Is Lucas a 'Bigot' ?

[Evil Genius]

Start your own thread if you want to talk about this
You are hijacking this thread to suit your own agenda.......

I am doing no such thing. I was debating only the subject of this thread - the radio programme and how best to deal with it etc - when Main Street accused me of being a bigot. When I asked for evidence, he carefully selected, out of context, some highly edited extracts from a post I had made on another Board entirely (i.e. which 99% of the users of this Board won't have seen).

Therefore, all I was doing was defending myself in the face of misrepresentation and distortion. If you are unhappy with that, then I suggest you take it up with Main Street.

[full back]

I was debating only the subject of this thread - the radio programme and how best to deal with it etc -

Oh, thats right you told me to listen to another radio station

[Evil Genius]

Because I am unhappy about an elected Unionist politician being a bigot towards the GAA, and I decided to post it on a GAA discussion board I am at fault
FFS 

You miss the point entirely. When you draw attention to Lucas's ranting on a Board like this, you are "preaching to the converted". Which is why no-one sought to defend him. Fair enough, but what Donal, Myles TS and I and others are saying is that that is ultimately pretty pointless.

If you want an answer to your opening question: "Bigotry - Will it ever end?", then the best thing you or anyone else can do to bring it to an end would be to challenge Lucas and his type directly, and/or the station for allowing him airtime.

Yet when I make this point, that somehow makes me the bigot?  

[mylestheslasher]

This thread - Will it ever end?

[Gaoth Dobhair Abu]

If that is so, then I will withdraw my above remarks in the context of Pomeroy. However, I will say two things in my defence.
First, the whole issue of Pomeroy was raised earlier on that thread by a poster who said: "See Pomeroy at the weekend. Do you think it is right for a GAA club to host such an event?" The poster in question is actually a Nationalist from the Republic (though not a GAA fan).
Second, even if the GAA had no connection whatever with that particular commemoration, I feel the overall sentiment stands, since there are numerous other occasions when the GAA and/or its clubs have clearly associated themselves with individuals, organisations and events surrounding the IRA and INLA etc.

This poster you are quoting EG is vehemently opposed to the GAA at all levels, therefore I hardly think that his view carries much weight, in the context your using it. 

[Main Street]

Its quite clear that EG has a poisoned pen when it comes to GAA.
The fact that he may be a bit milder than the usual bigot is no defense.

He will throw out unsubstantiated accusations branding members of the GAA "who happily endorse ruthless would-be murderers"  ONLY equalled by the number not supporting ruthless terrorists.
Only equalled
Then he goes onto to write further crap.

I have no inclination to quote stuff from other sites but he asked for it
as in, he asked for it.

Personally I am fed up with this apparent hypocrisy where he will then come here and condescend to tell another poster to turn it off when such bigotry is given public air time.

[full back]

If you want an answer to your opening question: "Bigotry - Will it ever end?", then the best thing you or anyone else can do to bring it to an end would be to challenge Lucas and his type directly, and/or the station for allowing him airtime.

Just changed the title of the thread for you
Once you answer we can lock the thread, because honest the fcuk you are boring & draining the life out of me...

[nifan]

Seriously this is a discussion board - if people want to talk about some loon they heard on the radio so be it.
You may suggest listening to other stations EG, but the fact is that people like this are out there and that is a problem.

Coming from OWC you know some of the histironics thrown there over radio/tv and even milder slights against us - it is par for the course.

As long as people dont throw views like this guy holds as the views of all prods I dont have a problem with bringing it up and calling out their bigotry.

[full back]

Seriously this is a discussion board - if people want to talk about some loon they heard on the radio so be it.
You may suggest listening to other stations EG, but the fact is that people like this are out there and that is a problem.

Coming from OWC you know some of the histironics thrown there over radio/tv and even milder slights against us - it is par for the course.

As long as people dont throw views like this guy holds as the views of all prods I dont have a problem with bringing it up and calling out their bigotry.

Well said ni, at least you have a balanced view & can call a spade a spade

[Evil Genius]

Its quite clear that EG has a poisoned pen when it comes to GAA.
The fact that he may be a bit milder than the usual bigot is no defense.

Fine. That is your opinion. I am quite happy to let others judge me on what I post. That's all of what I post, mind, not just carefully selected extracts, taken out of context, in such a way as distorts what I mean to say.

He will throw out unsubstantiated accusations branding members of the GAA "who happily endorse ruthless would-be murderers"  ONLY equalled by the number not supporting ruthless terrorists.
Only equalled
Then he goes onto to write further crap.

