NFL Division 1 2025

[JPO]

Gaelic footballers are coached  to avoid contact. Taking the ball into the tackle as they call it now is frowned upon by managers so players turn back and handpass around the arc endlessly. There are big hits in rugby and American football all the time. In soccer there is a contest for the ball on a corner. Players jumping to head the ball. In Gaelic these days most players dont or cant even jump for a high ball from a kickout never mind catch it. It was once a great skill taught at  underage level. Its quite pitiful to see so called gaelic footballers in todays game scrambling about under a high ball not sure what to do. Very few balls are kicked in as its deemed too risky in case possession is lost. The high scoring in games is mainly due to pathetic defending. The art of defending  has been lost. Any clown can defend a zone with 11 other players. .

[JoG2]

Trolling an online forum isn't much of a sport either in fairness

[JPO]

The truth hurts

[The Trap]

JPO best ignored me thinks.

[JPO]

For years Pat Spillane and Joe Brolly have been highlighting the dire state of football and the need for change. They were ignored. They have been proven right.

[Silver hill]

Managers and coaches exploiting the rules to not lose rather than trying to win was the problem.
Definitely not the skill level of the players. It's so much higher now than it was 20 years ago.
Twenty years ago it was a novelty if a player could use both feet competently. Now it's the norm.

[Armagh18]

For years Pat Spillane and Joe Brolly have been highlighting the dire state of football and the need for change. They were ignored. They have been proven right.

Badly stuck now if you're listening to those 2, Spillane especially is a halfwit, good craic but his opinions dont tend to reflect reality.

[Saffron_sam20]

Most good sporting event have contests between opposing players all over the playing arena. It's why people enjoy watching it. In a Gaelic football match at present there are a few high catches from the longer kickouts, a few long range points and that's about it really. A few moments of entertainment inside an hr and ten minutes of...well....nothing really. The most boring sport in the world? Probably

Do they? The sports I watch most other than GAA would be soccer basketball and bit of rugby and NFL. All them sports have something in common. The team in possession of the ball trying to build some form of attack and the other team a system to stop it. Not too many 1v1 contests in them sports if it can be avoided. It's all about control but yet we want our teams in GAA to not have control

Soccer removed the back pass rule 30 years ago.

Basketball has had back court rules and shot clocks since the 1950s.

Rugby split in two a hundred years ago because half of them thought it demented that you could keep ball forever without going forward. The other half have spent 100 years since devising and testing rules to ensure that "up your jumper" rugby is considered an occasional tactic rather than a game plan.

NFL has 4 downs to move 10 yards. Or else the opposition gets it back.

Look, I don't think you're looking at this logically. The fundamental problem that FRC are trying to solve is that the balance of possession vs territory in Gaelic Football had become extraordinarily tilted towards possession. And the end product was a borefest. So the one new rule they cannot change is this kickout rule. For the minute they facilitate endless periods of skill-less possession, is the minute they wave the white flag.   

Yes i get that and i agree, but its kinda not the point i was masking, the original poster said that all these sports have contests between opposition players. The rules you have stated don't prove his point. For example I can get on board with not passing the ball back to the keeper in their own half which would cut down on a lot of the problems with slow play. I genuinely feel that on its own would have been enough.

I actually would have liked to see the rule like backcourt once passed the halfway line you couldn't have went back, would have been much easier than all the rules we have now.

[Armagh18]

Most good sporting event have contests between opposing players all over the playing arena. It's why people enjoy watching it. In a Gaelic football match at present there are a few high catches from the longer kickouts, a few long range points and that's about it really. A few moments of entertainment inside an hr and ten minutes of...well....nothing really. The most boring sport in the world? Probably

Do they? The sports I watch most other than GAA would be soccer basketball and bit of rugby and NFL. All them sports have something in common. The team in possession of the ball trying to build some form of attack and the other team a system to stop it. Not too many 1v1 contests in them sports if it can be avoided. It's all about control but yet we want our teams in GAA to not have control

Soccer removed the back pass rule 30 years ago.

Basketball has had back court rules and shot clocks since the 1950s.

Rugby split in two a hundred years ago because half of them thought it demented that you could keep ball forever without going forward. The other half have spent 100 years since devising and testing rules to ensure that "up your jumper" rugby is considered an occasional tactic rather than a game plan.

NFL has 4 downs to move 10 yards. Or else the opposition gets it back.

