All Ireland Championship 2025.

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Dreadnought

Quote from: Mario on May 19, 2025, 09:40:34 AMListening to the GAA social this morning and McGeeney's comments after the Ulster final, I agree 100% that this is the best format of a championship that it is possible to get. This is our third year of it and there have been exciting final rounds in each year. This year there have been big shocks in the opening weekend leaving the groups wide open probably until the last game.

There is loads of jeopardy in every game as it's very difficult to get to an AI final unless you top your group. Of the 4 AI finalist only Galway last year didn't top their group but they had the eventual AI winners in their group. Galway and Mayo are under serious pressure in their final two games now.

Why are we changing it?
How on earth can you say that? This format allows for dead rubbers. By that very means it cannot be the best format

Mario

Quote from: Dreadnought on May 19, 2025, 10:08:17 AM
Quote from: Mario on May 19, 2025, 09:40:34 AMListening to the GAA social this morning and McGeeney's comments after the Ulster final, I agree 100% that this is the best format of a championship that it is possible to get. This is our third year of it and there have been exciting final rounds in each year. This year there have been big shocks in the opening weekend leaving the groups wide open probably until the last game.

There is loads of jeopardy in every game as it's very difficult to get to an AI final unless you top your group. Of the 4 AI finalist only Galway last year didn't top their group but they had the eventual AI winners in their group. Galway and Mayo are under serious pressure in their final two games now.

Why are we changing it?
How on earth can you say that? This format allows for dead rubbers. By that very means it cannot be the best format
In the first 2 years there were 48 group games. I believe one of those was a dead rubber.

Dreadnought

Quote from: Mario on May 19, 2025, 10:14:31 AM
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 19, 2025, 10:08:17 AM
Quote from: Mario on May 19, 2025, 09:40:34 AMListening to the GAA social this morning and McGeeney's comments after the Ulster final, I agree 100% that this is the best format of a championship that it is possible to get. This is our third year of it and there have been exciting final rounds in each year. This year there have been big shocks in the opening weekend leaving the groups wide open probably until the last game.

There is loads of jeopardy in every game as it's very difficult to get to an AI final unless you top your group. Of the 4 AI finalist only Galway last year didn't top their group but they had the eventual AI winners in their group. Galway and Mayo are under serious pressure in their final two games now.

Why are we changing it?
How on earth can you say that? This format allows for dead rubbers. By that very means it cannot be the best format
In the first 2 years there were 48 group games. I believe one of those was a dead rubber.
So not perfect. Got it

SouthOfThe Bann

Quote from: Dreadnought on May 19, 2025, 10:17:02 AM
Quote from: Mario on May 19, 2025, 10:14:31 AM
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 19, 2025, 10:08:17 AM
Quote from: Mario on May 19, 2025, 09:40:34 AMListening to the GAA social this morning and McGeeney's comments after the Ulster final, I agree 100% that this is the best format of a championship that it is possible to get. This is our third year of it and there have been exciting final rounds in each year. This year there have been big shocks in the opening weekend leaving the groups wide open probably until the last game.

There is loads of jeopardy in every game as it's very difficult to get to an AI final unless you top your group. Of the 4 AI finalist only Galway last year didn't top their group but they had the eventual AI winners in their group. Galway and Mayo are under serious pressure in their final two games now.

Why are we changing it?
How on earth can you say that? This format allows for dead rubbers. By that very means it cannot be the best format
In the first 2 years there were 48 group games. I believe one of those was a dead rubber.
So not perfect. Got it

No system is perfect and no matter what system we have we will have people complaining.

mouview

Quote from: Dreadnought on May 19, 2025, 10:08:17 AM
Quote from: Mario on May 19, 2025, 09:40:34 AMListening to the GAA social this morning and McGeeney's comments after the Ulster final, I agree 100% that this is the best format of a championship that it is possible to get. This is our third year of it and there have been exciting final rounds in each year. This year there have been big shocks in the opening weekend leaving the groups wide open probably until the last game.

