FRC Feedback - poll on new rules - which do you like least?

[Mad Mentor]

If it's such a contentious issue (hurling fan here really), why has the tackle never been defined? I would have thought this would be the most logical approach. I have not seen any proposals anywhere of what it should look like, or moves to define it. It's a bit like banning drink driving but not defining an alcohol level.
What would be a good wording that would work?

[Lamps]

Surely this 2 pointer  "touch" thing needs removing ASAP?

Clearly  nobody could tell whether the ball was over the bar before the Galway keeper got a  touch? 

They scrapped  the Anthony Nash  penalty  mid season , so surely they can do likewise here?

Just kick the next ball higher where the keeper won't get it!

[shawshank]

The 4m protection on the player who catches a kickout is some bollox of a rule.
And I agree completely on the tackle. One ref thinks the game is basketball, the other lets contact occur.
You only have to look at Sundays Connacht final. Watch the tackles the refs punished in the first 15 minutes of the game compared to what he permitted as tackles the last ten minutes, a contradiction in one game. 

[Milltown Row2]

If it's such a contentious issue (hurling fan here really), why has the tackle never been defined? I would have thought this would be the most logical approach. I have not seen any proposals anywhere of what it should look like, or moves to define it. It's a bit like banning drink driving but not defining an alcohol level.
What would be a good wording that would work?

That's the thing, it would open up a whole can or worms, by the rule book the only physical tackle allowed is the shoulder to shoulder tackle, everything else with regards to contact to the player is a foul!

What would people feel would be 'acceptable' with regards to the tackle.. Be interesting to know

[Milltown Row2]

The 4m protection on the player who catches a kickout is some bollox of a rule.
And I agree completely on the tackle. One ref thinks the game is basketball, the other lets contact occur.
You only have to look at Sundays Connacht final. Watch the tackles the refs punished in the first 15 minutes of the game compared to what he permitted as tackles the last ten minutes, a contradiction in one game. 

That rule was there from the start of the Mark rule...

[shawshank]

I don't think the 50m penalty was there, thats more accurately what I think is a ballox

[Milltown Row2]

I don't think the 50m penalty was there, thats more accurately what I think is a ballox

Yeah it was just 13m

[Rossfan]

The old GAAboard classic "load of bolox" hasn't gone away!

[AustinPowers]

Surely this 2 pointer  "touch" thing needs removing ASAP?

Clearly  nobody could tell whether the ball was over the bar before the Galway keeper got a  touch? 

They scrapped  the Anthony Nash  penalty  mid season , so surely they can do likewise here?

Just kick the next ball higher where the keeper won't get it!

You could have  Also have  the situation in the same kick ,  whether the defender got a touch on it as well.

I despise the 2 pointer thing but if it's here , then surely the common sense approach is  scrap this  'no touch' aspect.  If it's good enough to go over from outside  the arc , it shouldn't matter if there's a touch on it  or not

A load of bollox

[David McKeown]

Surely this 2 pointer  "touch" thing needs removing ASAP?

Clearly  nobody could tell whether the ball was over the bar before the Galway keeper got a  touch? 

They scrapped  the Anthony Nash  penalty  mid season , so surely they can do likewise here?

Just kick the next ball higher where the keeper won't get it!

You could have  Also have  the situation in the same kick ,  whether the defender got a touch on it as well.

I despise the 2 pointer thing but if it's here , then surely the common sense approach is  scrap this  'no touch' aspect.  If it's good enough to go over from outside  the arc , it shouldn't matter if there's a touch on it  or not

A load of bollox

I think Fitzmaurice is you run the risk of going the other way. A kick going short but being flicked by an attacker or mistimed by a defender trying to clear would be a two pointer.

[onefineday]

The word is there won't be further "tweaks".
Any such will have to wait for the Special Congress.

Yes, they've said that, but there's nothing stopping them making the tweak if they want.
And they really should with this one - we flagged it here months ago and thought they'd rectified it in the round 5 tweaks, but no. The baffling thing is that they did make changes to the wording on this topic in the round 5 tweaks, but deliberately left this - I genuinely can't understand why they would do that?
Simply stating that a kick from outside the arc which goes over the bar without being touched by an attacking player inside the arc is worth 2 pts would have sorted it - unless there's something I'm missing - any suggestions as to why this was allowed to remain??

[thewobbler]

Just wow.

FRC deserve plaudits beyond words

[David McKeown]

Just wow.

FRC deserve plaudits beyond words

Wobbler can I ask as part of a genuine discussion why you are in so in favour of the rules?  For me games are only exciting in the last 10 mins.  Even yesterdays game I never really got the impression Armagh could win until extra time as opposed to last year which I felt could go either way throughout.  Coupled with that there was about 9 minutes or more of just pure keep ball.  I found that very boring.  Even the Leinster final today I felt the same.

[thewobbler]

Just wow.

FRC deserve plaudits beyond words

Wobbler can I ask as part of a genuine discussion why you are in so in favour of the rules?  For me games are only exciting in the last 10 mins.  Even yesterdays game I never really got the impression Armagh could win until extra time as opposed to last year which I felt could go either way throughout.  Coupled with that there was about 9 minutes or more of just pure keep ball.  I found that very boring.  Even the Leinster final today I felt the same.

David as I don't believe you're a WUM, it's pretty clear that you had settled on a position on the new rules ahead of this season, and are steadfastly unwilling to adapt or evolve that position. Indeed you would seem to be wilfully interpreting visual information in a polar opposite way to everyone else. These aren't even "takes" you're making, for "takes" involve spotting an incident or two and extrapolating a subjective assessment of why it's taking place. You are, bluntly and deliberately, looking at football through a prism.

[trileacman]

Just wow.

FRC deserve plaudits beyond words

Wobbler can I ask as part of a genuine discussion why you are in so in favour of the rules?  For me games are only exciting in the last 10 mins.  Even yesterdays game I never really got the impression Armagh could win until extra time as opposed to last year which I felt could go either way throughout.  Coupled with that there was about 9 minutes or more of just pure keep ball.  I found that very boring.  Even the Leinster final today I felt the same.

David as I don't believe you're a WUM, it's pretty clear that you had settled on a position on the new rules ahead of this season, and are steadfastly unwilling to adapt or evolve that position. Indeed you would seem to be wilfully interpreting visual information in a polar opposite way to everyone else. These aren't even "takes" you're making, for "takes" involve spotting an incident or two and extrapolating a subjective assessment of why it's taking place. You are, bluntly and deliberately, looking at football through a prism.

Do you not see you are equally prejudiced in favour of the rules? I mean I don't think you'll find anyone today talking about Armagh Donegal as one of the classics of football. Yet the "FRC deserve plaudits beyond words". Come on lad.