Ulster Championship 2025

[Armagh18]

Who were these 4/5 men with bloody faces?

McQuillan and Oisin O'Neill were busted, didn't see Oisins but is McQuillans case he took at bad touch and left himself wide open, your man got the ball. Jarly Og took a heavy hit not sure if he was busted, but again was wide open ball there to be won no complaints.

[David McKeown]

Who were these 4/5 men with bloody faces?

McQuillan and Oisin O'Neill were busted, didn't see Oisins but is McQuillans case he took at bad touch and left himself wide open, your man got the ball. Jarly Og took a heavy hit not sure if he was busted, but again was wide open ball there to be won no complaints.

McQuillians one whilst the Antrim player did flick the ball I thought he carried on through and was lucky to avoid sanction.

There was also a yellow for what I thought was a clear black on Jarly late in the first half.

There was a shoulder to Jarly Og's head when he was bending early on that another ref may have seen differently.

That said I thought Mossey might have also been guilty of similar and Aidan Forker seemed to get involved in something but there was no replays of it.

[Milltown Row2]

Both players were going for the ball, honestly, and Burns came off worse, 50 50 ball.

The yellow the Antrim lad got was for being tackled after the ball was played, I'm not giving a black card for that as he was late, not deliberately taking him down, I'm fact in that incident it was his lineman that brought it to his attention as he didn't put the hand up to give advantage, for a big man he's on the floor a lot

[Armagh18]

Who were these 4/5 men with bloody faces?

McQuillan and Oisin O'Neill were busted, didn't see Oisins but is McQuillans case he took at bad touch and left himself wide open, your man got the ball. Jarly Og took a heavy hit not sure if he was busted, but again was wide open ball there to be won no complaints.

McQuillians one whilst the Antrim player did flick the ball I thought he carried on through and was lucky to avoid sanction.

There was also a yellow for what I thought was a clear black on Jarly late in the first half.

There was a shoulder to Jarly Og's head when he was bending early on that another ref may have seen differently.

That said I thought Mossey might have also been guilty of similar and Aidan Forker seemed to get involved in something but there was no replays of it.

Wouldn't be like Forker...

[ranch]

Both players were going for the ball, honestly, and Burns came off worse, 50 50 ball.

The yellow the Antrim lad got was for being tackled after the ball was played, I'm not giving a black card for that as he was late, not deliberately taking him down, I'm fact in that incident it was his lineman that brought it to his attention as he didn't put the hand up to give advantage, for a big man he's on the floor a lot

So you think he was diving?

[David McKeown]

Both players were going for the ball, honestly, and Burns came off worse, 50 50 ball.

The yellow the Antrim lad got was for being tackled after the ball was played, I'm not giving a black card for that as he was late, not deliberately taking him down, I'm fact in that incident it was his lineman that brought it to his attention as he didn't put the hand up to give advantage, for a big man he's on the floor a lot

We will agree to disagree on both of those.

[Armagh18]

Both players were going for the ball, honestly, and Burns came off worse, 50 50 ball.

The yellow the Antrim lad got was for being tackled after the ball was played, I'm not giving a black card for that as he was late, not deliberately taking him down, I'm fact in that incident it was his lineman that brought it to his attention as he didn't put the hand up to give advantage, for a big man he's on the floor a lot

So you think he was diving?

He got a slap in the chest once and went down holding his head. Sicken ya.

[David McKeown]

Both players were going for the ball, honestly, and Burns came off worse, 50 50 ball.

The yellow the Antrim lad got was for being tackled after the ball was played, I'm not giving a black card for that as he was late, not deliberately taking him down, I'm fact in that incident it was his lineman that brought it to his attention as he didn't put the hand up to give advantage, for a big man he's on the floor a lot

So you think he was diving?

He got a slap in the chest once and went down holding his head. Sicken ya.

Was that not soupy?

