All Ireland Championship 2025.

[omagh_gael]

Some excellent points here in the kickout discussion. The big winners I think are Tyrone. Malachy and Co will be flat out working out an A, B and C approach to avoid thst 14 point drubbing Armagh took through total domination of the kick out.

Rafferty is a phenomenal keeper but I can't recall him absolutely booting it to the opposition 45. Maybe he doesn't have it in his locker but we can see how effective it is. Two keepers who absolutely do have this is Morgan and Patton. We got at least 2 if not 3 scores of Dublin in the second half with deep kickout flicked on inside the Dublin 45.

If Kerry win the break then the long kick pass directly into the Kerry FF line isn't really on. Furthermore, it might encourage the press to back off a lot more to allow a safer shorter option.

Fascinating stuff and at the end of the day it might be a case of pure luck rather than any design as JoG2 mentions above.

[twohands!!!]

The old momentum breaker was the mystery injury, but that one doesn't get used anymore.

Philly McMahon on the Indo podcast suggested starting a bit of a schmozzle - nothing serious, just a bit of handbags stuff to break the momentum! 

Says it all that Philly's response to a situation like this is to cheat.

[Delgany 2nds]

Some excellent points here in the kickout discussion. The big winners I think are Tyrone. Malachy and Co will be flat out working out an A, B and C approach to avoid thst 14 point drubbing Armagh took through total domination of the kick out.

Rafferty is a phenomenal keeper but I can't recall him absolutely booting it to the opposition 45. Maybe he doesn't have it in his locker but we can see how effective it is. Two keepers who absolutely do have this is Morgan and Patton. We got at least 2 if not 3 scores of Dublin in the second half with deep kickout flicked on inside the Dublin 45.

If Kerry win the break then the long kick pass directly into the Kerry FF line isn't really on. Furthermore, it might encourage the press to back off a lot more to allow a safer shorter option.

Fascinating stuff and at the end of the day it might be a case of pure luck rather than any design as JoG2 mentions above.

If in doubt, boot it as far down the middle of the pitch as you can. Kicking specifically towards sidelines is extremely difficult, when opposing team get a run on you. Teams are far too static at kickouts now. The chaos generated at short kickouts has been minimised.

[Armamike]

I think there has to be some sort of thoughtout response to different scenarios, call it a tactic or whatever term you want to use, but I would find it hard to believe that teams aren't looking at this. It's a different type of challenge now that teams can face.  "If the other team do this, what will we do?"  I would accept that a lot of it comes back to a level of intensity and hunger, and ability to field the ball, and go looking for it when you're team is under pressure.  But not so sure it's down to luck or chance. 

Different sport, but i remember when Rafa Benitez was at Liverpool, he was on record as saying he had a setplay for when the team were under pressure, or had just conceded a goal. It wasn't rocket science.  Along the lines of telling his goalie Pepa Reina to clear the ball, put it out of play over the sideline deep into the opponent's half and get reset. Or something to that effect. 

 

[tiempo]

Some excellent points here in the kickout discussion. The big winners I think are Tyrone. Malachy and Co will be flat out working out an A, B and C approach to avoid thst 14 point drubbing Armagh took through total domination of the kick out.

Rafferty is a phenomenal keeper but I can't recall him absolutely booting it to the opposition 45. Maybe he doesn't have it in his locker but we can see how effective it is. Two keepers who absolutely do have this is Morgan and Patton. We got at least 2 if not 3 scores of Dublin in the second half with deep kickout flicked on inside the Dublin 45.

If Kerry win the break then the long kick pass directly into the Kerry FF line isn't really on. Furthermore, it might encourage the press to back off a lot more to allow a safer shorter option.

Fascinating stuff and at the end of the day it might be a case of pure luck rather than any design as JoG2 mentions above.