Look, I don't think you're looking at this logically. The fundamental problem that FRC are trying to solve is that the balance of possession vs territory in Gaelic Football had become extraordinarily tilted towards possession. And the end product was a borefest. So the one new rule they cannot change is this kickout rule. For the minute they facilitate endless periods of skill-less possession, is the minute they wave the white flag.   

Yes i get that and i agree, but its kinda not the point i was masking, the original poster said that all these sports have contests between opposition players. The rules you have stated don't prove his point. For example I can get on board with not passing the ball back to the keeper in their own half which would cut down on a lot of the problems with slow play. I genuinely feel that on its own would have been enough.

I actually would have liked to see the rule like backcourt once passed the halfway line you couldn't have went back, would have been much easier than all the rules we have now.

Back court wouldn't work. You'd straight away counter it by allowing teams have the ball until they cross into your half, drop everyone back and then turn them over because they have feckall space.

Agree on the kickout one.

[Saffron_sam20]

Most good sporting event have contests between opposing players all over the playing arena. It's why people enjoy watching it. In a Gaelic football match at present there are a few high catches from the longer kickouts, a few long range points and that's about it really. A few moments of entertainment inside an hr and ten minutes of...well....nothing really. The most boring sport in the world? Probably

Do they? The sports I watch most other than GAA would be soccer basketball and bit of rugby and NFL. All them sports have something in common. The team in possession of the ball trying to build some form of attack and the other team a system to stop it. Not too many 1v1 contests in them sports if it can be avoided. It's all about control but yet we want our teams in GAA to not have control

Soccer removed the back pass rule 30 years ago.

Basketball has had back court rules and shot clocks since the 1950s.

Rugby split in two a hundred years ago because half of them thought it demented that you could keep ball forever without going forward. The other half have spent 100 years since devising and testing rules to ensure that "up your jumper" rugby is considered an occasional tactic rather than a game plan.

NFL has 4 downs to move 10 yards. Or else the opposition gets it back.

Look, I don't think you're looking at this logically. The fundamental problem that FRC are trying to solve is that the balance of possession vs territory in Gaelic Football had become extraordinarily tilted towards possession. And the end product was a borefest. So the one new rule they cannot change is this kickout rule. For the minute they facilitate endless periods of skill-less possession, is the minute they wave the white flag.   

Yes i get that and i agree, but its kinda not the point i was masking, the original poster said that all these sports have contests between opposition players. The rules you have stated don't prove his point. For example I can get on board with not passing the ball back to the keeper in their own half which would cut down on a lot of the problems with slow play. I genuinely feel that on its own would have been enough.

I actually would have liked to see the rule like backcourt once passed the halfway line you couldn't have went back, would have been much easier than all the rules we have now.

Back court wouldn't work. You'd straight away counter it by allowing teams have the ball until they cross into your half, drop everyone back and then turn them over because they have feckall space.

Agree on the kickout one.

Yeah you're prob right, I genuinely think with the gk not being able to take the ball in their own half we've already reduced the messing about with players just messing about in their own half as there can't be 'piggy in the middle if anything its just moved it further up with them doing it in the opposition half as the GK can get involved and the defending team drops to around the arc as opposed to over 45 as they did last year. I can accept that though as its more chance of working a score as opposed to last year.

[thewobbler]

I'm not sure about the conviction for "backcourt wouldn't work".

Here's how I see it: the biggest issue with the "old game" is that if one team has no interest in playing attacking football, then the opposition has no choice but to follow suit. And the main reason for this is the piggy in the middle problem. There's only so many times any man can make a 50m run to close off space, to see the ball kicked straight back over his head, before he will accept it's not worth it. Ciaran Kilkenny doing this on repeat in Leinster SFC games is perhaps the lowlight of the era.

What a backcourt line should do - in my mind at least - is reward a team that pushes up and forces the opposition to go forward. They may still face bouts of piggy in the middle, but those 50m runs become 25m darts and much easier to lay traps for poor passes.

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This would solve the problem I do believe, if one team is intent on playing.

If neither team is intent on playing, well I don't there's rules can help us there.

[Saffron_sam20]

I'm not sure about the conviction for "backcourt wouldn't work".

