FRC Feedback - poll on new rules - which do you like least?

[weareros]

It sounds like once the hooter sounds, a team, if say they needed one score, could play keep ball for as long as they wanted until the right opening happened - whereas in the past, a referee could blow the whistle if they were taking too long at their final chance. I suppose taking a nod from rugby.

[GTP]

The advantage rule for the Kick Out mark isn't mentioned on the GAA website. It is only referenced in relation to the Advanced mark "An advantage has accrued for an Advanced Mark if the player plays on immediately and scores a goal or a point" - otherwise the ball is brought back for the Advanced Mark.
I'm sure it will be cleared up for everyone come 2026.

[Blowitupref]

It sounds like once the hooter sounds, a team, if say they needed one score, could play keep ball for as long as they wanted until the right opening happened - whereas in the past, a referee could blow the whistle if they were taking too long at their final chance. I suppose taking a nod from rugby.

Changed because of what happened in the Meath v Westmeath game with the last play of the game by the looks of it.

[Spiderlegs]

One question on the new hooter rule...
Team A get a free out on their 20, hooter goes....
Is free to be taken and play on till ball next goes out of play no matter how long it takes?
Or
Does Ref say ball is out of play, ye have no chance of scoring from the free, so game over?

After the hooter sounds, the end of the first half or full time is signalled by the referee on the next occasion that the ball goes out of play for a score, for a wide or for a sideline kick

"Next occasion" here would suggest you take the free or solo & go and keep playing until one of those things happens. If it goes out for a 45, the 45 can be taken (but needs to be scored without any player touching to count).

[Spiderlegs]

The advantage rule for the Kick Out mark isn't mentioned on the GAA website. It is only referenced in relation to the Advanced mark "An advantage has accrued for an Advanced Mark if the player plays on immediately and scores a goal or a point" - otherwise the ball is brought back for the Advanced Mark.
I'm sure it will be cleared up for everyone come 2026.

Exactly. The wording of that last week caused confusion and is continuing to do so.
Everyone should refer to the RTE and GAA articles for clarity.

[David McKeown]

Setting aside the gross unfairness of changing rules mid competition these rules seem counter productive to the reasons for the changes in the first instance.

The 3 v 3 rule was introduced to create more scoring chances. Now it's tweaked to largely remove the attacking advantage of an extra player. Which in turn will probably reduce scoring opportunities with one less player able to find space and take shots.

The hooter was introduced to try and ensure both half's contained the same amount of play now it's been tweaked to make that less likely to happen.

The advantage rule I've long had issues with. No encouragement for good defending any more. Also the issue that was seen in a few hurling matches last year. Last minute need a goal get an advanced mark. Play on go for goal. You put it wide you get a second chance you put it over you don't. Seems strange to me.

I do see some potential benefits to the tweaks though. Particularly making frees in your half and goal kicks slightly less punishing.

So the proof of the pudding will be in the eating. Let's see how they work in practice.

[Cavan19]

One question on the new hooter rule...
Team A get a free out on their 20, hooter goes....
Is free to be taken and play on till ball next goes out of play no matter how long it takes?
Or
Does Ref say ball is out of play, ye have no chance of scoring from the free, so game over?

After the hooter sounds, the end of the first half or full time is signalled by the referee on the next occasion that the ball goes out of play for a score, for a wide or for a sideline kick

"Next occasion" here would suggest you take the free or solo & go and keep playing until one of those things happens. If it goes out for a 45, the 45 can be taken (but needs to be scored without any player touching to count).

The 45 would need to be awarded before the hooter goes, if it goes out for a 45 after the hooter has sounded it would be end of game.

[Spiderlegs]

One question on the new hooter rule...
Team A get a free out on their 20, hooter goes....
Is free to be taken and play on till ball next goes out of play no matter how long it takes?
Or
Does Ref say ball is out of play, ye have no chance of scoring from the free, so game over?

After the hooter sounds, the end of the first half or full time is signalled by the referee on the next occasion that the ball goes out of play for a score, for a wide or for a sideline kick

"Next occasion" here would suggest you take the free or solo & go and keep playing until one of those things happens. If it goes out for a 45, the 45 can be taken (but needs to be scored without any player touching to count).

The 45 would need to be awarded before the hooter goes, if it goes out for a 45 after the hooter has sounded it would be end of game.

You're right:

After the hooter sounds, the end of the first half or full time is signalled by the referee on the next occasion that the ball goes out of play for a score, for a wide or for a sideline kick. If a 45 has been awarded but not taken, before the hooter sounds, the free kick can be taken and, if it results in a score, without any other player touching the ball, that score shall be awarded.

"For a wide" must also mean for a 45 as well in this scenario.

More often than not, one team is going to be better placed after the hooter than the other and they basically just need to get the ball out of play (legally) to end the game e.g just throwing it out over the line is a foul and play continues.

[Rossfan]

A game with extra time could go on for a long time with 4 hoots involved!

Might be a lot of trains and buses missed....

[Captain Obvious]

When the hoover sounds at full time this weekend you'll still have children and over excited adults running onto the field.

[Cavan19]

One question on the new hooter rule...
Team A get a free out on their 20, hooter goes....
Is free to be taken and play on till ball next goes out of play no matter how long it takes?
Or
Does Ref say ball is out of play, ye have no chance of scoring from the free, so game over?

After the hooter sounds, the end of the first half or full time is signalled by the referee on the next occasion that the ball goes out of play for a score, for a wide or for a sideline kick

"Next occasion" here would suggest you take the free or solo & go and keep playing until one of those things happens. If it goes out for a 45, the 45 can be taken (but needs to be scored without any player touching to count).

