Anthony Daly - The new Dublin hurling manager

Started by The Wedger, November 24, 2008, 09:37:20 PM

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Reillers

#75
Again can't find that either, are you sure you just weren't dreaming Indy?
Look I'd like to sit here listening to you moaning all night but some of us have to get up for work tomorrow morning, we didn't have all of Easter break off like yourself. You clearly didn't get much sleep over those 2 or 1 week off, whatever it was, because I say well done Dublin and you've a hissy fit. Clearly it's much past your bed time.
Sure maybe you were telling another little fib, that you actually are involved with Dublin minor, playing minor..God I remember those days, funnily enough I played minor myself for a while, a good few years ago now, and I don't know if you could call it playing, never lasted that long. Lol.

EddieMerx

Delighted for the Dubs, I didn't see the game so can't comment on whether the Cats were up for it or not but even if the Cats dipped to 70% then losing by 2 points is a great result. The Cats I can tell your are a good 10 points ahead of most even at 70%-80%. What Dublin have done for hurling should be hailed for what it is, amazing. Unlike most counties kids are not born with a hurley in their hand, their is no field at the back of their house to spend their evenings pucking a ball around. Hurling is not even a glamorous sport in Dublin with Gaelic Football, Rugby and Soccer the trendy sports. Logistics in Dublin is a nightmare, imagine arriving home from work or School and then having to spend 2 hours in rush hour traffic just to travel 10 miles to train. The commitment these guys put in is probably above any other county as I know when I was hurling I use to bitch and moan travelling across the city to train in UCD with my fellow Dublin based Clubmen for one evening a week, if I had to do it for more than one evening I probably would have told them where to go.

bottlethrower7

Its a shame Dublin didn't play a conventional 15-a-side formation. They're good enough to have given that Kilkenny a right old rattle yesterday. After 15 minutes of the game, dotsy and Tracey were very much living on scraps, though they did very well with the plentiful ball that the KK back spilled time and time again.

Hurling is about outscoring your opposition, not outdefending them. I think Dublin would have had a better chance of winning this if McCaffrey played where he was meant to and Dublin had a 3-man full forward. The tactic stinks of Humphrey Kelleher and Dublin don't need to adopt it - particularly in the first half when they had the wind and the sun. Its tantamount with having your forwards play with one hand behind their back. And it speaks volumes for the lads inside that they did as well as they did despite being badly outnumbered.

This game was won in the last 10 minutes of the first half. Kilkenny completely overran the Dublin defense. I feared for Dublin at that stage. But they really knuckled down and got stuck right in in the second half. Kilkenny were poor, yes. They barely had a midfield. The half-back line was leaking, the full-back line did a lot of fumbling, and you'd have to wonder about the wisdom of leaving Canice Hickey on Dotsy given the difference in pace.

Eoin Larkin was the man though. His class was the difference. He is a joy to watch. Even in games where he'll duck out of sight for a time.

The ref was poor. Kilkenny will probably have more gripes with him than Dublin. His 'interpretation' of fouls at times was fairly baffling while at other times choosing to completely ignore some of the stuff that was going on.

Dublin should really make a go of that second spot in Leinster now. And I include Galway in that. Its time for Dublin to put their money where their mouths are and consolidate this good league run by giving the championship a good old rattle.

Declan

QuoteIts a shame Dublin didn't play a conventional 15-a-side formation.They're good enough to have given that Kilkenny a right old rattle yesterday.

Wasn't down at the game BT but all the reports said that it was precisely the formation that enabled them to get so close to Kilkenny???

bottlethrower7

Quote from: Declan on April 20, 2009, 11:34:06 AM
QuoteIts a shame Dublin didn't play a conventional 15-a-side formation.They're good enough to have given that Kilkenny a right old rattle yesterday.

Wasn't down at the game BT but all the reports said that it was precisely the formation that enabled them to get so close to Kilkenny???

I disagree. It was defensive. Yes, it took KK a while to adapt but after 15 mins Dublin were living off scraps up front. If they had have been more attack-minded they could have won.

just my opinion of course, but I hate those negative tactics. I have only seen them work a couple of times, and even those were more to do with other extenuating circumstances.

Packing your defense is almost an admission that you think you need 16 men to beat your opposition. I think Dublin have shown enough this year to suggest they are a match for anyone, particularly in the league.

And whatever about doing it in one half, when playing into the breeze, doing it for the whole game just doesn't make sense. As I said, it smacks of Humphrey Kelleher.

Gnevin

Quote from: bottlethrower7 on April 20, 2009, 11:38:02 AM
Quote from: Declan on April 20, 2009, 11:34:06 AM
QuoteIts a shame Dublin didn't play a conventional 15-a-side formation.They're good enough to have given that Kilkenny a right old rattle yesterday.

Wasn't down at the game BT but all the reports said that it was precisely the formation that enabled them to get so close to Kilkenny???

