Ulster Championship 2025

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Wildweasel74

Well our Goalkeeper can't even manage a 20m chip out to a defender.

thebigfullforward

Quote from: screenexile on April 20, 2025, 02:03:03 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 19, 2025, 10:58:01 PMHow many clean catches in 40 plus kickouts?

I can't find stats but there were plenty of clean catches by McGurn and Murdock...

Are you saying the 10 yard chip out to an unmarked corner back is more skilful?? How many of those did we used to get?

I'd rather have a scrappy contest for 50/50 ball in midfield than the 10 yard chip!
Sure if you're a neutral. If you're supporting a team there's no way you'd rather 50/50 balls than guaranteed possession? Especially if the opposition is winning the kickouts constantly

thewobbler

Quote from: thebigfullforward on April 20, 2025, 09:43:14 AM
Quote from: screenexile on April 20, 2025, 02:03:03 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 19, 2025, 10:58:01 PMHow many clean catches in 40 plus kickouts?

I can't find stats but there were plenty of clean catches by McGurn and Murdock...

Are you saying the 10 yard chip out to an unmarked corner back is more skilful?? How many of those did we used to get?

I'd rather have a scrappy contest for 50/50 ball in midfield than the 10 yard chip!
Sure if you're a neutral. If you're supporting a team there's no way you'd rather 50/50 balls than guaranteed possession? Especially if the opposition is winning the kickouts constantly

If you subscribe to the belief that every time a team has a shot (a wide or a score) then their opponent should be permitted to gain unchallenged possession, then you're correct.

The real question though surrounds why anyone would subscribe to that belief.


David McKeown

Quote from: thewobbler on April 20, 2025, 09:49:25 AM
Quote from: thebigfullforward on April 20, 2025, 09:43:14 AM
Quote from: screenexile on April 20, 2025, 02:03:03 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 19, 2025, 10:58:01 PMHow many clean catches in 40 plus kickouts?

I can't find stats but there were plenty of clean catches by McGurn and Murdock...

Are you saying the 10 yard chip out to an unmarked corner back is more skilful?? How many of those did we used to get?

I'd rather have a scrappy contest for 50/50 ball in midfield than the 10 yard chip!
Sure if you're a neutral. If you're supporting a team there's no way you'd rather 50/50 balls than guaranteed possession? Especially if the opposition is winning the kickouts constantly

If you subscribe to the belief that every time a team has a shot (a wide or a score) then their opponent should be permitted to gain unchallenged possession, then you're correct.

The real question though surrounds why anyone would subscribe to that belief.



I think my issue is that it seriously hampers the ability of teams to decide to go short. It also punishes adversely the teams who are taking the kick out if they don't at least break the ball. The rule makes defensive structure much harder to maintain. I think that's too much of a punishment.

In the old rules there had become a real risk reward jeopardy on pushing up on kick outs. I preferred that but felt teams were too conservative in their approach. Under the current rules I think there's less scope for variation and it makes things slightly more boring. All that said the more I watch the games on TV as opposed to being there the more I can see why neutral tv audiences may prefer a lot of the newer rules.
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David McKeown

Is the Monaghan v Donegal game today only on GAA+?
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Gazboy

Quote from: David McKeown on April 20, 2025, 10:24:36 AMIs the Monaghan v Donegal game today only on GAA+?
Yes it is unfortunately for some.

Saffron_sam20

Quote from: thewobbler on April 20, 2025, 09:49:25 AM
Quote from: thebigfullforward on April 20, 2025, 09:43:14 AM
Quote from: screenexile on April 20, 2025, 02:03:03 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 19, 2025, 10:58:01 PMHow many clean catches in 40 plus kickouts?

I can't find stats but there were plenty of clean catches by McGurn and Murdock...

Are you saying the 10 yard chip out to an unmarked corner back is more skilful?? How many of those did we used to get?

I'd rather have a scrappy contest for 50/50 ball in midfield than the 10 yard chip!
Sure if you're a neutral. If you're supporting a team there's no way you'd rather 50/50 balls than guaranteed possession? Especially if the opposition is winning the kickouts constantly

If you subscribe to the belief that every time a team has a shot (a wide or a score) then their opponent should be permitted to gain unchallenged possession, then you're correct.

The real question though surrounds why anyone would subscribe to that belief.



You mean like most team sports?

Armagh18

Quote from: thewobbler on April 20, 2025, 09:49:25 AM
Quote from: thebigfullforward on April 20, 2025, 09:43:14 AM
Quote from: screenexile on April 20, 2025, 02:03:03 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 19, 2025, 10:58:01 PMHow many clean catches in 40 plus kickouts?

I can't find stats but there were plenty of clean catches by McGurn and Murdock...

Are you saying the 10 yard chip out to an unmarked corner back is more skilful?? How many of those did we used to get?

I'd rather have a scrappy contest for 50/50 ball in midfield than the 10 yard chip!
Sure if you're a neutral. If you're supporting a team there's no way you'd rather 50/50 balls than guaranteed possession? Especially if the opposition is winning the kickouts constantly

If you subscribe to the belief that every time a team has a shot (a wide or a score) then their opponent should be permitted to gain unchallenged possession, then you're correct.

The real question though surrounds why anyone would subscribe to that belief.


