Kneecap...

[gallsman]

The prosecutor's words were:

The allegation in this case is a wholly different thing and deals with the video recording showing that, in November of last year, Mr O'Hanna wore and displayed the flag of Hezbollah ... while saying 'up Hamas, up Hezbollah'.

[gallsman]

Just as a reminder about what happens when people don't read things, or fly off the handle while foaming at the mouth and failing to read something fully, the original suggestion was that GIVEN HOW WE ALL KNOW AND AGREE THE ISRAELI PROPAGANDA MACHINE WILL SEIZE ON AND MANIPULATE THINGS, such actions (proclaiming support for Hamas/Hezbollah rather than sticking to criticism of Israel) are, at best, ill-advised and play directly into their hands.

I'm genuinely shocked that this has to be explained in such minute detail, but that is not the same thing as:

1) saying the Brits are correct to prosecute him
2) suggesting that such actions are on a par with the genocidal slaughter of tens of thousands.

Looking forward to seeing them on August 29th.

[Truthsayer]

Just as a reminder about what happens when people don't read things, or fly off the handle while foaming at the mouth and failing to read something fully, the original suggestion was that GIVEN HOW WE ALL KNOW AND AGREE THE ISRAELI PROPAGANDA MACHINE WILL SEIZE ON AND MANIPULATE THINGS, such actions (proclaiming support for Hamas/Hezbollah rather than sticking to criticism of Israel) are, at best, ill-advised and play directly into their hands.

I'm genuinely shocked that this has to be explained in such minute detail, but that is not the same thing as:

1) saying the Brits are correct to prosecute him
2) suggesting that such actions are on a par with the genocidal slaughter of tens of thousands.

Looking forward to seeing them on August 29th.

Who's foaming at the mouth? Jamie Bryson spake right there   
I don't even pay heed to the so-called Israeli propaganda machine... they're avowed murderers and liars totally discredited. Only ones coming out well from this is Kneecap and their campaign to highlight genocide in Gaza.

PS... The charge states that he "displayed an article, namely a flag, in such a way or in such circumstances as to arouse reasonable suspicion that he is a supporter of a proscribed organisation, namely Hizballah, contrary to section 13(1) (b) and (3) of the Terrorism Act 2000".  : )
Its ok to be wrong : )

[gallsman]

Who said anything about the charge? We're talking about what he's accused off. Read, dear boy!

[Truthsayer]

Who said anything about the charge? We're talking about what he's accused off. Read, dear boy!

Were you up all night thinking of that response?     The charge is what he is accused of lol! Have a nice day 

[tonto1888]

For those of you who can't read, or don't bother to, or want to, he is accused of displaying a flag and shouting "up Hamas, up Hezbollah".

Nope. Accused of displaying a flag in support of a proscribed organisation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy4k4xnlj8qo.amp

Em, yes.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/jun/18/kneecap-rapper-charged-with-terror-offence-released-on-unconditional-bail-liam-og-o-hannaidh?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

One of thems wrong. Huge own goal by British 'justice system'..

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/live-kneecap-member-mo-chara-31879880.amp

The guardian seems to be the only one that adds the shouting bit

[Banks of the Bann]

My point stands:

1. Israel tries to equate any criticism of them as support of Hamas.
2. Kneecap shouting 'Up Hamas' gives Israel an open goal.

It's simple and irrefutable.

[johnnycool]

My point stands:

1. Israel tries to equate any criticism of them as support of Hamas.
2. Kneecap shouting 'Up Hamas' gives Israel an open goal.

It's simple and irrefutable.

Mo Chara left himself open to this by what he shouted and will be used to build the case that he supports a proscribed organisation but make no bones about this the spotlight was shone on them after the Coachella thing in the US.

It looks like the defence are questioning whether the court have jurisdiction on this matter, anyone shed any light on that for us less well informed in the legal gymnastics at play? 

[Banks of the Bann]

My point stands:

1. Israel tries to equate any criticism of them as support of Hamas.
2. Kneecap shouting 'Up Hamas' gives Israel an open goal.

It's simple and irrefutable.

