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trueblue1234

Quote from: From the Bunker on July 09, 2025, 11:49:42 PM
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Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 09, 2025, 09:33:38 PMIs the world more racist now than ever before?

Nah, no more than there is more anti-Semitism. Labelling has just got more intense and highlighted. Labelling is used to control the Narrative. To create issues that are not always there. To give minorities to much power and cause resentment, rather than creating a form of equality.


To be fair, the internet has allowed for an increased level of racism. And as such, an increase in the calling out of that racism.

Racism and Women rights card has allowed people like Eni Aluko influence ITV in not having Ian Wright as a pundit for the Women's Euros.
Wrights enthusiasm and love of the Womens game as well as his connection and attraction to a watching male audience is a loss. But once Aluko played the 'He's taking the jobs of women card' - ITV's hands were tied and her own appearance was assured.   
ITV supported Wright in that row not Aluko. Aluko had a fair point in that there are very limited opportunities for woman pundits in comparison to men's. She just shouldn't have mentioned Wright, who as you said, has been a strong advocate for Woman's football. If anything from that incident, it was Aluko that got a backlash not Wright.
Grammar: the difference between knowing your shit

From the Bunker

Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 10, 2025, 11:46:02 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 09, 2025, 11:49:42 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 09, 2025, 11:18:55 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 09, 2025, 10:23:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 09, 2025, 09:33:38 PMIs the world more racist now than ever before?

Nah, no more than there is more anti-Semitism. Labelling has just got more intense and highlighted. Labelling is used to control the Narrative. To create issues that are not always there. To give minorities to much power and cause resentment, rather than creating a form of equality.


To be fair, the internet has allowed for an increased level of racism. And as such, an increase in the calling out of that racism.

Racism and Women rights card has allowed people like Eni Aluko influence ITV in not having Ian Wright as a pundit for the Women's Euros.
Wrights enthusiasm and love of the Womens game as well as his connection and attraction to a watching male audience is a loss. But once Aluko played the 'He's taking the jobs of women card' - ITV's hands were tied and her own appearance was assured.   
ITV supported Wright in that row not Aluko. Aluko had a fair point in that there are very limited opportunities for woman pundits in comparison to men's. She just shouldn't have mentioned Wright, who as you said, has been a strong advocate for Woman's football. If anything from that incident, it was Aluko that got a backlash not Wright.

But actions speak louder than words and ITV's actions show the contrary.

trueblue1234

Quote from: From the Bunker on July 10, 2025, 12:05:25 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 10, 2025, 11:46:02 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 09, 2025, 11:49:42 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 09, 2025, 11:18:55 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 09, 2025, 10:23:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 09, 2025, 09:33:38 PMIs the world more racist now than ever before?

Nah, no more than there is more anti-Semitism. Labelling has just got more intense and highlighted. Labelling is used to control the Narrative. To create issues that are not always there. To give minorities to much power and cause resentment, rather than creating a form of equality.


To be fair, the internet has allowed for an increased level of racism. And as such, an increase in the calling out of that racism.

Racism and Women rights card has allowed people like Eni Aluko influence ITV in not having Ian Wright as a pundit for the Women's Euros.
Wrights enthusiasm and love of the Womens game as well as his connection and attraction to a watching male audience is a loss. But once Aluko played the 'He's taking the jobs of women card' - ITV's hands were tied and her own appearance was assured.   
ITV supported Wright in that row not Aluko. Aluko had a fair point in that there are very limited opportunities for woman pundits in comparison to men's. She just shouldn't have mentioned Wright, who as you said, has been a strong advocate for Woman's football. If anything from that incident, it was Aluko that got a backlash not Wright.

But actions speak louder than words and ITV's actions show the contrary.
Wright said it was nothing to do with his row with Aluko.
Grammar: the difference between knowing your shit

From the Bunker

Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 10, 2025, 12:24:41 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 10, 2025, 12:05:25 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 10, 2025, 11:46:02 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 09, 2025, 11:49:42 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 09, 2025, 11:18:55 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 09, 2025, 10:23:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 09, 2025, 09:33:38 PMIs the world more racist now than ever before?