[Milltown Row2]

Both players were going for the ball, honestly, and Burns came off worse, 50 50 ball.

The yellow the Antrim lad got was for being tackled after the ball was played, I'm not giving a black card for that as he was late, not deliberately taking him down, I'm fact in that incident it was his lineman that brought it to his attention as he didn't put the hand up to give advantage, for a big man he's on the floor a lot

So you think he was diving?

I said, and instead of putting words in my mouth, for a big lad he's on the floor a lot.

[Milltown Row2]

Both players were going for the ball, honestly, and Burns came off worse, 50 50 ball.

The yellow the Antrim lad got was for being tackled after the ball was played, I'm not giving a black card for that as he was late, not deliberately taking him down, I'm fact in that incident it was his lineman that brought it to his attention as he didn't put the hand up to give advantage, for a big man he's on the floor a lot

We will agree to disagree on both of those.

Explain the black card rule? as it is now, holding a player up or deliberately pulling a player down. 3rd man or 4th and so on get black cards and verbals to the ref can be a black card.

I'm not sure tackling a player after the ball is a black, I know I wouldn't give it.

There was a 50 meter sanction given after a Armagh player made a mark, the Antrim lad challenging for the kickout also, landed on the Armagh player, before he could collect himself Cassidy was moving the ball 50 meters, there has to be intent on trying to obstruct a player in those circumstances, that coughed up 2 points

[ranch]

Both players were going for the ball, honestly, and Burns came off worse, 50 50 ball.

The yellow the Antrim lad got was for being tackled after the ball was played, I'm not giving a black card for that as he was late, not deliberately taking him down, I'm fact in that incident it was his lineman that brought it to his attention as he didn't put the hand up to give advantage, for a big man he's on the floor a lot

So you think he was diving?

I said, and instead of putting words in my mouth, for a big lad he's on the floor a lot.

He gets fouled a lot also.

[David McKeown]

Both players were going for the ball, honestly, and Burns came off worse, 50 50 ball.

The yellow the Antrim lad got was for being tackled after the ball was played, I'm not giving a black card for that as he was late, not deliberately taking him down, I'm fact in that incident it was his lineman that brought it to his attention as he didn't put the hand up to give advantage, for a big man he's on the floor a lot

We will agree to disagree on both of those.

Explain the black card rule? as it is now, holding a player up or deliberately pulling a player down. 3rd man or 4th and so on get black cards and verbals to the ref can be a black card.

I'm not sure tackling a player after the ball is a black, I know I wouldn't give it.

There was a 50 meter sanction given after a Armagh player made a mark, the Antrim lad challenging for the kickout also, landed on the Armagh player, before he could collect himself Cassidy was moving the ball 50 meters, there has to be intent on trying to obstruct a player in those circumstances, that coughed up 2 points

It's a black card offence to deliberately collide with an opponent after he has played the ball away. There's enough of a gap for the Antrim player to take two steps between Burns playing the ball away and the collision for me to think it was a deliberate collision and therefore a black card.

The earlier one burns is considerably lower and therefore closer to the ball than the Antrim player who to use a rugby term doesn't drop their height sufficiently and as a result hits Burns shoulder on head. I don't consider that a 50/50 because I think the Antrim player is too high to be genuinely competing for the ball.

Both of these calls are obviously subjective.

[flowerpot]

Amazing how the rose tinted glasses appear when it's "my" team, Antrim harliously tried to bully Armaghs B team with some late hits, the same ones defending it here would be doing some yappings if it was role reversal, good luck in that other competition, as for the league as Yazz said the only way is up 

[Blowitupref]

Changes for Tyrone Cathal McShane for Mattie Donnelly and Ruairi Canavan for Darragh Canavan.   Darragh Canavan not even on the bench today.

Cian Madden,Killian Clarke in from the start for Cavan.

[Wildweasel74]

Paddy Lynch a big loss for Cavan, one of the best forwards in Ulster.