The Official Thread of Chelsea FC

[quit yo jibbajabba]

i read somewhere that there was history between ballack and boateng; anyone any detail on this?

wont get involved in the argument other than to say ballack has seriously went down in my estimation since he hit the premiership....used to be a big fan..

[nrico2006]

i read somewhere that there was history between ballack and boateng; anyone any detail on this?

wont get involved in the argument other than to say ballack has seriously went down in my estimation since he hit the premiership....used to be a big fan..

Agreed

[Norf Tyrone]

i read somewhere that there was history between ballack and boateng; anyone any detail on this?

wont get involved in the argument other than to say ballack has seriously went down in my estimation since he hit the premiership....used to be a big fan..

Or another way. I used to like Ballack until he joined Chelsea.

Seriously lads..... 

[ross4life]

isn't Ballack the guy that's known as the Jimmy White of Soccer? getting to Major finals (Champions league ,World cup) but losing?

he was a fantastic player in the early 00s, IMO Chelsea got him when he had already reached his peak

Yeah, Ballack is a notorious loser  Wise up.
He single handedly dragged Leverkusen to a CL final and then done the same with a poor German team in taking them to the 2002 World Cup Final in the same year, sacrificing his own place in the final.  Countless medals with Munich and Chelsea hardly qualify him as a runner up.

Major finals i said  did you forget the 2008 final? & where did i say he was a loser BTW Jimmy White won loads outside of the World title

[Minder]

Great comparison Ross, a player in a team sport and a sportsman that plays an individual sport.

[ross4life]

Great comparison Ross, a player in a team sport and a sportsman that plays an individual sport.

Hmm how would you put it 



Missed the point spectacularly.



Again

[paco]

Anyone see John Terry's interview on Sky? Said that he would take the double over the Champion's League every season for the rest of his career, because they had never won the double in their history. Didn't make sense to me. What's the consensus from the blues on here?

[quit yo jibbajabba]

norf tyrone; not at all; a liverpool fan admittedly, but my hatred for utd far surpasses any hatred for chelski; so yous were lesser of the 2 evils this year;

a huge admirer of the german mentality and their football in general; i thought ballack was pretty much a complete midfielder; then he comes to engerland, and by and large has been a failure; fair enough he has a few medals; but dont think he would be making your first choice midfield;

that is all.

now, what about this history?  see boateng has apologised; but ballack still considering legal action.......

[Puckoon]

Ballack definitely has not hit his suggested potential in England.

[new devil]

Ballack,Ashley Cole and John Terry are 3 off the players i hate most but i don't mind chelsea...just a pity them other two didn't miss the world cup as well
I don't think United fans see Chelsea as rivals like Arsenal and Liverpool because once red Rom leaves with his money they will go back to just plain old Chelsea

[quit yo jibbajabba]

not often i agree with a manc, but thats sort of the liverpool opinion on them too (and before ye start i know were not terribly big rivals for anyone atm);
basically until chelski come close to 18 titles they can have their fun for a while; and while annoyin to see thon cnut terry with a smile on his face; well accept it through gritted teeth for a while anyway...

anyway, enough of the thread hijacking; away for an cup o tae....

[Norf Tyrone]

Anyone see John Terry's interview on Sky? Said that he would take the double over the Champion's League every season for the rest of his career, because they had never won the double in their history. Didn't make sense to me. What's the consensus from the blues on here?

I agree. Doesn't make sense.

now, what about this history?  see boateng has apologised; but ballack still considering legal action.......

It's actually his agent who is talking about the legal action, not Ballack as far as I see. Probably all hot air. There is no grounds for legal action. It was a bad tackle alright, but you'll see them type of 'letting you know I am there tackles' regularly.

Ballack definitely has not hit his suggested potential in England.

No arguments there. He has been just ok. I can think of very few games where he was the outstanding player. However he is useful in that deep sitting, holding role dictating the play. Personally I think he'd merit another 12 months at a greatly reduced wage. However it wouldn't be the end of the world if he went.

Ballack,Ashley Cole and John Terry are 3 off the players i hate most but i don't mind chelsea...just a pity them other two didn't miss the world cup as well
I don't think United fans see Chelsea as rivals like Arsenal and Liverpool because once red Rom leaves with his money they will go back to just plain old Chelsea

People have been talking about Rom leaving from the day he took over. I thought it was fantastic to see an owner living the game against Wigan. Kicked every kick and headed every cross. He looks like a man who is enjoying it as much as ever. Indeed his major 'gift' earlier this year substantiates that.

