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[Doogie Browser]

Everything has to be about one-upmanship with EG, a very poor trait for someone to have IMO.

[Archie Mitchell]

I contacted City about this. They said that the local GAA club, St Lawrence's will be providing the coaching at the event, and it was City who approached St Lawrences to take part in the event.

[Evil Genius]

Everything has to be about one-upmanship with EG, a very poor trait for someone to have IMO.

So it's not about eg GAA expanding outside of Ireland, or funding of GAA, or the shared use of facilities, or reciprocation for co-operation and assistance etc etc etc.

Rather, it's all about me.

I suppose I might be flattered, were it not obvious that your post was just a transparent, indeed laughable, attempt to avoid facing the real issues under discussion...

[Doogie Browser]

Everything has to be about one-upmanship with EG, a very poor trait for someone to have IMO.

So it's not about eg GAA expanding outside of Ireland, or funding of GAA, or the shared use of facilities, or reciprocation for co-operation and assistance etc etc etc.

Rather, it's all about me.

I suppose I might be flattered, were it not obvious that your post was just a transparent, indeed laughable, attempt to avoid facing the real issues under discussion...

The above highlights exactly what I mean, I prob should have started a separate thread as I was not engaging with you on this actual issue and you would have noticed that if you read the thread.  You lack any humility whatsoever, you need to relax a little.

[Evil Genius]

Everything has to be about one-upmanship with EG, a very poor trait for someone to have IMO.

So it's not about eg GAA expanding outside of Ireland, or funding of GAA, or the shared use of facilities, or reciprocation for co-operation and assistance etc etc etc.

Rather, it's all about me.

I suppose I might be flattered, were it not obvious that your post was just a transparent, indeed laughable, attempt to avoid facing the real issues under discussion...

The above highlights exactly what I mean, I prob should have started a separate thread as I was not engaging with you on this actual issue and you would have noticed that if you read the thread.  You lack any humility whatsoever, you need to relax a little.

Throughout this thread, I have addressed the issues, without ever getting personal. You then turn it into an attack on me, which is somehow my fault...

Anyhow, any comment eg on the situation whereby GAC's in non-GAA strongholds are happy to rent soccer or rugby club facilities, or avail of soccer's assistance in running GAA coaching courses for kids etc, yet they will not rent out their own facilities to soccer or rugby clubs, or host mixed-sport kids' coaching etc, even in areas where Gaelic sports are predominant?

No?

[Doogie Browser]

Everything has to be about one-upmanship with EG, a very poor trait for someone to have IMO.

So it's not about eg GAA expanding outside of Ireland, or funding of GAA, or the shared use of facilities, or reciprocation for co-operation and assistance etc etc etc.

Rather, it's all about me.

I suppose I might be flattered, were it not obvious that your post was just a transparent, indeed laughable, attempt to avoid facing the real issues under discussion...

The above highlights exactly what I mean, I prob should have started a separate thread as I was not engaging with you on this actual issue and you would have noticed that if you read the thread.  You lack any humility whatsoever, you need to relax a little.

Throughout this thread, I have addressed the issues, without ever getting personal. You then turn it into an attack on me, which is somehow my fault...

Anyhow, any comment eg on the situation whereby GAC's in non-GAA strongholds are happy to rent soccer or rugby club facilities, or avail of soccer's assistance in running GAA coaching courses for kids etc, yet they will not rent out their own facilities to soccer or rugby clubs, or host mixed-sport kids' coaching etc, even in areas where Gaelic sports are predominant?

No?

As I said I should have started a sep thread addressing your lack of humility as I did not engage with you on this thread topic, but rather your patronising tone, you remind me of a certain former Unionist MEP in that regard.  Relax, take a nice Feast or Brunch in the sunshine. 

[lynchbhoy]

to be honest, and from my own experience in Munich, i don't find it 'curious', as you put it, that the GAA clubs need to use/rent soccer and rugby club facilities as gaelic pitches would not exactly be readily available in the likes of Europe and the UK, so the only alternative is to approach the clubs for use of their facilities. we would prefer not to have relied on them to provide these facilities, and have our own grounds, but the funds were just not available to do so.

So in places like GB/Europe, where GAA clubs are often short of funds, it's OK for them to go cap in hand to their local soccer or rugby club for help and assistance.

But in Ireland, where GAC's are often well off for funds, should a (poorer) local soccer or rugby club come to them for help or assistance, then they can bugger off.http://www.independent.ie/national-news/linfield-pitches-in-to-help-camogie-team-train-for-match-272264.html
versus
http://www.kerryman.ie/news/pitch-battle-gaa-and-soccer-club-in-dispute-1693508.html

Altogether now: "Neighbours, Everybody needs Good Neighbours..." 

incorrect

while the 'rules' may state that rugby and soccer cannot be played on GAA pitches, this is because of the reverse being true decades (centuries) ago when Gaelic games were outlawed and not allowed be played , then when 'legal' not allowed be played on soccer/rugby pitches.
However you will find that plenty of soccer / rugby teams are permitted to train and sometimes play on Football/Hurling pitches (often cannot commit to allowing a team to play a whole season as the seasons/games often overlapped and therefore GAA clubs could only offer a few games mid season to soccer/rugby clubs which isnt really any use, so soccer/rugby have to effectively go look for their own pitches as its not practical otherwise).

