All Ireland Championship 2025.

[GalwayBayBoy]

Zero benefit to winning your province really. Roscommon, hammered in a Connacht semi final will probably end up in the handiest group, relatively speaking, of all the Connacht sides. I know 3 teams get out anyway but it's a weird anomaly.

[snoopdog]

Armagh potentially could have Tyrone, then Doengal and then Tyrone again.

Donegal will have had Derry, Monaghan, Down, Armagh, Tyrone, Mayo/Galway and Cavan to get to same stage as Kerry. Bit of a joke.

Kerry have Cork, Clare then Roscommon. Some difference there.

Kerry won't be well tested by the time it reaches knockout, could bite them in the arse.

Every year when the draw happens it becomes clearer and clearer how the Ulster counties absolutely screwed themselves by not voting to break the link between the provincials and the All-Ireland Series.
The thing was the Ulster counties are always going to have a harder route to the All-Ireland until that link is broken. The provincial councils are likely going to do all in their not insignifcant power to keep that link at all costs for the forseeable future. Looking back it's actually a bit amazing that the option to break the link was even put to a vote.

Imagine how much poorer attendances would be overall without Provincial. And they're pretty low at thr moment.

[general_lee]

Armagh potentially could have Tyrone, then Doengal and then Tyrone again.

Donegal will have had Derry, Monaghan, Down, Armagh, Tyrone, Mayo/Galway and Cavan to get to same stage as Kerry. Bit of a joke.

Kerry have Cork, Clare then Roscommon. Some difference there.

Kerry won't be well tested by the time it reaches knockout, could bite them in the arse.

Every year when the draw happens it becomes clearer and clearer how the Ulster counties absolutely screwed themselves by not voting to break the link between the provincials and the All-Ireland Series.
The thing was the Ulster counties are always going to have a harder route to the All-Ireland until that link is broken. The provincial councils are likely going to do all in their not insignifcant power to keep that link at all costs for the forseeable future. Looking back it's actually a bit amazing that the option to break the link was even put to a vote.

It would be crazy to do away with the provincial championships. After the Munster Hurling Championship, the Ulster Football Championship is the most prestigious competition outside of All Irelands.

[snoopdog]

If Louth win Leinster i think they will play Monaghan at home. Louth use inniskeen as a home venue?  Which is in Monaghan. 

[armaghniac]

If Louth win Leinster i think they will play Monaghan at home. Louth use inniskeen as a home venue?  Which is in Monaghan. 

They can always come to Cross'.

[twohands!!!]

It would be crazy to do away with the provincial championships. After the Munster Hurling Championship, the Ulster Football Championship is the most prestigious competition outside of All Irelands.

I don't think anyone has seriously suggested doing away with the provincial championships.

What was suggested and was voted on was breaking the link between the provincials championships and the All Ireland i.e the provincial championships would have no impact on the All Ireland series.
The Ulster counties pretty much all voted against this proposal even though keeping the link meant that they would always have a harder run of games to win Sam. If they'd voted for the proposal that would have based the All-Ireland seedings entirely off the league placings it would have made things far easier in terms of winning Sam. The Ulster Council somehow convinced the Ulster counties that keeping the link made the most sense for them. The fact is the Ulster Counties had the chance to make things easier for themselves and for whatever reason rejected it.

There's very little chance the provincial councils will allow this (breaking the link between the provincials and the All Ireland series) to be voted on for a long time to come.

[nrico2006]

Why are attendances low? Is it the availability of games online or the extortionate price of a ticket, or simply both?

[Wildweasel74]

High prices, games too close together

[Wildweasel74]

For a 16 team championship u ended up with 4 current Division 1 teams in the 1 group.

[armaghniac]

It would be crazy to do away with the provincial championships. After the Munster Hurling Championship, the Ulster Football Championship is the most prestigious competition outside of All Irelands.

I don't think anyone has seriously suggested doing away with the provincial championships.

What was suggested and was voted on was breaking the link between the provincials championships and the All Ireland i.e the provincial championships would have no impact on the All Ireland series.
The Ulster counties pretty much all voted against this proposal even though keeping the link meant that they would always have a harder run of games to win Sam. If they'd voted for the proposal that would have based the All-Ireland seedings entirely off the league placings it would have made things far easier in terms of winning Sam. The Ulster Council somehow convinced the Ulster counties that keeping the link made the most sense for them. The fact is the Ulster Counties had the chance to make things easier for themselves and for whatever reason rejected it.

There's very little chance the provincial councils will allow this (breaking the link between the provincials and the All Ireland series) to be voted on for a long time to come.

The obvious solution is a seeding system that takes into account the teams you beat in the provincials. So beating Clare would not improve your seeding as much as beating Tyrone. if this happened then both Ulster finalists could be first seeds as they actually beat some teams along the way.

[snoopdog]

Sure they're going back to the qualifier route next year or a version of it.

[snoopdog]

Why are attendances low? Is it the availability of games online or the extortionate price of a ticket, or simply both?

I'd say ticket prices don't help. 30 euro for a seat in the covered stand in Clones at weekend , 20 to stand. In what are basic facilities. Also the lack of promotion. Gaa and rte promote the Munster hurling but nothing else. And the fact it's going up against the end of the PL, FA Cup semi finals, end of rugby season.
But the main problem is the gaa themselves. Greed and stupidity.

[AustinPowers]

Sure they're going back to the qualifier route next year or a version of it.

Yes I was wondering  that. What' s the plan for next year?

[Mario]

Why are attendances low? Is it the availability of games online or the extortionate price of a ticket, or simply both?

I'd say ticket prices don't help. 30 euro for a seat in the covered stand in Clones at weekend , 20 to stand. In what are basic facilities. Also the lack of promotion. Gaa and rte promote the Munster hurling but nothing else. And the fact it's going up against the end of the PL, FA Cup semi finals, end of rugby season.
But the main problem is the gaa themselves. Greed and stupidity.

I don't think it is ticket prices. Are Donegal and Armagh fans just richer than the rest of us? Life is faster paced now than it was in the 90s there are more distractions and access to other sports. If a game is on tv will you give up your whole Sunday to watch it.

[The Trap]

All of these group games to lose 4 teams.

Probably Cavan, Derry, Clare will be 3 of them.

There will be some good ties on the face of it and winning the group is an advantage but they aren't exactly do or die and that's what brings the crowds.