Derry Club Football & Hurling original

[toby47]

I was at the final yesterday. I was sitting 15mins before throw in, reading the programme, looking through both teams and substitutes thinking to myself 'we are so far away from both these panels'

The depth at the minute is an issue for us. Forget management, backroom teams and everything else. I don't think we have a panel to compete with the top 3 or 4 at the moment.

We talk about injures, we had Lynch, McCloskey, McKinless injured most of the year. And Lynch wasn't even starting for a lot of the season anyway. Kerry had Diarmuid O'Connor, Paul Geaney, Sean O Shea, Paudie Clifford, Tony Brosnan,Tom O'Sullivan missing for a lot of the season and were able to bring guys in & still have an impact from the bench.

A list of players on the bench yesterday.
Killian Spillane, Tadhg Morley, Paul Geaney, Michael Burns, Tony Brosnan, Diarmuid O'Connor, Conor Geaney, Dara Moynihan, Jamie Brennan, Jason McGee, Paddy McBrearty, Niall O'Donnell, Stephen McMenamin, Odhran McFadden Ferry.  We don't have talent like that on the bench. Armagh regularly have Conor Turbitt, Forkerm Mackin, Cian McConville, Greg McCabe, Jarly Og etc on the bench.

Our bench Vs Armagh in this years group game -
Louis Regan, Ryan Mulholland, Dan Higgins, Kevin Quinn, Anton Tohill, Tommy Rogers, Ben McCarron, Charlie Diamond, Cahir McMonagle, Caolan Devlin, Danny McDermott. Not a personal dig at anyone, but it's a serious drop off vs the teams above us.
For me, not 1 player named on our bench there would have made Kerry or Donegal's bench yesterday.

[Stickittotheman]

Can someone please call us a 'one man team' so we might get a Kerry like performance for next year? Seriously powerful performance by Kerry that simply Donegal were not prepared for and couldn't adapt to during the game. Have we any hope of competing with that? Interesting that several of those players played under O'connor at minor and u20. We need to develop our successful underage teams for the future.

Its hard to know.
2 years ago under different rules and management, we had the players to compete.
The game has changed, we will have most of those same players available and should hopefully filter through some of that underage talent.
We should at least be competitive in Ulster - then who knows.

We have a first 15 that can compete with anyone if coached well. These last two Championships have been so poor. But guys like McCluskey, McEvoy, McGrogan, Glass, Rogers, McFaul, E. Doherty, McGuigan and when fit Murray- all top players in the country for their positions.

Definitely will be competitive next year in Ulster. Well, draw dependent. In the All island series under Meenagh we should be far more at ourselves.

[oakleaflad]

I was at the final yesterday. I was sitting 15mins before throw in, reading the programme, looking through both teams and substitutes thinking to myself 'we are so far away from both these panels'

The depth at the minute is an issue for us. Forget management, backroom teams and everything else. I don't think we have a panel to compete with the top 3 or 4 at the moment.

We talk about injures, we had Lynch, McCloskey, McKinless injured most of the year. And Lynch wasn't even starting for a lot of the season anyway. Kerry had Diarmuid O'Connor, Paul Geaney, Sean O Shea, Paudie Clifford, Tony Brosnan,Tom O'Sullivan missing for a lot of the season and were able to bring guys in & still have an impact from the bench.

A list of players on the bench yesterday.
Killian Spillane, Tadhg Morley, Paul Geaney, Michael Burns, Tony Brosnan, Diarmuid O'Connor, Conor Geaney, Dara Moynihan, Jamie Brennan, Jason McGee, Paddy McBrearty, Niall O'Donnell, Stephen McMenamin, Odhran McFadden Ferry.  We don't have talent like that on the bench. Armagh regularly have Conor Turbitt, Forkerm Mackin, Cian McConville, Greg McCabe, Jarly Og etc on the bench.

Our bench Vs Armagh in this years group game -
Louis Regan, Ryan Mulholland, Dan Higgins, Kevin Quinn, Anton Tohill, Tommy Rogers, Ben McCarron, Charlie Diamond, Cahir McMonagle, Caolan Devlin, Danny McDermott. Not a personal dig at anyone, but it's a serious drop off vs the teams above us.
For me, not 1 player named on our bench there would have made Kerry or Donegal's bench yesterday.

That's been well known for a couple years but we can only build a panel. We had Clucky and Murray on the bench for our last championship game this year too. And that Donegal bench has a lot of players who were good 4/5 years ago, bar maybe McGee none of them are helping them push on to improve for me, whereas Forbes/Rogers etc could become starters for us in the near future. Just two teams at different stages. 
We have good enough players to give Ulster a good rattle and see from there, probably need a year or two for u20 players to filter through.   

[Wildweasel74]

Rodgers and McDermott are the best of those lads coming through but we still not getting the 6ft scoring forwards coming through,we hardly ever do.There is hope on the younger Higgins lad but alot can change betweem U17 level and even club seniors.