I'd attribute Kerrys purple patch and overall performance to a greater hunger rather than luck, sometimes you can't out-tactic a team who are in a flow state with that fire in the belly

I get where the idea of luck comes from but I can't ascribe that to the greats of the game on song, desire would be overriding for me, they beat Armagh to the punch - I also feel the Jarly Og incident was a turning point

[AustinPowers]

The old momentum breaker was the mystery injury, but that one doesn't get used anymore.

Philly McMahon on the Indo podcast suggested starting a bit of a schmozzle - nothing serious, just a bit of handbags stuff to break the momentum! 

He had a point

[J70]

Tony Blake used to go down in the square with a contact lens problem when we needed a minute back in the late 90s and early 2000s (and we often did ).

Is that an option these days?

[weareros]

Tony Blake used to go down in the square with a contact lens problem when we needed a minute back in the late 90s and early 2000s (and we often did ).

Is that an option these days?

Pat Spillane fell to the ground in search of his contact lense in the 1980 All-Ireland final against Roscommon and the feckin referee gave him a free. That's what you were up against in those days.

[Armamike]

Is cramp allowed on a hot day? 

[AustinPowers]

Is cramp allowed on a hot day? 

Only if you're Michael Murphy

[Armagh18]

Some excellent points here in the kickout discussion. The big winners I think are Tyrone. Malachy and Co will be flat out working out an A, B and C approach to avoid thst 14 point drubbing Armagh took through total domination of the kick out.

Rafferty is a phenomenal keeper but I can't recall him absolutely booting it to the opposition 45. Maybe he doesn't have it in his locker but we can see how effective it is. Two keepers who absolutely do have this is Morgan and Patton. We got at least 2 if not 3 scores of Dublin in the second half with deep kickout flicked on inside the Dublin 45.

If Kerry win the break then the long kick pass directly into the Kerry FF line isn't really on. Furthermore, it might encourage the press to back off a lot more to allow a safer shorter option.

Fascinating stuff and at the end of the day it might be a case of pure luck rather than any design as JoG2 mentions above.

Think he tried one maybe not just as far as their 45 but landed one on Rian who punched it on but Kerry got the break. Should have tried a couple more as the threat of Conaty etc getting on the end of a flick would have forced Kerry back

[SaffronSports]

Kerry pressed well but like anything, there's an element of luck involved too. Even the shot Armagh had in that run of 14 points against them that took a deflection which wrong footed the keeper but just trickled wide.
Ultimately, I don't think Armagh are finished and I don't think Kerry are invincible either. Kerry put pressure on Armagh, got some luck with breaking ball and to their absolute credit, they took full advantage of the situation.

[DaleCooper]

There's an element of a statistical anomaly involved.

Like flipping a coin 100 times in a row, on different occasions you may have a blip of 6 heads in a row.

I say this not only due to winning of 50/50 ball [for example 7 times in a row] but also the conversion rate[75% or something] is outlier territory.

Especially in a game involving top teams.

[seafoid]

Kerry pressed well but like anything, there's an element of luck involved too. Even the shot Armagh had in that run of 14 points against them that took a deflection which wrong footed the keeper but just trickled wide.
Ultimately, I don't think Armagh are finished and I don't think Kerry are invincible either. Kerry put pressure on Armagh, got some luck with breaking ball and to their absolute credit, they took full advantage of the situation.

Kerry were beaten by Armagh last year. It's swings and roundabouts.  Armagh will be back again.Maybe for the third Sam. Unless Fermanagh get in the way.

[tiempo]

There's an element of a statistical anomaly involved.

Like flipping a coin 100 times in a row, on different occasions you may have a blip of 6 heads in a row.

I say this not only due to winning of 50/50 ball [for example 7 times in a row] but also the conversion rate[75% or something] is outlier territory.

Especially in a game involving top teams.

I like this take, there was something anomalous about it that I'm unwilling to attribute to luck

Kerry got their eye in, Armagh froze, given the stage the game was at it was enough to win the game pulling up