Voices from the grave - Rte1 Tuesday 26th October - 10.15pm

[Hereiam]

Still reading through the history of Ireland and it is unreal how histroy is repeating itself, back in the 1800's they renamed the police force, they tried to bring in intergrated education and off course the famine, only this time it will be a financial famine that will inflict pain on Ireland. What has changed over the last 800 yrs, nothing. We go about our lives thinking that everything is all rosie, I am certain the people of Ireland had these times as well back 100-200 yrs ago but this place will always be in termoil until the British government get out and have no say in any part of this land.
I think Adams done what he had to do to move S.F on as a political party because he knew what the British government was capable of. To the worlds media they come across as all proper and these are all bad people they are dealing with while tying to make everyones lives better but the British government are rotten to the core always have been and always will be.

[stew]

Still reading through the history of Ireland and it is unreal how histroy is repeating itself, back in the 1800's they renamed the police force, they tried to bring in intergrated education and off course the famine, only this time it will be a financial famine that will inflict pain on Ireland. What has changed over the last 800 yrs, nothing. We go about our lives thinking that everything is all rosie, I am certain the people of Ireland had these times as well back 100-200 yrs ago but this place will always be in termoil until the British government get out and have no say in any part of this land.
I think Adams done what he had to do to move S.F on as a political party because he knew what the British government was capable of. To the worlds media they come across as all proper and these are all bad people they are dealing with while tying to make everyones lives better but the British government are rotten to the core always have been and always will be.

I never voted for the shinners in my life but I would have to say i would believe Adams over this guy all day long and twice on sundays, that said the irish have been afraid of what the brits are capable of for far too long, they dont want to be in the six anymore, we cost too much and we have to strike now and give them the opportunity to leave.
The time is right for the brits to feck off from our shores, they are bankrupt morally and financially thanks to thatchers and labours legacy and we need to gain our independence based off their vulnerability at this juncture.

[Minder]

Stew - "this guy" is not some Joe Bloggs. He was one of the most respected, in Republican circles, volunteers  of the troubles. I would say there is still that respect in certain quarters of Sinn Fein, in private at least. Hughes had his beliefs and he didn't sit in the bar talking about what he would do. Mind you he spent a fair while in his later years drunk and regaling the locals of his exploits. I am not sure any of them would begrudge him that. Just because someone has an "axe to grind" does not automatically make them a liar. Not that Sinn Fein will lose any votes worth talking about, perhaps that says more about the electorate.

[Zapatista]

Stew - "this guy" is not some Joe Bloggs. He was one of the most respected, in Republican circles, volunteers  of the troubles. I would say there is still that respect in certain quarters of Sinn Fein, in private at least. Hughes had his beliefs and he didn't sit in the bar talking about what he would do. Mind you he spent a fair while in his later years drunk and regaling the locals of his exploits. I am not sure any of them would begrudge him that. Just because someone has an "axe to grind" does not automatically make them a liar. Not that Sinn Fein will lose any votes worth talking about, perhaps that says more about the electorate.

It says nothing about the electorate. Hughes opinion was at odds with the electorate. Regardless of how highly regarded he was/is it had little to do with his politics and more to do with his actions during the war. Hughes was a volunteer and a soldier not a politician.

[Minder]

When I said Sinn Fein, I should have said Gerry Adams. It wouldn't matter what it transpired Gerry Adams did, he wouldn't lose a vote worth talking about. Any votes he did lose would be replaced by new voters that will vote Sinn Fein.

[Zapatista]

Still reading through the history of Ireland and it is unreal how histroy is repeating itself, back in the 1800's they renamed the police force, they tried to bring in intergrated education and off course the famine, only this time it will be a financial famine that will inflict pain on Ireland. What has changed over the last 800 yrs, nothing. We go about our lives thinking that everything is all rosie, I am certain the people of Ireland had these times as well back 100-200 yrs ago but this place will always be in termoil until the British government get out and have no say in any part of this land.
I think Adams done what he had to do to move S.F on as a political party because he knew what the British government was capable of. To the worlds media they come across as all proper and these are all bad people they are dealing with while tying to make everyones lives better but the British government are rotten to the core always have been and always will be.

Not a very detailed book is it?

[ziggysego]

I clean forgot all about it. Is it repeated at any stage?

[Jim_Murphy_74]

sf are sell outs, that's a fact. 

Depends on what is being "sold out": violent, physical force, "Brits Out" republicanism.....most definitely

However, implementing the GFA agreement as voted for by the majority of people on this island cannot be "selling out" the Irish people or the Irish Republic.

/Jim.

[Jim_Murphy_74]

The time is right for the brits to feck off from our shores, they are bankrupt morally and financially thanks to thatchers and labours legacy and we need to gain our independence based off their vulnerability at this juncture.

Would this be a few hundred mandarins above in Stormont or all 900,000+ Brits living in Northern Ireland?

/Jim.

[ardmhachaabu]

sf are sell outs, that's a fact. 

Depends on what is being "sold out": violent, physical force, "Brits Out" republicanism.....most definitely

However, implementing the GFA agreement as voted for by the majority of people on this island cannot be "selling out" the Irish people or the Irish Republic.

/Jim.

What I meant is that they no longer have any interest in a UI, never mind a 32 county socialist republic.  FTR I am all for the implementation of the GFA as I believe it will eventually bring about a more equitable society in the north.  I think that's the only vehicle whereby a UI can be brought about in the long run

[Massey-135]

sf are sell outs, that's a fact. 

Depends on what is being "sold out": violent, physical force, "Brits Out" republicanism.....most definitely

However, implementing the GFA agreement as voted for by the majority of people on this island cannot be "selling out" the Irish people or the Irish Republic.

/Jim.

What I meant is that they no longer have any interest in a UI, never mind a 32 county socialist republic.   FTR I am all for the implementation of the GFA as I believe it will eventually bring about a more equitable society in the north.  I think that's the only vehicle whereby a UI can be brought about in the long run

re: the bit in bold - what are you basing this assertion on?
and are you not contradicting yourself saying that Sinn Fein have sold out on a united Ireland, but adding that the only way to achieve a united Ireland in the long run is the implementation of the GFA?