Onto that Chelsea are slowly getting themselves into a position where Rom's money is not as important. Take a look at the data to see where the money has been spent in the transfer market over the last three seasons, and you'll see Chelsea in 7th spot.

Chelsea's global support has multipied over the last few seasons as well, and IF (And it's a BIG if) Rom ever does decide to sell up, we'll be in a much stronger position than where we were in May 20004. And if we're not, sure it'll have a loc of yaers of quer craic. Also Arnesan's youth policy shows signs of delivery with Kakura, Brauma, Stoch and a few others being elevated to the first team squad next season.

People have looked at Abromovich as being 'bad' for the game. I can appreciate that view point, but from a balance perspecitive I think he has brought more good. For example breaking the duopoly of Arsenal and United in the Premiership. How boring would it have been with these sides dominating on their own for the last 10 years?

The Russian has also saved so many clubs with the 'new money'. When the spree of 2004 and 2005 took place, this went on players from Blackburn, Charlton, West Ham and the like. This was money over and about the street value of the player's sold. This money then filtered through the leagues as those sides reinvested.

There was an article in one of the broad sheets a season or two back where two club's existance was said to have been secured by Roman's money (I think Southampton was one of them). Roman has single handedly pumped ~ £200million into the pyramid structure of the football league it's believed.

On jibbajabba's point there about "basically until chelski come close to 18 titles they can have their fun for a while". We are having fun. However I think the point is being missed. I don't support Chelsea because they win titles. By geezus the first 25 years of supporting them told me that. So the craic is not the winning, it's more- and this sounds really cheesey- just being Chelsea. I suppose your team, is your team.

If you recall Liverpool and United didn't commence their historys with 18 to their name. They had to build foundations, and become what they are today. Without being too bitchy about the whole thing, Liverpool and United have a shameful love in that helped them avoid being relegated one season before all these trophies came along. Who knows what might've happened if that event had not occured? Match fixing something that fans of both teams never seem to talk about when recounting history.

On a final note, Chelsea were accused of playing boring football and 'buying the title' in the first two seasons. They have spent very little the last few seasons (Relativelly speaking) and scored 103 goals this season, playing some exciting stuff. Still the negativity and bitterness appears.

[A Quinn Martin Production]

Norf, you're letting the board down with all this research, facts and structured analysis.  Can we get back to wild speculation mixed in with the odd insult here and there?

I wonder how many of the MU and Liverpool fans on the board started supporting their team because they were successful??

BTW Chelsea have 6 League titles.  People forget the 2nd Div wins in 1984 and 1989, part of the glory years that included triumphs in the Full Members Cups of 1986 and 1990

[A Quinn Martin Production]

Chelsea FC plc is "debt free"...or is it??

From the Guardian

When Chelsea published their accounts for 2008-09 earlier this year, the club announced that its owner, the Russian oligarch Roman Abramovich, had written off his mammoth £726m loan to the club, and converted it into shares.  But is not quite as clear-cut as that. Abramovich channelled his loans to the club, since taking it over in 2003 and wanting to spend its way to trophies, via a holding company, Chelsea Limited. He loaned money to Chelsea Limited, who then loaned it on to Chelsea FC plc, which runs the club.  It is true that the loans from the holding company to Chelsea FC plc were fully converted to shares last year. However Abramovich's loan to Chelsea Limited, the holding company which owns Chelsea FC plc, was not. That loan remains owing; in fact it increased from £701m, because Abramovich loaned another £25m in a year when Chelsea's extravagant spending, and the dismissal of Luiz Felipe Scolari and his coaching team, produced losses of £47m.  The accounts of Chelsea Limited (whose name was changed during the year to Fordstam Limited), show that loan still outstanding: £726m, owed to Abramovich.  A spokesman for the club confirmed that yesterday: "Recapitalisation of loans happened at the level of Chelsea FC plc, not the holding company (Fordstam), therefore making the football club debt free."  That is true. But Fordstam owns the football club company, and owes Abramovich £726m. The loan is interest free, but it is repayable if Abramovich gives 18 months' notice. The Russian could still demand the money back some day, either if the club is making a profit, or if he were to sell it. He has not, in fact, written off the huge loans he has made on his Chelsea adventure.

[bingobus]

Not sure where to post this but is it true that Paul Terry, brother of John, and a footballer at a lower league club has been caught doing the dirty with the bird of the clubs goalkeeper!!

It is this a new Terry V Terry comp that soccer am have started?