Here's how I see it: the biggest issue with the "old game" is that if one team has no interest in playing attacking football, then the opposition has no choice but to follow suit. And the main reason for this is the piggy in the middle problem. There's only so many times any man can make a 50m run to close off space, to see the ball kicked straight back over his head, before he will accept it's not worth it. Ciaran Kilkenny doing this on repeat in Leinster SFC games is perhaps the lowlight of the era.

What a backcourt line should do - in my mind at least - is reward a team that pushes up and forces the opposition to go forward. They may still face bouts of piggy in the middle, but those 50m runs become 25m darts and much easier to lay traps for poor passes.

——

This would solve the problem I do believe, if one team is intent on playing.

If neither team is intent on playing, well I don't there's rules can help us there.

But with the keeper not being able to take the ball back inside their own half if a treat pushes up then they shouldn't really be able to play piggy in the middle and they'd be taking a massive risk in doing so. ESP in club games, the players wouldn't be good enough to do it without getting turned over, be a stupid tactic from managers for them to do it if opposition pushes up

[thewobbler]

I'm not sure about the conviction for "backcourt wouldn't work".

Here's how I see it: the biggest issue with the "old game" is that if one team has no interest in playing attacking football, then the opposition has no choice but to follow suit. And the main reason for this is the piggy in the middle problem. There's only so many times any man can make a 50m run to close off space, to see the ball kicked straight back over his head, before he will accept it's not worth it. Ciaran Kilkenny doing this on repeat in Leinster SFC games is perhaps the lowlight of the era.

What a backcourt line should do - in my mind at least - is reward a team that pushes up and forces the opposition to go forward. They may still face bouts of piggy in the middle, but those 50m runs become 25m darts and much easier to lay traps for poor passes.

——

This would solve the problem I do believe, if one team is intent on playing.

If neither team is intent on playing, well I don't there's rules can help us there.

But with the keeper not being able to take the ball back inside their own half if a treat pushes up then they shouldn't really be able to play piggy in the middle and they'd be taking a massive risk in doing so. ESP in club games, the players wouldn't be good enough to do it without getting turned over, be a stupid tactic from managers for them to do it if opposition pushes up

Yep agreed SS2. But I think a backcourt line would still help it further. Just going back to the original Railway Cup games, I just found it fecken odd that it was the keeper continually recycling the ball back to unmarked teammate(s) in his own half, before doubling back into an attacking position. Of course this was an odd game full stop in that players who's spent 10 years recycling possession at halfway are always going to be inclined towards it, regardless of rules.

[blanketattack]

Whichever team comes up with some good innovative ways to use (and abuse) the new rules will win the All-Ireland.
It's unlikely to see too much innovation or success in year one.
It took 100 years to come up with mass defence coupled with lightning fast mass counter attack.

In 1979 the 3 pointer came into the NBA and it took until the 2015 Golden State Warriors as the first winners of the NBA Championship with 3 pointers as the predominant tactic. GSW themselves had 4 years of using the tactic before success came.

2 untapped areas I see:

1. Once in the lead, playing keep ball for 5+ minutes. So easy with the new rules with 6 less players in the half and 12 v 11 players.

2. Kickouts.
Doesn't have to be contested kickouts. The arc is 83 metres in length and only 20 metres from the kickout spot. Surely quite easy for a player to make a run into space somewhere along the arc and the goalie kick a 21 metre chest pass?

[thebigfullforward]

Whichever team comes up with some good innovative ways to use (and abuse) the new rules will win the All-Ireland.
It's unlikely to see too much innovation or success in year one.
It took 100 years to come up with mass defence coupled with lightning fast mass counter attack.

In 1979 the 3 pointer came into the NBA and it took until the 2015 Golden State Warriors as the first winners of the NBA Championship with 3 pointers as the predominant tactic. GSW themselves had 4 years of using the tactic before success came.

2 untapped areas I see:

1. Once in the lead, playing keep ball for 5+ minutes. So easy with the new rules with 6 less players in the half and 12 v 11 players.

2. Kickouts.
Doesn't have to be contested kickouts. The arc is 83 metres in length and only 20 metres from the kickout spot. Surely quite easy for a player to make a run into space somewhere along the arc and the goalie kick a 21 metre chest pass?

And now in comparison to todays game they would be near the bottom of the list in terms of 3pa because, like in football, teams evolved and recognised that they needed to update their playstyle in order to win and they shouldn't be playing the same way they did 20 years ago. Only difference is that teams are allowed to evolve in the NBA without the rules being changed this drastically