How on earth can you come to that conclusion when I said that "many more" will be appalled etc? "Many more" is greater than "many". Besides, I was careful to preface this remark with:
"I think it is also a mistake to see the entire organisation as having one mind and soul" i.e. I was rejecting another poster's claim that the GAA, and by extension all its members, "support terrorism" because of various instances of associations between the GAA and (what iI prefer to see as) terrorist organisations.
It's hardly my fault if you only read what you want to read from my posts, so as to reinforce your preconceived ideas about what me and my type must be like.

I have no inclination to quote stuff from other sites but he asked for it
as in, he asked for it.

I didn't ask to be misrepresented.

Personally I am fed up with this apparent hypocrisy where he will then come here and condescend to tell another poster to turn it off when such bigotry is given public air time.

Oh ffs, I'm not in any position to "tell" FB to "do" anything, since he will do whatever he likes. I merely offered the opinion that listening to such stations is what sustains them, so if he's not going to do something constructive like phoning in or lobbying the station directly, then he'd actually be better off listening to another station.
Quite honestly, it's like someone who uses prostitutes complaining that they spread the pox...  
(And before anyone jumps in, that was just a metaphor. I'm not claiming that FB uses them, or has the pox. Clear?)

[Evil Genius]

If you want an answer to your opening question: "Bigotry - Will it ever end?", then the best thing you or anyone else can do to bring it to an end would be to challenge Lucas and his type directly, and/or the station for allowing him airtime.

Just changed the title of the thread for you
Once you answer we can lock the thread, because honest the fcuk you are boring & draining the life out of me...

Thank you. From what you report, it would appear that Lucas does possess some offensive, even bigoted views. Happy?

[Evil Genius]

Seriously this is a discussion board - if people want to talk about some loon they heard on the radio so be it.

Of course. But being of the opinion that a certain discussion is misplaced, even pointless, is NOT the same as saying it shouldn't be conducted at all.

You may suggest listening to other stations EG, but the fact is that people like this are out there and that is a problem.

Of course such people are out there. But in the end, they rely on having a platform from which to spout their views. I am merely saying it is better not to give them one. Of course, it would be different if we were talking about a public service broadcaster, but this is a commercial station, which means that challenging them directly, and/or avoiding them, is the best way to take away the platform from the likes of Lucas.

Coming from OWC you know some of the histironics thrown there over radio/tv and even milder slights against us - it is par for the course.

These histrionics don't come from me. For example, when various posters complained about e.g. Sky Sports never mentioning the NI football team, at the same time as devoting extensive coverage to the ROI team, my attitude was "Fine. They're a commercial station, they can cover whoever they like. And anyone who doesn't like it can cancel their subscription."

As long as people dont throw views like this guy holds as the views of all prods I dont have a problem with bringing it up and calling out their bigotry.

Obviously. But in case you have missed it as well, not only am I not defending this guy, but I have quite clearly condemned him.

[donalmac99]

Was listening to the radio on the way to work (think it was U105) & some boy, who I can only describe as a complete cnut, called Lucas was on.
He was yapping about Ariel washing powder having some connection to the GAA & calling for them to end their association immediately, because of links the GAA have with terrorism (Kevin Lynch club & the rally in Casement)
The radio presenter went on to mention all the local & national companies that were affiliated to the GAA & Lucas didnt have a f**king clue. When pressed he then said all these companies should sever their links to the GAA (Vodafone, BOI etc)
When told that one of the biggest trophies in the GAA was named after a Protesteant/Presbyterian he obviously didnt know this & said 'Oh, is it?'
How the fcuk are we ever going to move on from the dark ages if pr1cks like this are allowed air time?A bigot of the highest f**king order
Rant over

amazing, considering that you are now giving the p***k 'airtime' with this post

Whats amazing donal?

you are complaining that he got airtime to argue his ridiculous case, yet you post it on here and broadcast it to an even wider audience that were unaware of it.

You are like eg
Because I am unhappy about an elected Unionist politician being a bigot towards the GAA, and I decided to post it on a GAA discussion board I am at fault
FFS 

wrong, i think he's a bigot also. i just think that there's an irony within a post asking why give him airtime, yet at the same time you errmmm give him airtime.

[full back]

I must say you have quite clearly condemned him:

"it would appear that Lucas does possess some offensive, even bigoted views"

You shouldnt be so strong in your condemnation

[full back]

i just think that there's an irony within a post asking why give him airtime, yet at the same time you errmmm give him airtime.

What irony...
Im reporting on a GAA board what he said about the GAA
Perfectly acceptable in my book...