Nah, no more than there is more anti-Semitism. Labelling has just got more intense and highlighted. Labelling is used to control the Narrative. To create issues that are not always there. To give minorities to much power and cause resentment, rather than creating a form of equality.


To be fair, the internet has allowed for an increased level of racism. And as such, an increase in the calling out of that racism.

Racism and Women rights card has allowed people like Eni Aluko influence ITV in not having Ian Wright as a pundit for the Women's Euros.
Wrights enthusiasm and love of the Womens game as well as his connection and attraction to a watching male audience is a loss. But once Aluko played the 'He's taking the jobs of women card' - ITV's hands were tied and her own appearance was assured.   
ITV supported Wright in that row not Aluko. Aluko had a fair point in that there are very limited opportunities for woman pundits in comparison to men's. She just shouldn't have mentioned Wright, who as you said, has been a strong advocate for Woman's football. If anything from that incident, it was Aluko that got a backlash not Wright.

But actions speak louder than words and ITV's actions show the contrary.
Wright said it was nothing to do with his row with Aluko.

He would say that, wouldn't he?

Wrighty was the larger than large personality of the last Women's Euros.

It was a no brainer to ask Wrighty back - He knows the Women's Game - He is respected by the Male football fraternity - He attracts viewership from the male football fraternity.

We all want rights for women. For them to be treated well and have equality. To some peoples surprise equality is a two way street. Aluko played the taking women's jobs card. It wasn't about equality or ability.

AustinPowers

Have watched  very little   of these Euros. Didn't recognise any pundit from flicking through the channels 

Is there  anyone of note in the punditry lineup?

trueblue1234

Quote from: From the Bunker on July 10, 2025, 12:54:39 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 10, 2025, 12:24:41 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 10, 2025, 12:05:25 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 10, 2025, 11:46:02 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 09, 2025, 11:49:42 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 09, 2025, 11:18:55 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 09, 2025, 10:23:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 09, 2025, 09:33:38 PMIs the world more racist now than ever before?

Nah, no more than there is more anti-Semitism. Labelling has just got more intense and highlighted. Labelling is used to control the Narrative. To create issues that are not always there. To give minorities to much power and cause resentment, rather than creating a form of equality.


To be fair, the internet has allowed for an increased level of racism. And as such, an increase in the calling out of that racism.

Racism and Women rights card has allowed people like Eni Aluko influence ITV in not having Ian Wright as a pundit for the Women's Euros.
Wrights enthusiasm and love of the Womens game as well as his connection and attraction to a watching male audience is a loss. But once Aluko played the 'He's taking the jobs of women card' - ITV's hands were tied and her own appearance was assured.   
ITV supported Wright in that row not Aluko. Aluko had a fair point in that there are very limited opportunities for woman pundits in comparison to men's. She just shouldn't have mentioned Wright, who as you said, has been a strong advocate for Woman's football. If anything from that incident, it was Aluko that got a backlash not Wright.

But actions speak louder than words and ITV's actions show the contrary.
Wright said it was nothing to do with his row with Aluko.

He would say that, wouldn't he?

Wrighty was the larger than large personality of the last Women's Euros.

It was a no brainer to ask Wrighty back - He knows the Women's Game - He is respected by the Male football fraternity - He attracts viewership from the male football fraternity.

We all want rights for women. For them to be treated well and have equality. To some peoples surprise equality is a two way street. Aluko played the taking women's jobs card. It wasn't about equality or ability.
You're running a narrative without knowing it's correct. That for me is one of the major dangers about the internet right there.
Grammar: the difference between knowing your shit

Milltown Row2

No men got a look in at the camogie game last weekend, but sure there was a lady doing the men's semi hurling final!

The sickener for women's equality was the same age for retirement age lol
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought.

Gabriel_Hurl

Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 10, 2025, 01:27:06 PMYou're running a narrative without knowing it's correct. That for me is one of the major dangers about the internet right there.