There is loads of jeopardy in every game as it's very difficult to get to an AI final unless you top your group. Of the 4 AI finalist only Galway last year didn't top their group but they had the eventual AI winners in their group. Galway and Mayo are under serious pressure in their final two games now.

Why are we changing it?
How on earth can you say that? This format allows for dead rubbers. By that very means it cannot be the best format

Very few teams eliminated by the final round of games so can't see too many dead rubbers there.

Dreadnought

Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on May 19, 2025, 10:21:34 AM
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 19, 2025, 10:17:02 AM
Quote from: Mario on May 19, 2025, 10:14:31 AM
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 19, 2025, 10:08:17 AM
Quote from: Mario on May 19, 2025, 09:40:34 AMListening to the GAA social this morning and McGeeney's comments after the Ulster final, I agree 100% that this is the best format of a championship that it is possible to get. This is our third year of it and there have been exciting final rounds in each year. This year there have been big shocks in the opening weekend leaving the groups wide open probably until the last game.

There is loads of jeopardy in every game as it's very difficult to get to an AI final unless you top your group. Of the 4 AI finalist only Galway last year didn't top their group but they had the eventual AI winners in their group. Galway and Mayo are under serious pressure in their final two games now.

Why are we changing it?
How on earth can you say that? This format allows for dead rubbers. By that very means it cannot be the best format
In the first 2 years there were 48 group games. I believe one of those was a dead rubber.
So not perfect. Got it

No system is perfect and no matter what system we have we will have people complaining.
I simply think it's mad we placed a mini League into a Championship to eliminate 4 out of 16 teams and people think that format cannot be bettered is all. It can hardly be so good if people are voting with their feet and staying away from these matches until actual knockouts which have jeopardy

Dreadnought

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Quote from: mouview on May 19, 2025, 10:24:34 AM
Quote from: Dreadnought on May 19, 2025, 10:08:17 AM
Quote from: Mario on May 19, 2025, 09:40:34 AMListening to the GAA social this morning and McGeeney's comments after the Ulster final, I agree 100% that this is the best format of a championship that it is possible to get. This is our third year of it and there have been exciting final rounds in each year. This year there have been big shocks in the opening weekend leaving the groups wide open probably until the last game.

There is loads of jeopardy in every game as it's very difficult to get to an AI final unless you top your group. Of the 4 AI finalist only Galway last year didn't top their group but they had the eventual AI winners in their group. Galway and Mayo are under serious pressure in their final two games now.

Why are we changing it?
How on earth can you say that? This format allows for dead rubbers. By that very means it cannot be the best format

Very few teams eliminated by the final round of games so can't see too many dead rubbers there.
But there are dead rubbers. 48 games to eliminate 4 out of 16 teams is hardly a format that cannot be bettered is all I'm saying

tiempo

Straight knockout is the only non-dead rubber format, big fecking deal if there's a few perceived dead rubbers if the overwhelming majority are compelling

Dreadnought

Quote from: tiempo on May 19, 2025, 10:50:46 AMStraight knockout is the only non-dead rubber format, big fecking deal if there's a few perceived dead rubbers if the overwhelming majority are compelling
Was the old qualifier format a non dead rubber format too? Is the format next year also a non dead rubber format too?

Is the majority compelling really?

Rossfan

Jeopardy Jarlath, aided by media, led a blitzkrieg on the current system last May. Then HQ presented some systems to the Counties emphasising that they had a preference for 1 if them.

There are plusses and minuses with any system.

We'll see this time next year how the new system goes.
Play the game and play it fairly
Play the game like Dermot Earley.

Armagh18

Quote from: mackers on May 19, 2025, 09:56:27 AM
Quote from: Mario on May 19, 2025, 09:40:34 AMListening to the GAA social this morning and McGeeney's comments after the Ulster final, I agree 100% that this is the best format of a championship that it is possible to get. This is our third year of it and there have been exciting final rounds in each year. This year there have been big shocks in the opening weekend leaving the groups wide open probably until the last game.