It adds more to the game. You can as an opposition choose to press that kick, maybe allow a weaker player get the ball then put pressure on, the skill in getting a man free for a short kick out if the opposition  do press up. Now its just hoof and hope most of the time.

Saffron_sam20

Quote from: Gazboy on April 20, 2025, 10:54:10 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on April 20, 2025, 10:24:36 AMIs the Monaghan v Donegal game today only on GAA+?
Yes it is unfortunately for some.

Is the GAA+ available on them dodgy sticks? Asking for a friend

clonian

Quote from: Saffron_sam20 on April 20, 2025, 11:46:39 AM
Quote from: Gazboy on April 20, 2025, 10:54:10 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on April 20, 2025, 10:24:36 AMIs the Monaghan v Donegal game today only on GAA+?
Yes it is unfortunately for some.

Is the GAA+ available on them dodgy sticks? Asking for a friend

A friend said yes but the stream for the cork and kerry match was constantly going down. So he say anyway

snoopdog

Quote from: clonian on April 20, 2025, 11:50:07 AM
Quote from: Saffron_sam20 on April 20, 2025, 11:46:39 AM
Quote from: Gazboy on April 20, 2025, 10:54:10 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on April 20, 2025, 10:24:36 AMIs the Monaghan v Donegal game today only on GAA+?
Yes it is unfortunately for some.

Is the GAA+ available on them dodgy sticks? Asking for a friend

A friend said yes but the stream for the cork and kerry match was constantly going down. So he say anyway
Quote from: Saffron_sam20 on April 20, 2025, 11:46:39 AM
Quote from: Gazboy on April 20, 2025, 10:54:10 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on April 20, 2025, 10:24:36 AMIs the Monaghan v Donegal game today only on GAA+?
Yes it is unfortunately for some.

Is the GAA+ available on them dodgy sticks? Asking for a friend
Don't you know the Munster hurling championship takes over on rte for thr next month. Marty will be waxing lyrical about it.

David McKeown

Quote from: snoopdog on April 20, 2025, 12:18:15 PM
Quote from: clonian on April 20, 2025, 11:50:07 AM
Quote from: Saffron_sam20 on April 20, 2025, 11:46:39 AM
Quote from: Gazboy on April 20, 2025, 10:54:10 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on April 20, 2025, 10:24:36 AMIs the Monaghan v Donegal game today only on GAA+?
Yes it is unfortunately for some.

Is the GAA+ available on them dodgy sticks? Asking for a friend

A friend said yes but the stream for the cork and kerry match was constantly going down. So he say anyway
Quote from: Saffron_sam20 on April 20, 2025, 11:46:39 AM
Quote from: Gazboy on April 20, 2025, 10:54:10 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on April 20, 2025, 10:24:36 AMIs the Monaghan v Donegal game today only on GAA+?
Yes it is unfortunately for some.

Is the GAA+ available on them dodgy sticks? Asking for a friend
Don't you know the Munster hurling championship takes over on rte for thr next month. Marty will be waxing lyrical about it.

In fairness I have long thought of the Munster Hurling Championship as one of the finest competitions in any sport so I can't really complain about that.  I thought BBC may have offered an alternative given they have the rights to the game but c'est la vie
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Tubberman

Quote from: clonian on April 20, 2025, 11:50:07 AM
Quote from: Saffron_sam20 on April 20, 2025, 11:46:39 AM
Quote from: Gazboy on April 20, 2025, 10:54:10 AM
Quote from: David McKeown on April 20, 2025, 10:24:36 AMIs the Monaghan v Donegal game today only on GAA+?
Yes it is unfortunately for some.

Is the GAA+ available on them dodgy sticks? Asking for a friend

A friend said yes but the stream for the cork and kerry match was constantly going down. So he say anyway

Must have been his Internet connection, the stream was perfect for me
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marty34

Munster Hurling Championship is the jewel in the GAA's crown for sure.

They should show every game live.

Top notch stuff.

thebigfullforward

Quote from: thewobbler on April 20, 2025, 09:49:25 AM
Quote from: thebigfullforward on April 20, 2025, 09:43:14 AM
Quote from: screenexile on April 20, 2025, 02:03:03 AM
Quote from: Wildweasel74 on April 19, 2025, 10:58:01 PMHow many clean catches in 40 plus kickouts?

I can't find stats but there were plenty of clean catches by McGurn and Murdock...

Are you saying the 10 yard chip out to an unmarked corner back is more skilful?? How many of those did we used to get?

I'd rather have a scrappy contest for 50/50 ball in midfield than the 10 yard chip!
Sure if you're a neutral. If you're supporting a team there's no way you'd rather 50/50 balls than guaranteed possession? Especially if the opposition is winning the kickouts constantly

If you subscribe to the belief that every time a team has a shot (a wide or a score) then their opponent should be permitted to gain unchallenged possession, then you're correct.

The real question though surrounds why anyone would subscribe to that belief.


I never said that. There's a skill in finding players in pockets no matter what you think. Remember a Kerry game last year or hear before where they were under serious pressure. Shane Ryan had 2 or 3 kickouts and went short with them whilst opposition pressed up. Was the winning of the game as they managed to retain possession. Didn't have to go long. There was more skill in those kickouts than there is in a hit and hope kickout. If it went wrong a goal was on straight away. That's the kickouts I like to see. Pressure on the keeper and he still remained calm and picked his players out