[Derry Optimist]

 

 That selection of yours Wildweasel 74 got me thinking.I would add Ruairi Forbes,James Sargent, Eamon Young to your selection of Danny McDermott, Tommy Rogers and Conall Higgins. Added to a fully fit Donncha Gilmore, Patrick McGurk, and Niall O'Donnell you would then have the genesis of a good side. Hopefully Odhran Lynch, Diarmuid Baker, Eoin McEvoy, Conor McCluskey, Conor Doherty, Conor Glass,Ethan Doherty, Shane McGuigan and Paul Cassidy would still be there when These youngsters develop properly. By that time the edge should have gone off Kerry after their four glorious years at the top(2025-2028!) Maybe Jude McAtamney and Callum Brown would return from their travels to complete the dream!!

[Derry Optimist]

I have just realised that I mistakenly omitted several certainties for the 2029 Derry All Ireland winning panel in my previous post!! Padraig McGrogan, Lachlan Murray, Oisin McWilliams, Daniel Higgins, Fionn McEldowney and Oisin Doherty are just six that come to mind.I am sure others have different ideas as to who should  or should not be included.
P.S. Rightly or wrongly I  am presuming that Gareth McKinless, Brendan Rogers, Ciaran McFaul, Niall Loughlin, Niall Toner and other current panellists  will be retired by that time. Hopefully, they prove me wrong.

[Estimator]

Is this result from the minor championship this evening correct??

Banagher 0-03 Kilrea 0-03

[quit yo jibbajabba]

No was abandoned at ht due to a Kilrea injury.
Kilrea led by three, 2 2 to 0 5

[screenexile]

No was abandoned at ht due to a Kilrea injury.
Kilrea led by three, 2 2 to 0 5

Jesus is the lad alright? Must have been very serious to have the game abandoned!

[quit yo jibbajabba]

Frontal challenge got a fair whack on the snout screen, didn't seem to be too bad but then during ht he took faint etc. ambulance called as precaution he was conscious so should be grand fingers crossed

Abandoned due to delay in ambulance coming then was getting dark other than that it would have finished

[zapped]

I was at the final yesterday. I was sitting 15mins before throw in, reading the programme, looking through both teams and substitutes thinking to myself 'we are so far away from both these panels'

The depth at the minute is an issue for us. Forget management, backroom teams and everything else. I don't think we have a panel to compete with the top 3 or 4 at the moment.

We talk about injures, we had Lynch, McCloskey, McKinless injured most of the year. And Lynch wasn't even starting for a lot of the season anyway. Kerry had Diarmuid O'Connor, Paul Geaney, Sean O Shea, Paudie Clifford, Tony Brosnan,Tom O'Sullivan missing for a lot of the season and were able to bring guys in & still have an impact from the bench.

A list of players on the bench yesterday.
Killian Spillane, Tadhg Morley, Paul Geaney, Michael Burns, Tony Brosnan, Diarmuid O'Connor, Conor Geaney, Dara Moynihan, Jamie Brennan, Jason McGee, Paddy McBrearty, Niall O'Donnell, Stephen McMenamin, Odhran McFadden Ferry.  We don't have talent like that on the bench. Armagh regularly have Conor Turbitt, Forkerm Mackin, Cian McConville, Greg McCabe, Jarly Og etc on the bench.

Our bench Vs Armagh in this years group game -
Louis Regan, Ryan Mulholland, Dan Higgins, Kevin Quinn, Anton Tohill, Tommy Rogers, Ben McCarron, Charlie Diamond, Cahir McMonagle, Caolan Devlin, Danny McDermott. Not a personal dig at anyone, but it's a serious drop off vs the teams above us.
For me, not 1 player named on our bench there would have made Kerry or Donegal's bench yesterday.

We're currently waiting for 3 All Ireland winning minor teams to make their way to senior. Kerry won 4 All Ireland Minors in a row in the mid 2010's. It's no guarantee of senior success but it's a fair start.

This is quite literally the strongest youth set up we've ever had in our history. Donegal finished the game relying on Murphy (36) and McBrearty (32) to get them over the line. Despite the 10 small corner forwards Tyrone seem to produce each year they still rely heavily on Mattie Donnelly (34) and Peter Harte (34). Armagh are no better, Stefan Campbell and Forker are both 33.

I know what camp I'd rather be in going forward.

[toby47]

I was at the final yesterday. I was sitting 15mins before throw in, reading the programme, looking through both teams and substitutes thinking to myself 'we are so far away from both these panels'

The depth at the minute is an issue for us. Forget management, backroom teams and everything else. I don't think we have a panel to compete with the top 3 or 4 at the moment.

We talk about injures, we had Lynch, McCloskey, McKinless injured most of the year. And Lynch wasn't even starting for a lot of the season anyway. Kerry had Diarmuid O'Connor, Paul Geaney, Sean O Shea, Paudie Clifford, Tony Brosnan,Tom O'Sullivan missing for a lot of the season and were able to bring guys in & still have an impact from the bench.

A list of players on the bench yesterday.
Killian Spillane, Tadhg Morley, Paul Geaney, Michael Burns, Tony Brosnan, Diarmuid O'Connor, Conor Geaney, Dara Moynihan, Jamie Brennan, Jason McGee, Paddy McBrearty, Niall O'Donnell, Stephen McMenamin, Odhran McFadden Ferry.  We don't have talent like that on the bench. Armagh regularly have Conor Turbitt, Forkerm Mackin, Cian McConville, Greg McCabe, Jarly Og etc on the bench.

Our bench Vs Armagh in this years group game -
Louis Regan, Ryan Mulholland, Dan Higgins, Kevin Quinn, Anton Tohill, Tommy Rogers, Ben McCarron, Charlie Diamond, Cahir McMonagle, Caolan Devlin, Danny McDermott. Not a personal dig at anyone, but it's a serious drop off vs the teams above us.
For me, not 1 player named on our bench there would have made Kerry or Donegal's bench yesterday.

We're currently waiting for 3 All Ireland winning minor teams to make their way to senior. Kerry won 4 All Ireland Minors in a row in the mid 2010's. It's no guarantee of senior success but it's a fair start.

This is quite literally the strongest youth set up we've ever had in our history. Donegal finished the game relying on Murphy (36) and McBrearty (32) to get them over the line. Despite the 10 small corner forwards Tyrone seem to produce each year they still rely heavily on Mattie Donnelly (34) and Peter Harte (34). Armagh are no better, Stefan Campbell and Forker are both 33.

I know what camp I'd rather be in going forward.

In an ideal world we will have Toner, McKinless, McFaul & Rodgers all playing next season and they will be 32. Sometimes it's better to have a 32 year old McFaul or Rodgers, or a 34 year old Mattie Donnelly than an 18 year old Matthew Downey coming, no certainties in these things.

I think panel wise, were a right bit off it, and by the time the next stuff comes, a few more leaders will be gone or very close to gone.

Oisin McWilliams being listed by someone above, good player, but he was on the minor team of the year in 2017. The next time Derry kick a ball that'll be 9 years ago, sounds harsh but how long can we wait on a lad? Even Lachlan Murray, dynamite in some spells, but still hasn't stood up to be a regular starter in a team that's crying out for scoring forwards, really need him to kick on another level this year coming.

Callum Brown signed another 3 year deal yesterday in the AFL, he'll be 29 at the very least by the time he's back.

[statto]

I was at the final yesterday. I was sitting 15mins before throw in, reading the programme, looking through both teams and substitutes thinking to myself 'we are so far away from both these panels'

The depth at the minute is an issue for us. Forget management, backroom teams and everything else. I don't think we have a panel to compete with the top 3 or 4 at the moment.

We talk about injures, we had Lynch, McCloskey, McKinless injured most of the year. And Lynch wasn't even starting for a lot of the season anyway. Kerry had Diarmuid O'Connor, Paul Geaney, Sean O Shea, Paudie Clifford, Tony Brosnan,Tom O'Sullivan missing for a lot of the season and were able to bring guys in & still have an impact from the bench.

A list of players on the bench yesterday.
Killian Spillane, Tadhg Morley, Paul Geaney, Michael Burns, Tony Brosnan, Diarmuid O'Connor, Conor Geaney, Dara Moynihan, Jamie Brennan, Jason McGee, Paddy McBrearty, Niall O'Donnell, Stephen McMenamin, Odhran McFadden Ferry.  We don't have talent like that on the bench. Armagh regularly have Conor Turbitt, Forkerm Mackin, Cian McConville, Greg McCabe, Jarly Og etc on the bench.

Our bench Vs Armagh in this years group game -
Louis Regan, Ryan Mulholland, Dan Higgins, Kevin Quinn, Anton Tohill, Tommy Rogers, Ben McCarron, Charlie Diamond, Cahir McMonagle, Caolan Devlin, Danny McDermott. Not a personal dig at anyone, but it's a serious drop off vs the teams above us.
For me, not 1 player named on our bench there would have made Kerry or Donegal's bench yesterday.

We're currently waiting for 3 All Ireland winning minor teams to make their way to senior. Kerry won 4 All Ireland Minors in a row in the mid 2010's. It's no guarantee of senior success but it's a fair start.

This is quite literally the strongest youth set up we've ever had in our history. Donegal finished the game relying on Murphy (36) and McBrearty (32) to get them over the line. Despite the 10 small corner forwards Tyrone seem to produce each year they still rely heavily on Mattie Donnelly (34) and Peter Harte (34). Armagh are no better, Stefan Campbell and Forker are both 33.

I know what camp I'd rather be in going forward.

Forker barely played any in championship and Campbell missed the  Kerry game due to injury. All teams need a degree of experience to help see them over the line. 

[Wildweasel74]

Murin and Grugan are also 33, there alot of these  men drop off at the same time. But then we got Rodgers,McKindless and McFaul in that bracket in the nxt yr or 2 as well. Look as some Monaghan ole hands still going.

[Wildweasel74]

McWilliam I see walking around fine after that bad shin injury, whether that converts to he actually bck fit to play club football foreby county i do not know!