I disagree. It was defensive. Yes, it took KK a while to adapt but after 15 mins Dublin were living off scraps up front. If they had have been more attack-minded they could have won.

just my opinion of course, but I hate those negative tactics. I have only seen them work a couple of times, and even those were more to do with other extenuating circumstances.

Packing your defense is almost an admission that you think you need 16 men to beat your opposition. I think Dublin have shown enough this year to suggest they are a match for anyone, particularly in the league.

And whatever about doing it in one half, when playing into the breeze, doing it for the whole game just doesn't make sense. As I said, it smacks of Humphrey Kelleher.

I think your over selling how far Dublin have come and under selling  how good Kilkenny are. Playing 7 back was a smart move.
Anyway, long story short... is a phrase whose origins are complicated and rambling.

INDIANA

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Quote from: bottlethrower7 on April 20, 2009, 11:38:02 AM
Quote from: Declan on April 20, 2009, 11:34:06 AM
QuoteIts a shame Dublin didn't play a conventional 15-a-side formation.They're good enough to have given that Kilkenny a right old rattle yesterday.

Wasn't down at the game BT but all the reports said that it was precisely the formation that enabled them to get so close to Kilkenny???

I disagree. It was defensive. Yes, it took KK a while to adapt but after 15 mins Dublin were living off scraps up front. If they had have been more attack-minded they could have won.

just my opinion of course, but I hate those negative tactics. I have only seen them work a couple of times, and even those were more to do with other extenuating circumstances.

Packing your defense is almost an admission that you think you need 16 men to beat your opposition. I think Dublin have shown enough this year to suggest they are a match for anyone, particularly in the league.

And whatever about doing it in one half, when playing into the breeze, doing it for the whole game just doesn't make sense. As I said, it smacks of Humphrey Kelleher.


Couldn't disagree more. the reason we stayed in the game yesterday was because it took them 69 mins to score goals.You concede 2 early goals against kilkenny as cork and tipp saw in the last few weeks- its goodnight irene. We were missing our first choice full back and had a 19/20 year old at corner back. Our full back line is still an issue and I think Daly wanted to protect that yesterday. In view of that it was worth trying and in my view it worked based on what I've read and been told.
We've been leaking goals in the league- and it cost us the tipp game. Agree about Galway. If Dublin beat Antrim I'd like them to get Galway- may as well see where we are at that stage as any other and really test ourselves.

INDIANA

Quote from: hatchetfield on April 20, 2009, 12:58:46 PM
So, do ye think Antrim will be a walkover for ye lads?

Absolutely not- just look at the recent games between the teams. Not looking beyond that.

maxpower

As i wasn't at the game i'll not comment on the effectiveness of the tactic, but i certainly wouldn't have been surprised Daly used it, he did it with Clare and very nearly turned KK in the Championship a few years ago and so with a less traditional team he was alwaysl ikely to repeat it.

Also Dublin i thought had little to win in this match and plenty to lose, a big stuffing by Kilkenny at this stage could have undone alot of the progress the Dubs had made in earilier rounds.   think daly would have taken any result where the difference was single figures yesterday morning

As it turns out an almost terrific and further boosts the confidence of Antrims opponents in Leinster
What happens next????

bottlethrower7

Quote from: INDIANA on April 20, 2009, 01:15:48 PM
Quote from: bottlethrower7 on April 20, 2009, 11:38:02 AM
Quote from: Declan on April 20, 2009, 11:34:06 AM
QuoteIts a shame Dublin didn't play a conventional 15-a-side formation.They're good enough to have given that Kilkenny a right old rattle yesterday.

Wasn't down at the game BT but all the reports said that it was precisely the formation that enabled them to get so close to Kilkenny???

I disagree. It was defensive. Yes, it took KK a while to adapt but after 15 mins Dublin were living off scraps up front. If they had have been more attack-minded they could have won.

just my opinion of course, but I hate those negative tactics. I have only seen them work a couple of times, and even those were more to do with other extenuating circumstances.

Packing your defense is almost an admission that you think you need 16 men to beat your opposition. I think Dublin have shown enough this year to suggest they are a match for anyone, particularly in the league.

And whatever about doing it in one half, when playing into the breeze, doing it for the whole game just doesn't make sense. As I said, it smacks of Humphrey Kelleher.


Couldn't disagree more. the reason we stayed in the game yesterday was because it took them 69 mins to score goals.You concede 2 early goals against kilkenny as cork and tipp saw in the last few weeks- its goodnight irene. We were missing our first choice full back and had a 19/20 year old at corner back. Our full back line is still an issue and I think Daly wanted to protect that yesterday. In view of that it was worth trying and in my view it worked based on what I've read and been told.
We've been leaking goals in the league- and it cost us the tipp game. Agree about Galway. If Dublin beat Antrim I'd like them to get Galway- may as well see where we are at that stage as any other and really test ourselves.

Dublin lost the game though so it didn't work. Clearly.

