Tyrone v Kerry Semifinal 2025

Started by Dire Ear, June 29, 2025, 08:01:34 PM

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Sportacus

#435
Kerry's conditioning is so much better than previous years.  O'Connor is a beast. Kerry left a lot of goals behind, could've been a hammering.

HokeyPokey

Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on July 12, 2025, 11:17:11 PM
Quote from: Grace Murphy on July 12, 2025, 10:57:43 PMDon't know if it was mentioned in here or not but a pivotal point in the match is when Tyrone scored a 2 pointer and Kerry Joe brought it back for a free. Would have stopped the rot and gave Tyrone a platform.

Also Teagues performance on Ose considering his performance against Armagh was outstanding.
I thought Kerry were getting their frees handier than Tyrone in certain periods but it wasn't game changing.

The point you mention, however, was just unfortunate for Tyrone rather than a referee error. He played advantage then there was another foul. He blew for the free at that point. After that the 2 pointer was kicked.
He can't change his mind after he has blown for the free, be it common sense or not.

The ref wasn't the winning or losing of the game, I think, though momentum is everything (like Tyrone's many poor wides, deflating them and giving Kerry confidence).

It There were a number of clear frees that he just didn't give on both sides. I couldn't understand how Kennedy could catch a ball, be seemingly taken out in the air and get neither a mark or a free.

I also felt like there were a lot of frees given to Kerry where there was no obvious contact made.

Main Street

Quote from: HokeyPokey on July 12, 2025, 11:49:28 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on July 12, 2025, 11:17:11 PM
Quote from: Grace Murphy on July 12, 2025, 10:57:43 PMDon't know if it was mentioned in here or not but a pivotal point in the match is when Tyrone scored a 2 pointer and Kerry Joe brought it back for a free. Would have stopped the rot and gave Tyrone a platform.

Also Teagues performance on Ose considering his performance against Armagh was outstanding.
I thought Kerry were getting their frees handier than Tyrone in certain periods but it wasn't game changing.

The point you mention, however, was just unfortunate for Tyrone rather than a referee error. He played advantage then there was another foul. He blew for the free at that point. After that the 2 pointer was kicked.
He can't change his mind after he has blown for the free, be it common sense or not.

The ref wasn't the winning or losing of the game, I think, though momentum is everything (like Tyrone's many poor wides, deflating them and giving Kerry confidence).

It There were a number of clear frees that he just didn't give on both sides. I couldn't understand how Kennedy could catch a ball, be seemingly taken out in the air and get neither a mark or a free.

I also felt like there were a lot of frees given to Kerry where there was no obvious contact made.
When Tyrone lose the ref is always complicit

Aaron Boone

Quote from: Dun Eile on July 12, 2025, 11:01:14 PMIt's mandatory for RTE to have Kerry pundits on every show? Kerry man Fitzmaurice commentator in today game too.

It is mandatory. 

Joeythelips

I thought Tyrone started both halfs really well and had Kerry in bother, in particular at the kickouts. They actually created lots of chances but their conversion rate and decision making was not at the level needed to beat Kerry who took over when they hit their purple patch. Also I thought their best player was the keeper and it could have been an awful hiding only for him.

NotedObserver

Quote from: Joeythelips on July 13, 2025, 12:09:36 AMI thought Tyrone started both halfs really well and had Kerry in bother, in particular at the kickouts. They actually created lots of chances but their conversion rate and decision making was not at the level needed to beat Kerry who took over when they hit their purple patch. Also I thought their best player was the keeper and it could have been an awful hiding only for him.

Would be the story of Tyrone this year, play in fits and starts. Was Morgan a bit iffy of the tee or am I wrong? A lot of unforced errors through the year as well. Individual mistakes.

Tight shift for Hampsey who to be fair hasn't played a pile of football in the last year

David McKeown

Quote from: gallsman on July 12, 2025, 08:32:26 PM
Quote from: David McKeown on July 12, 2025, 08:30:50 PMWhat happened at the end. Was there an advantage that Tyrone scored from but that they went back for the free kick for anyway?

They scored a point but wanted the free as it was outside the arc. All a bit daft given they were down by six but at least they showed some effort.

I thought the advantage ended if you scored?  What if you are three points down and point instead of goaling late on.
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weareros

Quote from: Dun Eile on July 12, 2025, 11:01:14 PMIt's mandatory for RTE to have Kerry pundits on every show? Kerry man Fitzmaurice commentator in today game too.

At the end of the day, a handful of counties over-index with commentators particularly: Dublin, Kerry, Tyrone, Mayo, Galway. I have no sympathy for any of those top counties complaining. I actually enjoy the drollness of Fitzmaurice. The delivery of such shrewd insights in such a prosaic manner should be copyrighted. I was driving for first few minutes so was glad to escape Cora and Canning on the radio. Canning is Cork so add them to the county list above.

Lamh Dhearg Alba

#443
Went pretty much as I expected, Kerry are a bit further down the line than Tyrone. From a Tyrone point of view the first 20 minutes were very good but they didn't get the scores to reflect that. And in the second half when Kerry were on top Tyrone had so many poor wides. Kerry's spell when they got all those scores in a row wasn't the same as the Armagh game, Tyrone should have kept the scoreboard ticking over at the other end to some extent. Heads went a little as the wides stacked up and decision making became questionable.

Defence was too open as it went on and but for Morgan Kerry could have had a few goals. At the same time a couple of key Kerry men were shut down very effectively. D Clifford was just fantastic, an incredible footballer.