Is it your first time dealing with him?  ;D

From the Bunker

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 10, 2025, 01:30:17 PMNo men got a look in at the camogie game last weekend, but sure there was a lady doing the men's semi hurling final!

The sickener for women's equality was the same age for retirement age lol

If all the women involved know the game, have maybe played and have competent analysis ability, then I have no bother with that. Putting in a token male who may not be as knowledgeable for the sake of it commentating on Camogie. It's all about the best people for the job not balancing gender numbers.


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Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 10, 2025, 01:27:06 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 10, 2025, 12:54:39 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 10, 2025, 12:24:41 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 10, 2025, 12:05:25 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 10, 2025, 11:46:02 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 09, 2025, 11:49:42 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 09, 2025, 11:18:55 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 09, 2025, 10:23:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 09, 2025, 09:33:38 PMIs the world more racist now than ever before?

Nah, no more than there is more anti-Semitism. Labelling has just got more intense and highlighted. Labelling is used to control the Narrative. To create issues that are not always there. To give minorities to much power and cause resentment, rather than creating a form of equality.


To be fair, the internet has allowed for an increased level of racism. And as such, an increase in the calling out of that racism.

Racism and Women rights card has allowed people like Eni Aluko influence ITV in not having Ian Wright as a pundit for the Women's Euros.
Wrights enthusiasm and love of the Womens game as well as his connection and attraction to a watching male audience is a loss. But once Aluko played the 'He's taking the jobs of women card' - ITV's hands were tied and her own appearance was assured.   
ITV supported Wright in that row not Aluko. Aluko had a fair point in that there are very limited opportunities for woman pundits in comparison to men's. She just shouldn't have mentioned Wright, who as you said, has been a strong advocate for Woman's football. If anything from that incident, it was Aluko that got a backlash not Wright.

But actions speak louder than words and ITV's actions show the contrary.
Wright said it was nothing to do with his row with Aluko.

He would say that, wouldn't he?

Wrighty was the larger than large personality of the last Women's Euros.

It was a no brainer to ask Wrighty back - He knows the Women's Game - He is respected by the Male football fraternity - He attracts viewership from the male football fraternity.

We all want rights for women. For them to be treated well and have equality. To some peoples surprise equality is a two way street. Aluko played the taking women's jobs card. It wasn't about equality or ability.
You're running a narrative without knowing it's correct. That for me is one of the major dangers about the internet right there.

No, the narrative is pretty clear. Aluko says Wrighty a competent male is taking jobs from women in punditry.

Aluko gets the gig, Wrighty does not.

trueblue1234

Quote from: From the Bunker on July 10, 2025, 02:58:09 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 10, 2025, 01:27:06 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 10, 2025, 12:54:39 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 10, 2025, 12:24:41 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 10, 2025, 12:05:25 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 10, 2025, 11:46:02 AM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 09, 2025, 11:49:42 PM
Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 09, 2025, 11:18:55 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 09, 2025, 10:23:20 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 09, 2025, 09:33:38 PMIs the world more racist now than ever before?

Nah, no more than there is more anti-Semitism. Labelling has just got more intense and highlighted. Labelling is used to control the Narrative. To create issues that are not always there. To give minorities to much power and cause resentment, rather than creating a form of equality.


To be fair, the internet has allowed for an increased level of racism. And as such, an increase in the calling out of that racism.

Racism and Women rights card has allowed people like Eni Aluko influence ITV in not having Ian Wright as a pundit for the Women's Euros.
Wrights enthusiasm and love of the Womens game as well as his connection and attraction to a watching male audience is a loss. But once Aluko played the 'He's taking the jobs of women card' - ITV's hands were tied and her own appearance was assured.   
ITV supported Wright in that row not Aluko. Aluko had a fair point in that there are very limited opportunities for woman pundits in comparison to men's. She just shouldn't have mentioned Wright, who as you said, has been a strong advocate for Woman's football. If anything from that incident, it was Aluko that got a backlash not Wright.

But actions speak louder than words and ITV's actions show the contrary.
Wright said it was nothing to do with his row with Aluko.