The 45 would need to be awarded before the hooter goes, if it goes out for a 45 after the hooter has sounded it would be end of game.

You're right:

After the hooter sounds, the end of the first half or full time is signalled by the referee on the next occasion that the ball goes out of play for a score, for a wide or for a sideline kick. If a 45 has been awarded but not taken, before the hooter sounds, the free kick can be taken and, if it results in a score, without any other player touching the ball, that score shall be awarded.

"For a wide" must also mean for a 45 as well in this scenario.

More often than not, one team is going to be better placed after the hooter than the other and they basically just need to get the ball out of play (legally) to end the game e.g just throwing it out over the line is a foul and play continues.

Not sure on this rule. At the Monaghan and meath game the hooter went and the Monaghan player kicked it out behind his own goals. Players started to shake hands and then next thing Meath are awared a 45 which was taken and kicked wide. Did the referee get it wrong or is it the rule that a 45 can be given and taken after the hooter sounds?

[Spiderlegs]

One question on the new hooter rule...
Team A get a free out on their 20, hooter goes....
Is free to be taken and play on till ball next goes out of play no matter how long it takes?
Or
Does Ref say ball is out of play, ye have no chance of scoring from the free, so game over?

After the hooter sounds, the end of the first half or full time is signalled by the referee on the next occasion that the ball goes out of play for a score, for a wide or for a sideline kick

"Next occasion" here would suggest you take the free or solo & go and keep playing until one of those things happens. If it goes out for a 45, the 45 can be taken (but needs to be scored without any player touching to count).

The 45 would need to be awarded before the hooter goes, if it goes out for a 45 after the hooter has sounded it would be end of game.

You're right:

After the hooter sounds, the end of the first half or full time is signalled by the referee on the next occasion that the ball goes out of play for a score, for a wide or for a sideline kick. If a 45 has been awarded but not taken, before the hooter sounds, the free kick can be taken and, if it results in a score, without any other player touching the ball, that score shall be awarded.

"For a wide" must also mean for a 45 as well in this scenario.

More often than not, one team is going to be better placed after the hooter than the other and they basically just need to get the ball out of play (legally) to end the game e.g just throwing it out over the line is a foul and play continues.

Not sure on this rule. At the Monaghan and meath game the hooter went and the Monaghan player kicked it out behind his own goals. Players started to shake hands and then next thing Meath are awared a 45 which was taken and kicked wide. Did the referee get it wrong or is it the rule that a 45 can be given and taken after the hooter sounds?

Came on here to say exactly this. It's very difficult to know what the actual rule is going by the wording and it's always possible the ref got it wrong because they aren't always sure either.

[Milltown Row2]

One question on the new hooter rule...
Team A get a free out on their 20, hooter goes....
Is free to be taken and play on till ball next goes out of play no matter how long it takes?
Or
Does Ref say ball is out of play, ye have no chance of scoring from the free, so game over?

After the hooter sounds, the end of the first half or full time is signalled by the referee on the next occasion that the ball goes out of play for a score, for a wide or for a sideline kick

"Next occasion" here would suggest you take the free or solo & go and keep playing until one of those things happens. If it goes out for a 45, the 45 can be taken (but needs to be scored without any player touching to count).

The 45 would need to be awarded before the hooter goes, if it goes out for a 45 after the hooter has sounded it would be end of game.

You're right:

After the hooter sounds, the end of the first half or full time is signalled by the referee on the next occasion that the ball goes out of play for a score, for a wide or for a sideline kick. If a 45 has been awarded but not taken, before the hooter sounds, the free kick can be taken and, if it results in a score, without any other player touching the ball, that score shall be awarded.

"For a wide" must also mean for a 45 as well in this scenario.

More often than not, one team is going to be better placed after the hooter than the other and they basically just need to get the ball out of play (legally) to end the game e.g just throwing it out over the line is a foul and play continues.

Not sure on this rule. At the Monaghan and meath game the hooter went and the Monaghan player kicked it out behind his own goals. Players started to shake hands and then next thing Meath are awared a 45 which was taken and kicked wide. Did the referee get it wrong or is it the rule that a 45 can be given and taken after the hooter sounds?

Came on here to say exactly this. It's very difficult to know what the actual rule is going by the wording and it's always possible the ref got it wrong because they aren't always sure either.

Nah the ref got that completely wrong, the hooter goes, game is over once the ball goes out. If the ball goes out for a sideline or a 45 and then the hooter goes before its taken then play will continue (I think)

[Milltown Row2]

Was at Q/A last night on the new rules, I'm fairly confident of them just not confident in making sure one ref is able to implement them better than the rules we had before FRC came in

[onefineday]

Diarmuid Murtagh on the radio Sunday evening described 2 pointers as "tap overs".
He said it looks long on TV but not when you're on the pitch playing.

So why were teams not doing tap overs before the rule? The endless moving the ball back sideways and looking to break lines to get into the 'scoring zone' and now they are just tapping them over, that would have nullified the swapped defence.

I think that's the maths of the whole thing.
Before it was keep possession until you're in the scoring zone where conversion rate is 75% or whatever, now, whilst conversion rate might only be 40% from outside the arc, it's worth 100% more, so the smart play is to take that shot.
And as for working a goal - it's worth 50% more than a 2-pointer, but the difficulty is presumably so much more than that, that's it's just not an option worth considering.

It's something we've seen in hurling too over the last decade, the realisation that as the probability of scoring a long range point has increased dramatically (lighter ball, stronger and better coached players), then the relative value of a goal has diminished and dramatically reduced the incentive to work goals.

3 goals in total this weekend in 4 provincial semi-finals. Aberration or is this becoming a 'thing'?