Dublin conceded 1-22 yesterday (or whatever the score was). They wouldn't have conceded much more without McCaffrey back there. More of a push up front was needed.

I've watched Dublin hurling long enough to know that Dublin have never had a problem being competitive around the field. The problem has been scoring. And when finally they get picked off by a persistent opposition the heads drop and it can turn into a hammering. Dublin need to be scoring to have any chance of beating the bigger guns. Not limiting the damage.


bottlethrower7

Quote from: Gnevin on April 20, 2009, 12:33:49 PM
Quote from: bottlethrower7 on April 20, 2009, 11:38:02 AM
Quote from: Declan on April 20, 2009, 11:34:06 AM
QuoteIts a shame Dublin didn't play a conventional 15-a-side formation.They're good enough to have given that Kilkenny a right old rattle yesterday.

Wasn't down at the game BT but all the reports said that it was precisely the formation that enabled them to get so close to Kilkenny???

I disagree. It was defensive. Yes, it took KK a while to adapt but after 15 mins Dublin were living off scraps up front. If they had have been more attack-minded they could have won.

just my opinion of course, but I hate those negative tactics. I have only seen them work a couple of times, and even those were more to do with other extenuating circumstances.

Packing your defense is almost an admission that you think you need 16 men to beat your opposition. I think Dublin have shown enough this year to suggest they are a match for anyone, particularly in the league.

And whatever about doing it in one half, when playing into the breeze, doing it for the whole game just doesn't make sense. As I said, it smacks of Humphrey Kelleher.

I think your over selling how far Dublin have come and under selling  how good Kilkenny are. Playing 7 back was a smart move.

I'm talking about yesterday's game. Thats all. Dublin lost, so it wasn't a smart move.

heffo

Quote from: bottlethrower7 on April 20, 2009, 02:33:15 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on April 20, 2009, 12:33:49 PM
Quote from: bottlethrower7 on April 20, 2009, 11:38:02 AM
Quote from: Declan on April 20, 2009, 11:34:06 AM
QuoteIts a shame Dublin didn't play a conventional 15-a-side formation.They're good enough to have given that Kilkenny a right old rattle yesterday.

Wasn't down at the game BT but all the reports said that it was precisely the formation that enabled them to get so close to Kilkenny???

I disagree. It was defensive. Yes, it took KK a while to adapt but after 15 mins Dublin were living off scraps up front. If they had have been more attack-minded they could have won.

just my opinion of course, but I hate those negative tactics. I have only seen them work a couple of times, and even those were more to do with other extenuating circumstances.

Packing your defense is almost an admission that you think you need 16 men to beat your opposition. I think Dublin have shown enough this year to suggest they are a match for anyone, particularly in the league.

And whatever about doing it in one half, when playing into the breeze, doing it for the whole game just doesn't make sense. As I said, it smacks of Humphrey Kelleher.

I think your over selling how far Dublin have come and under selling  how good Kilkenny are. Playing 7 back was a smart move.

I'm talking about yesterday's game. Thats all. Dublin lost, so it wasn't a smart move.

Not necessarily - it could've been worse has McCaffrey not been used as a sweeper..

INDIANA

Quote from: bottlethrower7 on April 20, 2009, 02:33:15 PM
Quote from: Gnevin on April 20, 2009, 12:33:49 PM
Quote from: bottlethrower7 on April 20, 2009, 11:38:02 AM
Quote from: Declan on April 20, 2009, 11:34:06 AM
QuoteIts a shame Dublin didn't play a conventional 15-a-side formation.They're good enough to have given that Kilkenny a right old rattle yesterday.

Wasn't down at the game BT but all the reports said that it was precisely the formation that enabled them to get so close to Kilkenny???

I disagree. It was defensive. Yes, it took KK a while to adapt but after 15 mins Dublin were living off scraps up front. If they had have been more attack-minded they could have won.

just my opinion of course, but I hate those negative tactics. I have only seen them work a couple of times, and even those were more to do with other extenuating circumstances.

Packing your defense is almost an admission that you think you need 16 men to beat your opposition. I think Dublin have shown enough this year to suggest they are a match for anyone, particularly in the league.

And whatever about doing it in one half, when playing into the breeze, doing it for the whole game just doesn't make sense. As I said, it smacks of Humphrey Kelleher.

I think your over selling how far Dublin have come and under selling  how good Kilkenny are. Playing 7 back was a smart move.

I'm talking about yesterday's game. Thats all. Dublin lost, so it wasn't a smart move.

Was anyone expecting us to win? We'll agree to disagree but in my view if kilkenny score a couple of early goals its end game. The fact they didn't meant we were able to hang in there. I'm not saying it would work again-but it served its purpose yesterday. A 20 point hammering would have left us with an awful lot to do come championship time. people have to remember that was summer hurling yesterday- not slow ground in the depths of winter. So a good day out in my view. I'd say Daly was afraid of his life of being beaten out the gate- and who could blame him after the Cork and Tipp games in Nowlan Park.