Mo Chara left himself open to this by what he shouted and will be used to build the case that he supports a proscribed organisation but make no bones about this the spotlight was shone on them after the Coachella thing in the US.

It looks like the defence are questioning whether the court have jurisdiction on this matter, anyone shed any light on that for us less well informed in the legal gymnastics at play? 

I'm not disputing that. Actually the fact that the spotlight was turned on them and what they said previously is now being used against them is the point I'm making.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

What Israel says and thinks doesn't matter, its a genocidal apartheid state that lies and lies and lies.

What this stupid case shows which has been evidence for years to most, some only more recently recognoise it and others like to distract and ignore is the hypocrisy of western politics, who are as bad if not worst than what they try and portrait as the most evil regimes and they are more than complicit, they are championing and fueling the narratives.

This is a complete own goal for the hasbara merchants... Kneecap are bigger now, the message has a widen audience, they have not been silenced and the hypocrisy of UK could not be any clearer.

Hezbollah are in Government in Lebanon, the UK trades with Lebanon, the UK government (despite legal agreements etc. then prevent trade with Hezollah) are likely providing more support than Mo Chara or Kneecap ever have but uthering 4 words and for f**k sake flying a flag!!

the last few pages play right into Israeli propagandists (if played out in a broader context.  for the avoidance of doubt I don't think Israelis read this forum etc.) hands by distracting away form the 100s murdered by Israel and its ISIS proxies daily while they try to get food

[Armagh18]

Surely theres precedent to ignoring that particular law given the amount of loyalist flags you'll see over the next few weeks and have been seeing for years..

[Milltown Row2]

Surely theres precedent to ignoring that particular law given the amount of loyalist flags you'll see over the next few weeks and have been seeing for years..

Yes, the UDA UVF LVF and so on proscribed organisations flegs, anyone putting them up will they get the same attention?

I doubt it very much and there will be no call out against it by even the nationalist or republican political parties..

BTW I've tried to listen to their music, still crap    

[Saffron_sam20]

Surely theres precedent to ignoring that particular law given the amount of loyalist flags you'll see over the next few weeks and have been seeing for years..

Yes, the UDA UVF LVF and so on proscribed organisations flegs, anyone putting them up will they get the same attention?

I doubt it very much and there will be no call out against it by even the nationalist or republican political parties..

BTW I've tried to listen to their music, still crap  

thats it, if the charges were crimes against music he'd be gonna do life! but this whole thing is a complete sham and just sums up where the UK is as a country. im sure from a personal point of view its not nice having it hang over your head but from a career and exposure pov its been sensational for them!

[gallsman]

the last few pages play right into Israeli propagandists (if played out in a broader context.  for the avoidance of doubt I don't think Israelis read this forum etc.) hands by distracting away form the 100s murdered by Israel and its ISIS proxies daily while they try to get food

Just to clarify, people discussing whether or not Kneecap/Mo Chara played into the hands of the Israeli propaganda machine, is what plays into the Israeli propaganda machine? You're gonna have to elaborate on that one.

[David McKeown]

My point stands:

1. Israel tries to equate any criticism of them as support of Hamas.
2. Kneecap shouting 'Up Hamas' gives Israel an open goal.

It's simple and irrefutable.

Mo Chara left himself open to this by what he shouted and will be used to build the case that he supports a proscribed organisation but make no bones about this the spotlight was shone on them after the Coachella thing in the US.

It looks like the defence are questioning whether the court have jurisdiction on this matter, anyone shed any light on that for us less well informed in the legal gymnastics at play? 

Yes although I think the reporting must be wrong. Either that or I can't read a calendar. The reporting suggesting the issue is one of the case being what's called statute barred.

This offence is what's known as a summary offence meaning it can only be heard in the Magistrates Court. It can not be heard in the Crown Court. Most summary offences (including this one) must be commenced within 6 months. Proceedings are commenced when a complaint is made to a lay magistrate not when a summons is issued. The complained of offence occurred in November. The proceedings don't seem to have been commenced until May. I can't remember the specific dates of either of those but a google suggests the CPS laid the complaint in time (just).