Hamas attack Israel & subsequent genocide

[johnnycool]

The difference in both conflicts is that the West is actually involved in supporting, providing surveillance, funding and giving political cover to one genocide and in the other with the US worse than ambivalent to the plight of Ukraine the rest as incapable of making any material difference to help Ukraine.

Bottom line, if you want to break international law you either need to be American or have the Americans in your back pocket.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

there you have it and why I yawned and ignore this poster..

My answer is the only way to bring peace to Ukraine

No you yawned because you can't refute what I have to say. If you try to debate it you'll be shown up for a fool, like you have multiple times before.

That's why you yawn.

as always even when I say why I did/wrote something and I think I'd know best what i meant and why i did it...you arrogently tell me you know better... back to ignoring...

I think you're a disingenuous coward who is afraid to get into a debate because deep down you know you can't defend your position.

You're stuck having to defend your position because you will never admit you are wrong.

Ukrainians, who know the Russians much better than you or I, have stated over and over, and over and over, that Russia will never abide by any peace agreement with them. They've broken every single one in the past and will break every single one in the future. Russia only backs down when forced to back down. That means properly arming Ukraine to really hurt Russia on the battlefield and proper hard hitting crippling sanctions. Anything else is useless.

muliple times under muliple usernames I've set out my positon against yours and all that happens is you start throwing around insults and name calling... which isnt debating and as you already say 'your answer is the only answer' so it's pointless.

[Banks of the Bann]

The difference in both conflicts is that the West is actually involved in supporting, providing surveillance, funding and giving political cover to one genocide and in the other with the US worse than ambivalent to the plight of Ukraine the rest as incapable of making any material difference to help Ukraine.

Bottom line, if you want to break international law you either need to be American or have the Americans in your back pocket.

The end of your post is unclear.

Are you saying the help Ukraine is receiving from the Europeans is not capable of making any material difference to Ukraine? If so, that is utter nonsense.

No one is denying that the west is complicit in genocide in Palestine.

[Banks of the Bann]

muliple times under muliple usernames I've set out my positon against yours and all that happens is you start throwing around insults and name calling... which isnt debating and as you already say 'your answer is the only answer' so it's pointless.

Perhaps you'd like to explain how, for the first time in history, Russia will abide by the terms of any 'negotiated settlement 'with Ukraine?

Does your negotiated settlement involve Ukraine  ceding territory to Russia, and abandoning the millions of Ukrainian people living there, knowing as they do what is happening to them there?

edit: Does your plan involve trusting Russia?

[Rossfan]

The war crimes get worse by the day

https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2025/0713/1523255-israel-gaza/

[LC]

https://www.rte.ie/news/middle-east/2025/0723/1524858-israel-gaza/

What an absolute shower of tramps the Israelis are.

They do not give one f@#k about anybody or what any one thinks of them.

Sickening how the west continues to tip toe around them.

[downtothecore]

This is shocking and shameful...

[Rossfan]

https://www.rte.ie/news/middle-east/2025/0723/1524858-israel-gaza/

What an absolute shower of tramps the Israelis are.

They do not give one f@#k about anybody or what any one thinks of them.

Sickening how the west continues to tip toe around them.

+1.
And fully supported and enabled by the dirty U.S.

Meanwhile no coincidence that the latest Trump revelations appeared as he was said to be putting pressure on Cuntanyahu......

[LC]

https://news.sky.com/story/gazas-deadliest-days-linked-by-a-pattern-of-attacks-on-families-13403651

Israeli Government / IDF are pretty much the 21st century version of the Nazis.

A few weeks ago there was ad on the TV for Schindlers List, I know it was wrong, but when I would have seen that ad pre October 7th I would have said to myself yes how awful what was done to the Jews.  Unfortunately that level of sympathy is no longer there indeed if and it is a big if but if there is any repercussions dealt out to Israel / its people for what they have done to the Palestinans in years to come I would imagine sympathy will be in short supply.

[seafoid]

https://news.sky.com/story/gazas-deadliest-days-linked-by-a-pattern-of-attacks-on-families-13403651

Israeli Government / IDF are pretty much the 21st century version of the Nazis.