I know that soccer/rugby have been facilitiated in games/training in the following clubs in Leinster
Edenderry GFC co Offaly
St Coca's Kilcock co Kildare
Maynooth GAA co Kildare
Carbury GFC Co Kildare
Clogherinkoe GFC Co Kildare
St Brigids Kildare town
Naas  Co Kildare
Sarsfields Newbridge  Co Kildare
Trim Co Meath
Simonstown Navan Co Meath
St Colmkilles Laytown co meath

plus that club in Kerry WERE giving the use of its pitch until it needed it back

there are plenty other examples that I am sure people know about and like the rules /constitution stating that the GAA is a 'movement' for nationalism, a lot of these things are historical.

Reciprocation from soccer and rugby clubs is as forthcoming (sometimes and sometimes not) as accomodation for Gaelic games( football and hurling) are !
its not that you are lying, its that you just dont know what you are talking about here- or simply choose to believe what you want to believe !

[Evil Genius]

However you will find that plenty of soccer / rugby teams are permitted to train and sometimes play on Football/Hurling pitches

I know that soccer/rugby have been facilitiated in games/training in the following clubs in Leinster
Edenderry GFC co Offaly
St Coca's Kilcock co Kildare
Maynooth GAA co Kildare
Carbury GFC Co Kildare
Clogherinkoe GFC Co Kildare
St Brigids Kildare town
Naas  Co Kildare
Sarsfields Newbridge  Co Kildare
Trim Co Meath
Simonstown Navan Co Meath
St Colmkilles Laytown co meath

Fine. Does that mean that those clubs were breaking Rule 42, when it states that "GAA property may only be used for the purpose or in connection with the playing of games controlled by the association, and shall not be used or permitted to be used, for Horse Racing, Greyhound Racing, or for Field Games other than those sanctioned by Central Council"?

And if the Rules may blithely be disregarded, why all the fuss* about opening Croke Park temporarily to the FAI and IRFU?


* - I have no desire to open a debate as to whether  the GAA should have opened CP, but am merely questioning why one GAA facility (CP) should require prior sanction from Central Council before it may host non-GAA controlled Field Games, whereas other facilities, such as you mention, apparently do not.

[Jim_Murphy_74]

plus that club in Kerry WERE giving the use of its pitch until it needed it back

plus that club in Kerry tried to lock the rightful owners out of the facility.

/Jim.

[lynchbhoy]

However you will find that plenty of soccer / rugby teams are permitted to train and sometimes play on Football/Hurling pitches

I know that soccer/rugby have been facilitiated in games/training in the following clubs in Leinster
Edenderry GFC co Offaly
St Coca's Kilcock co Kildare
Maynooth GAA co Kildare
Carbury GFC Co Kildare
Clogherinkoe GFC Co Kildare
St Brigids Kildare town
Naas  Co Kildare
Sarsfields Newbridge  Co Kildare
Trim Co Meath
Simonstown Navan Co Meath
St Colmkilles Laytown co meath

Fine. Does that mean that those clubs were breaking Rule 42, when it states that "GAA property may only be used for the purpose or in connection with the playing of games controlled by the association, and shall not be used or permitted to be used, for Horse Racing, Greyhound Racing, or for Field Games other than those sanctioned by Central Council"?

And if the Rules may blithely be disregarded, why all the fuss* about opening Croke Park temporarily to the FAI and IRFU?


* - I have no desire to open a debate as to whether  the GAA should have opened CP, but am merely questioning why one GAA facility (CP) should require prior sanction from Central Council before it may host non-GAA controlled Field Games, whereas other facilities, such as you mention, apparently do not.

like the statement in the constitution, it means little or nothing.
Clubs were never penalised for flouting these rules and the collaboration was well known.

I suppose that there has to be more regulation over larger stadia as we know the soccer fraternity would 'cuckoo' at the first available opportunity then demand squatters rights (if not more) as Jim has pointed out. The irfu would not be as bad but their whinges seeking to open croke park doors didnt go unnoticed - but once they eventually agreed to pay for the priv it was no longer a sticking point !

I suppose its an 'Irish thing' that rules/laws being broken north and south in the past number of decades (in sporting and ordinary activities) and the culprits are known but never /suspended/arrested/taken to task/justice over the infringement !

[Evil Genius]

like the statement in the constitution, it means little or nothing.
Clubs were never penalised for flouting these rules and the collaboration was well known.

I suppose that there has to be more regulation over larger stadia as we know the soccer fraternity would 'cuckoo' at the first available opportunity then demand squatters rights (if not more) as Jim has pointed out. The irfu would not be as bad but their whinges seeking to open croke park doors didnt go unnoticed - but once they eventually agreed to pay for the priv it was no longer a sticking point !