I take it as a good year for Tyrone. The last 3 seasons were pretty farcical. O'Rourke inherited a lot of talent but a team that was a bit of a shambles. He has had a solid start and restored order but there remains a lot to do. I'd hope we won't see retirements at this stage, the old dogs are still great players and could be a big influence as the youngsters from the successful under age teams come through.

Kerry were excellent. They will take some stopping but not unbeatable. It's a case of up Donegal for me now but I wish all three remaining sides good luck.

gallsman

Quote from: HokeyPokey on July 12, 2025, 11:49:28 PMI couldn't understand how Kennedy could catch a ball, be seemingly taken out in the air

Is this what it's come to from hard Tyrone men? Two lads competed for the ball in the air. Kennedy won and fell. Nothing more. Kerry lad jumped and had both arms straight up in the air ffs.

I did think he should have got the mark though. There's no NFL style "survive the ground" as far as I know.

OakLeaf

Quote from: gallsman on July 13, 2025, 07:44:15 AMI did think he should have got the mark though. There's no NFL style "survive the ground" as far as I know.

No, I don't think there is, but after that catch there really should be. Cruel to have a catch like that and not get the mark.

DaleCooper

Quote from: weareros on July 13, 2025, 01:34:20 AM
Quote from: Dun Eile on July 12, 2025, 11:01:14 PMIt's mandatory for RTE to have Kerry pundits on every show? Kerry man Fitzmaurice commentator in today game too.

At the end of the day, a handful of counties over-index with commentators particularly: Dublin, Kerry, Tyrone, Mayo, Galway. I have no sympathy for any of those top counties complaining. I actually enjoy the drollness of Fitzmaurice. The delivery of such shrewd insights in such a prosaic manner should be copyrighted. I was driving for first few minutes so was glad to escape Cora and Canning on the radio. Canning is Cork so add them to the county list above.

Cora Staunton is on RTE radio? Mother of christ

RedHand88

Quote from: Main Street on July 13, 2025, 12:01:14 AM
Quote from: HokeyPokey on July 12, 2025, 11:49:28 PM
Quote from: Duine Inteacht Eile on July 12, 2025, 11:17:11 PM
Quote from: Grace Murphy on July 12, 2025, 10:57:43 PMDon't know if it was mentioned in here or not but a pivotal point in the match is when Tyrone scored a 2 pointer and Kerry Joe brought it back for a free. Would have stopped the rot and gave Tyrone a platform.

Also Teagues performance on Ose considering his performance against Armagh was outstanding.
I thought Kerry were getting their frees handier than Tyrone in certain periods but it wasn't game changing.

The point you mention, however, was just unfortunate for Tyrone rather than a referee error. He played advantage then there was another foul. He blew for the free at that point. After that the 2 pointer was kicked.
He can't change his mind after he has blown for the free, be it common sense or not.

The ref wasn't the winning or losing of the game, I think, though momentum is everything (like Tyrone's many poor wides, deflating them and giving Kerry confidence).

It There were a number of clear frees that he just didn't give on both sides. I couldn't understand how Kennedy could catch a ball, be seemingly taken out in the air and get neither a mark or a free.

I also felt like there were a lot of frees given to Kerry where there was no obvious contact made.
When Tyrone lose the ref is always complicit

Just had to listen to a rant about him from someone. I think some people in Tyrone just don't enjoy it.

twohands!!!

Quote from: OakLeaf on July 13, 2025, 08:03:18 AM
Quote from: gallsman on July 13, 2025, 07:44:15 AMI did think he should have got the mark though. There's no NFL style "survive the ground" as far as I know.

No, I don't think there is, but after that catch there really should be. Cruel to have a catch like that and not get the mark.

Checked the rule book for the wording of this and once again with the GAA rule book the wording of the rule isn't exactly the clearest.

QuoteThe referee shall award a Mark, in either of the following circumstances:

(i) When the player catches the ball cleanly from a kick-out, without it touching the ground, on or past the 45m line nearest the kick-out point (a Kick Out Mark)

Nowhere in the rule is catching the ball cleanly defined.

Based on how I have seen the mark rule reffed since it was introduced I would have said that the normal interpretation by refs is that the player catching it needs to land standing in some sort of clean possession of the ball. I don't think there was any foul on Kennedy in the act of catching it - I just think that the ref interpreted the situation as not being a mark because it wasn't a clean catch and play was allowed continue on.

I'm not sure whether situations like this should be marks - would it lead to more dangerous play if players knew that they didn't need to land in clean possession of the ball? I'd imagine it would - in the AFL the players regularly enough make marks in this manner - catch it in the air, with little to no regard for their landing position. . Personally I'd be leaning towards the interpretation that the player basically needs to land on the ground in clean possession of the ball as I think this would be safer for all involved. The AFL is a pro game and there seems to be a far greater acceptance of behaviour that risks players bodies picking up serious damage (similar to rugby)

What I definitely would be in favour of is that the actual rule to be clarified one way or the other so everyone would know what is and isn't allowed which would be much fairer to everyone.

gallsman

There have been a couple of instances this year where lads have caught the ball in the air while put out over the sideline. Hard to know whether they were awarded marks or frees but ref hasn't given the sideline the other way any time I've seen it.

Agree they should have to catch the ball and land. Then you get into the definition of land though. Kennedy "landed" with the ball alright, albeit on his back unfortunately.