A few weeks ago there was ad on the TV for Schindlers List, I know it was wrong, but when I would have seen that ad pre October 7th I would have said to myself yes how awful what was done to the Jews.  Unfortunately that level of sympathy is no longer there indeed if and it is a big if but if there is any repercussions dealt out to Israel / its people for what they have done to the Palestinans in years to come I would imagine sympathy will be in short supply.

   
   https://www.ft.com/content/8d703b13-eefb-448d-933d-fa70e8e2dc78

   Jon Hoffman, a Middle East analyst at the libertarian Cato Institute in Washington, believes Israeli government officials "see the writing on the wall" and recognise that the relative blank cheque extended by this administration might not carry into the next — or even beyond the 2026 US midterm elections.

https://www.ft.com/content/8d703b13-eefb-448d-933d-fa70e8e2dc78

A small but vocal contingent of his Maga base, including younger Republicans and far-right podcasters, have grown sceptical of Washington's relationship with Israel. "What is this unique, strange, disgusting, perverse relationship that we seem to have with Israel?" Candace Owens, a popular podcaster and frequent proponent of antisemitic conspiracy theories, said on her programme last week. Pro-Trump firebrand lawmaker Marjorie Taylor Greene on Monday described the crisis in Gaza as a "genocide" and has proposed legislation to block aid to Israel. Congress rejected the measure, but polls suggest many young Republicans now have a negative opinion of Netanyahu

"My people are starting to hate Israel," Trump recently warned one prominent Jewish donor, according to a Middle East expert who speaks regularly with the administration

[DaleCooper]

Israel will eventually pivot to BRICS Sphere of Influence and could happen much faster than people anticipate.

Here we are 19 years on from a very big meeting at the Wye Plantation

From Ha'artez 2006

"Two groups of Jews gathered together last weekend
at Wye Plantation, Maryland for a long discussion on the situation of
the Jewish people. The first group, which met Wednesday and Thursday,
consisted of the heads of 15 Jewish organizations such as the
Presidents' Conference, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee
(AIPAC), the Anti-Defamation League, the Union of Orthodox Jewish
Congregations, the American Jewish Committee and others. In the second
group were the "thinkers," as the organizers termed them: Natan
Sharansky from Israel, Charles Krauthammer from The Washington Post,
former Canadian justice minister Irwin Cotler, former Jewish Agency head
Sallai Meridor and many others....

The fear expressed that "a real decline of the West,
particularly the United States, would have dramatic consequences for the
Jewish people," also led to controversy. Brandeis University president
Jehuda Reinharz agreed that this type of decline can be expected "in the
coming two decades" – but Stuart Eisenstadt was less emphatic about it.
He believes the United States will remain the leading power. In all
events, it was agreed the Jews "should strengthen cultural links with
non-Western civilizations, particularly China and also India," powers
that are on the ascent. This is not a question of preference or
closeness; it is a question of survival, of readiness for the future"

[seafoid]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/07/30/hamas-could-be-forced-into-exile-by-arab-states/

Hamas leaders could be forced to leave Gaza after Middle Eastern states united behind a new plan to end the 22-months war.

Qatar and Turkey, two of the group's main patrons, have thrown their weight behind a French and Saudi peace initiative that sharply increases pressure on Hamas to disarm, surrender power and accept exile.

Senior Gulf officials said the rare display of regional unity could isolate the movement to the point where it has no option but to comply.

"We genuinely believe we have a shot at this," one diplomat said. "Hamas is in a corner. They don't have much choice.

[Rossfan]

If it was accompanied by the terror State of Israel leaving Gaza and the West Bank and the establishment of an independent Palestinian State....

[seafoid]

The tide is turning against Israel. Famine is the driver.  Israel is doing what it has always done-dehumanising the Palestinians.  It is worse than Jim Crow in the US and worse than apartheid in South Africa. Israelis have to feel pain.  Where it ends is the question. Will the settler empire collapse too?

[Rossfan]

I see their messenger boy in the White House is threatening to scupper trade deal with Canada because they intend recognising Palestine.