I suppose its an 'Irish thing' that rules/laws being broken north and south in the past number of decades (in sporting and ordinary activities) and the culprits are known but never /suspended/arrested/taken to task/justice over the infringement !

So basically the Rulebook exists to make or reinforce a point when it suits, but may be entirely disregarded, er, when it suits...

Very convenient, that, since it appears to permit the GAA to proclaim itself entirely non-political and "open to all", whilst at the same time turning a complete blind eye when its member clubs organise this sort of event:

From the "Official Website of Ladies Gaelic Football":

"As we approach the 28th Anniversary of Volunteer Martin Hurson, who died on Hunger Strike on 13th July 1981, the family of Martin Hurson has launched the Annual Martin Hurson Memorial Cup.

This Gaelic Football Tournament now in its 24th year gathers together teams from throughout Tyrone and beyond annually to commemorate the memory of Martin Hurson. There are two tournaments played out each year the Ladies Cup and the Men's Cup.

All games are played in Pearse Park, Galbally, Co. Tyrone and we extend an open invitation to everyone to come along and support the participating teams throughout the tournament.

An historical exhibition of the 1981 Hunger Strike will be on show each night of the tournament"
http://www.ladiesgaelic.ie/news/newnews3206.html

P.S. This particular Irishman would prefer if it if you didn't call this sort of practice "an Irish thing"; perhaps "a Gaelic thing" might be more appropriate? 

[lynchbhoy]

like the statement in the constitution, it means little or nothing.
Clubs were never penalised for flouting these rules and the collaboration was well known.

I suppose that there has to be more regulation over larger stadia as we know the soccer fraternity would 'cuckoo' at the first available opportunity then demand squatters rights (if not more) as Jim has pointed out. The irfu would not be as bad but their whinges seeking to open croke park doors didnt go unnoticed - but once they eventually agreed to pay for the priv it was no longer a sticking point !

I suppose its an 'Irish thing' that rules/laws being broken north and south in the past number of decades (in sporting and ordinary activities) and the culprits are known but never /suspended/arrested/taken to task/justice over the infringement !

So basically the Rulebook exists to make or reinforce a point when it suits, but may be entirely disregarded, er, when it suits...

Very convenient, that, since it appears to permit the GAA to proclaim itself entirely non-political and "open to all", whilst at the same time turning a complete blind eye when its member clubs organise this sort of event:

From the "Official Website of Ladies Gaelic Football":

"As we approach the 28th Anniversary of Volunteer Martin Hurson, who died on Hunger Strike on 13th July 1981, the family of Martin Hurson has launched the Annual Martin Hurson Memorial Cup.

This Gaelic Football Tournament now in its 24th year gathers together teams from throughout Tyrone and beyond annually to commemorate the memory of Martin Hurson. There are two tournaments played out each year the Ladies Cup and the Men's Cup.

All games are played in Pearse Park, Galbally, Co. Tyrone and we extend an open invitation to everyone to come along and support the participating teams throughout the tournament.

An historical exhibition of the 1981 Hunger Strike will be on show each night of the tournament"
http://www.ladiesgaelic.ie/news/newnews3206.html

P.S. This particular Irishman would prefer if it if you didn't call this sort of practice "an Irish thing"; perhaps "a Gaelic thing" might be more appropriate? 

as said previously - you will believe what you want to believe and will try to insinuate what does not exist or is not there.
it might not be to your liking but people will generally try to help/accomodate others where possible.
when some unscrupulous parties seek to take advantage of such benevolence, then the 'rules' are really only there to enforce/stop these 'chancers'/cuckoo's from taking the p**s.
Its a pity you dont like to see such acts of kindness as it obv doesnt suit your agenda against the GAA !
Please try another method to attempt to 'discredit' the organisation.

As for your random piece out of left field - completely unrelated and showing you have bean beaten out the gate with your latest and futile attempt to paint the GAA in a bad light - what has the Martin hurson/Ladies GAA tournament/1981 hunger strike footage got to do with your point about the GAA allowing soccer and rugby onto its pitches?
Have you witnessed the content about this hunger strike presentation/show? if so please then comment on it, if not then maybe you could/should do so before your wide specuation (yet again all idle typing and no substance!)

finally it is an 'Irish thing' as I think we have seen blind eyes/deaf ears being shown throughout the country on various things ranging from sport, business and up to politics - either side of the border so its not just a Gaelic games, soccer or even rugby occurrence!


if you come up with something worth reponding to , then I'll do so otherwise maybe you and mutley go away and devise your next half baked 'cunning plan' !

[Rossfan]

We Irish had 800 years practice of circumventing "Rules" invented by EG's predecessors. 

[Keyser soze]

Am I the only one who thinks it not a little "curious" that GAA clubs happily rely on soccer and rugby clubs etc to organise GAA games etc, or permit GAA clubs to use/rent their facilities etc, yet there is a ban on GAA clubs returning the favour?

P.S. That was a strictly rhetorical question, designed to provoke thought not argument, and so does not require a reply.

On balance EG I have to agree with you.................


You are the only person who thinks it is curious!!