There is loads of jeopardy in every game as it's very difficult to get to an AI final unless you top your group. Of the 4 AI finalist only Galway last year didn't top their group but they had the eventual AI winners in their group. Galway and Mayo are under serious pressure in their final two games now.

Why are we changing it?
I think they are changing it to open up the calendar a bit with one less game but I agree, it's complete madness to change it.
Numpties were saying there was little jeopardy in the games but there was!!
You had to win one game to get out of the group, you had to win a second game to guarantee a "home" preliminary qf and if you won your third game you were guaranteed a qf place and a week's rest. One of the most important results for us last year was the draw against Galway in Sligo.

Even at that, Mayo might win a game and depending on other results still come 4th due to head to head with Cavan. I think its a great system, but the unfairness of a team getting week break vs a team on the go 2 weeks in a row would have needed looked at. (Dublin and us next week.)

Maroon Manc

Galway probably didn't too bad when in possession but just didn't have enough of it in the first half.

O'Callaghan, Kilkenny, O'Cofaigh Byrne and O'Dell were superb whereas Conroy & D'Arcy were very poor and had no impact on the game. Some of the matchup didn't work, McGrath struggled on O'Callaghan as did Hernon. I suspect they would have both done better if they'd swapped.

I know its not easy but Tierney had a relatively simple pass to Kelly when he scored the equalising point.

Culhane found very wanting for Dublins last 2 scores, not a great cameo from him.

Thompson excellent again, for a 20 year old he looks more then as ease at this level; His goal was brilliant.

Huge game in 2 weeks against Derry, hope to see a reaction. If Armagh & Galway beat Derry and the Dubs beat Armagh it would leave the last round of fixtures as a dead rubber.




meatsy86

Quote from: Maroon Manc on May 19, 2025, 11:15:40 AMGalway probably didn't too bad when in possession but just didn't have enough of it in the first half.

O'Callaghan, Kilkenny, O'Cofaigh Byrne and O'Dell were superb whereas Conroy & D'Arcy were very poor and had no impact on the game. Some of the matchup didn't work, McGrath struggled on O'Callaghan as did Hernon. I suspect they would have both done better if they'd swapped.

I know its not easy but Tierney had a relatively simple pass to Kelly when he scored the equalising point.

Culhane found very wanting for Dublins last 2 scores, not a great cameo from him.

Thompson excellent again, for a 20 year old he looks more then as ease at this level; His goal was brilliant.

Huge game in 2 weeks against Derry, hope to see a reaction. If Armagh & Galway beat Derry and the Dubs beat Armagh it would leave the last round of fixtures as a dead rubber.





Well if you classify the Armagh Galway match with the winner guaranteed a Home venue for Preliminary Quarter Final as a dead rubber then ok. Alot of football to be played n between times.

Rossfan

Wexford v Kilkenny hurling next weekend is a dead rubber.
Wonder will local rivalry ignore the dead rubberitis or will KK put out their 2nd best 15??
Play the game and play it fairly
Play the game like Dermot Earley.

Armagh18

Quote from: Maroon Manc on May 19, 2025, 11:15:40 AMGalway probably didn't too bad when in possession but just didn't have enough of it in the first half.

O'Callaghan, Kilkenny, O'Cofaigh Byrne and O'Dell were superb whereas Conroy & D'Arcy were very poor and had no impact on the game. Some of the matchup didn't work, McGrath struggled on O'Callaghan as did Hernon. I suspect they would have both done better if they'd swapped.

I know its not easy but Tierney had a relatively simple pass to Kelly when he scored the equalising point.

Culhane found very wanting for Dublins last 2 scores, not a great cameo from him.

Thompson excellent again, for a 20 year old he looks more then as ease at this level; His goal was brilliant.

Huge game in 2 weeks against Derry, hope to see a reaction. If Armagh & Galway beat Derry and the Dubs beat Armagh it would leave the last round of fixtures as a dead rubber.




Not really as Im sure Armagh and Galway would both prefer a home draw as an away one, Down and Cavan look likely to be 3rd seeds and no disrespect Galway and Armagh would beat either comfortably you would say