and now due to that quick action the company saved millions and are now back on a safe footing......this has hapened all over the private sector and the companies that didnt act quickly are gone.going out of business and this is why the private sector expect the government to do the same as they did and get this turned around quickly by making the tough decisions now

This is in agreement with me. Good management. It wasn't a case of them acting quickly but moreso them acting properly. In the public sector the ludicrous bonuses were paid in full to the management, even those who failed to perform. I'd say the expenses in your company were always more scrutinised than what we seen in the case of FAS, JOD etc. It isn't a case of making a turn around to save public sector costs but more a case of bad management letting it reach a point of no return. I agree in cuts but I don't agree that they should be made by the untrustworthy management in place.. If this bad management and system remains in place we are fooked regardless of pay cuts. I have no doubt that the Government knew well in advance of any private company that we were about tho hit a wall yet they did nothing. As we approached an election we were told all was well and all will improve. The Government continued to promise and promise. If your company decided to ignore the danger and not put the changes in place they would be gone and the management with it. As in the case with the public sector they ignored and lied to us and are now making us responsible. We need to pay the bills but we need those responsible to be held to account first. Can you imagine if your management did nothing when they knew they were in trouble, give you a pay rise and told you it shouldn't be a problem if you bought a big house in the knowledge the company was in big trouble. Then one year later told you you are to take a pay cut and leave you up the swany? Who would be in the wrong?

I take it from that your inferring the company is at fault for letting you take out the big mortgage?

[Bacon]

I take it from that you inferring the company is at fault for letting you take out the big mortgage?

Now that is bazaar!

[The Watcher Pat]

[Billys Boots]

That's what's wrong with this feckin country - no-one will take responsibility for their actions, especially those that don't believe they've any culpability (even though they voted for the gombeens, again and again and again). 

[Captain Scarlet]

There was a lot of fools that left themselves very open for ridicule last day of action as they hit the batter in coppers on Monday before dying in bed when they should have been picketing. Now this arguement has run its course but surely the civil servants could do something useful like volunteering to help flood victims around the country intead of walking around in a circle outside their workplace.
Now I know it is not even close to their responsibility but even as a PR exercise it would do them no harm. I know lots of teachers last day out that weren't arsed getting up out of bed last Tuesday and it made their cause look very stupid. Just a thought here

[Lecale2]

Didn't the Council workers in Athlone refuse to help the flood victems in the town during that last strike?

I don't think the unions involved give a shite about PR.

[Zapatista]

Didn't the Council workers in Athlone refuse to help the flood victems in the town during that last strike?

I don't think the unions involved give a shite about PR.

Did they? Were did you hear that?

[Lecale2]

Didn't the Council workers in Athlone refuse to help the flood victems in the town during that last strike?

I don't think the unions involved give a shite about PR.

Did they? Were did you hear that?

RTE Radio 1.

[Zapatista]

Didn't the Council workers in Athlone refuse to help the flood victems in the town during that last strike?

I don't think the unions involved give a shite about PR.

Did they? Were did you hear that?

RTE Radio 1.

Can't find it anywhere online. Lots of links to Cowen getting heckled by the victims but nothing about Council workers refusing to help the victims. It might be true but I doubt anyone from Athlone would refuse to help the flood victims.

[An Gaeilgoir]

Didn't the Council workers in Athlone refuse to help the flood victems in the town during that last strike?

I don't think the unions involved give a shite about PR.

Did they? Were did you hear that?

RTE Radio 1.

Can't find it anywhere online. Lots of links to Cowen getting heckled by the victims but nothing about Council workers refusing to help the victims. It might be true but I doubt anyone from Athlone would refuse to help the flood victims.

Lecale2 is right, the county council workers remained on strike instead of helping out. i know thisas friends of mine in Athlone are affected by the floods.

[Zapatista]

Lecale2 is right, the county council workers remained on strike instead of helping out. i know thisas friends of mine in Athlone are affected by the floods.

How do you know they didn't help out, maybe they were flooded too. Maybe they donated money or clothes etc. Because they remained on strike does not mean they refused to help out with the flood victims. Council workers live in Ireland too and there may have been flood victims on strike. I think these claims are part of the abuse of the flood crisis by the Government. The first houses were barely damp before they Govenment were using it as an excuse to call off the strike. We'd be better questioning how or why this shit happened rather than trying to score points off it.