He would say that, wouldn't he?

Wrighty was the larger than large personality of the last Women's Euros.

It was a no brainer to ask Wrighty back - He knows the Women's Game - He is respected by the Male football fraternity - He attracts viewership from the male football fraternity.

We all want rights for women. For them to be treated well and have equality. To some peoples surprise equality is a two way street. Aluko played the taking women's jobs card. It wasn't about equality or ability.
You're running a narrative without knowing it's correct. That for me is one of the major dangers about the internet right there.

No, the narrative is pretty clear. Aluko says Wrighty a competent male is taking jobs from women in punditry.

Aluko gets the gig, Wrighty does not.
As I say, you're making up a narrative, and that's why there's an increase in "labelling". It's much easier now to project your opinion to a wider audience.
Not to mention you are implying Aluko isn't competent to talk about ladies soccer.
Grammar: the difference between knowing your shit

Milltown Row2

Quote from: From the Bunker on July 10, 2025, 02:15:50 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 10, 2025, 01:30:17 PMNo men got a look in at the camogie game last weekend, but sure there was a lady doing the men's semi hurling final!

The sickener for women's equality was the same age for retirement age lol

If all the women involved know the game, have maybe played and have competent analysis ability, then I have no bother with that. Putting in a token male who may not be as knowledgeable for the sake of it commentating on Camogie. It's all about the best people for the job not balancing gender numbers.



So how many women are male intercounty hurlers that know the game? So by your logic she's a token female being put in for the sake of it?
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought.

From the Bunker

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 10, 2025, 04:50:46 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 10, 2025, 02:15:50 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 10, 2025, 01:30:17 PMNo men got a look in at the camogie game last weekend, but sure there was a lady doing the men's semi hurling final!

The sickener for women's equality was the same age for retirement age lol

If all the women involved know the game, have maybe played and have competent analysis ability, then I have no bother with that. Putting in a token male who may not be as knowledgeable for the sake of it commentating on Camogie. It's all about the best people for the job not balancing gender numbers.



So how many women are male intercounty hurlers that know the game? So by your logic she's a token female being put in for the sake of it?

None to the answer to the first bit. Didn't mean to come across that way with your second question. There is no doubt that there are male and female pundits able to talk about the opposite sexes game. And if they are good enough why not - but it should not be based on gender balance.

From the Bunker

Quote from: trueblue1234 on July 10, 2025, 04:19:48 PMNot to mention you are implying Aluko isn't competent to talk about ladies soccer.

I can't see a place where i said Aluko was incompetent.

In fairness she explains herself fairly well here....


Milltown Row2

Quote from: From the Bunker on July 10, 2025, 07:55:57 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 10, 2025, 04:50:46 PM
Quote from: From the Bunker on July 10, 2025, 02:15:50 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on July 10, 2025, 01:30:17 PMNo men got a look in at the camogie game last weekend, but sure there was a lady doing the men's semi hurling final!

The sickener for women's equality was the same age for retirement age lol

If all the women involved know the game, have maybe played and have competent analysis ability, then I have no bother with that. Putting in a token male who may not be as knowledgeable for the sake of it commentating on Camogie. It's all about the best people for the job not balancing gender numbers.



So how many women are male intercounty hurlers that know the game? So by your logic she's a token female being put in for the sake of it?

None to the answer to the first bit. Didn't mean to come across that way with your second question. There is no doubt that there are male and female pundits able to talk about the opposite sexes game. And if they are good enough why not - but it should not be based on gender balance.

But its not happening, one way street it seems, if we are on about equality rather than playing experiences and insight from that, then I'm confused as why male pundits at camogie games are very very rare but nearly every week in male football and hurling we have a woman who has never played the men's game.

Camogie has a lot of male managers who'd have great insight into the game btw.

I'd have more respect for broadcasters if they just came out and be honest and say we are trying to even up the panels..

It's like the girl that does the rugby, English girl, no experiences really to draw from in the mans international standard of rugby

Commentators can be both in my book btw

None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought.