Derry Club Football & Hurling original

[statto]

Tyrone, Donegal and Kerry are examples of Counties that can find and develop talent into Senior County players from Intermediate and Junior clubs. Derry have always failed to bring these players from Minor through to Senior with Murray being an exception.
Look at the All-Ireland winning minor team in 2002. There were starters from a wide range of clubs including Craigbane, Drumsurn and Steelstown who were then a Junior club but it was only really the St. Pats and St. Mary's boys who graduated through.
Kerry's system of having divisional teams competing in the Senior Championship seems to work well while Tyrone do really well in developing players from the non traditional areas like Cathal McShane, Brian Dooher and Paschal McConnell.
Paddy Cunningham who was a very good player for the Antrim Seniors and won a Sigerson Cup originally was from the Waterside and played underage for Ardmore. I don't think he would have been given a sniff of County Football if he had stayed in Derry.

Armagh had 8 starting tonight from intermediate football plus Paddy Burns (now Burren) who's club Forkhill would be junior or lower ranking intermediate side historically. Brendan Donaghy one of Armagh's best defenders over last 20 years was from Clonmore a small rural club who also would be in junior or lower level intermediate. I would say there are players out there for Derry given standard of underage teams they have over prolonged time.

[Norm-Peterson]

Re the South Derry versus North Derry discussion as to which is the better provider of elite players or teams there should be no bias shown in favour of either part of the County.

I prefer the term Loughinsholin rather than South Derry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loughinsholin

The region of Dungiven/Limavady is historically called Keenaght. This gets it's names after the Cianachta Glengiven which was the regions name prior to the O'Kane's arriving when it was ruled by the O'Connor's.
However Keenaght doesn't include all of North Derry because the Glenullin club is in Coleraine barony and also doesn't include Derry city and it's hinterlands.

[Norm-Peterson]

Personally team I would go with.

                 Lynch
        Bradley, McEvoy, P Mc Grogan
          CD ,  Mc Faul, CMc Grogan/Cassidy
              Glass, Rogers
        Ethan,  Loughlin,  Paul Cass
         Toner,   Mc Guigan,   Murray

Couple lads there obviously only coming back to full fitness but long term and with no McKinless I think we need someone who organises middle if that defence along with giving Rogers more freedom.
Niall Loughlin will work his heart out in CHF with Murphy, Jody Mc D, Baker subs that are capable of doing a job. Anton tohill to full forward when needed towards end of any game has potential to change tactics.

Shall we just call the team South Derry from now on? 😃

We already call them that

I wonder why 3 or 4 different managers with the last 3 being outsiders still haven't found this talent thats hiding in North Derry?

Why has the Derry SFC championship only been won 3 times in 35 years by North Derry clubs 2 of which were by Dungiven.

Is that directly linked to talent availablity?

Nonsense.

Derry's best player in the last 25 years was from Glenullin. Their most exciting/skillful player in that time was his brother. Their most consistent player was from Banagher. His club mate holds the record for most appearances for the Ireland compromise rules team.
Not to mention Gerard O'Kane, Barry McGoldrick or Sean Leo McGoldrick.

I don't think compromise rules stats count for much. It was mainly played in the 2000s which happened to be the time when North Derry players were the best players. If it was played every year in the 90s then there would have been more south Derry players. A better stat is All star wins.

[Ball]

Some drivel on here lads.

The lazy north derry argument rags me, the junior/intermediate is a close 2nd.

who are these players who should be on the panel??

I dont think there are many players that would make the panel stronger unless we can reverse their age.

[Ball]

Personally team I would go with.

                 Lynch
        Bradley, McEvoy, P Mc Grogan
          CD ,  Mc Faul, CMc Grogan/Cassidy
              Glass, Rogers
        Ethan,  Loughlin,  Paul Cass
         Toner,   Mc Guigan,   Murray

Couple lads there obviously only coming back to full fitness but long term and with no McKinless I think we need someone who organises middle if that defence along with giving Rogers more freedom.
Niall Loughlin will work his heart out in CHF with Murphy, Jody Mc D, Baker subs that are capable of doing a job. Anton tohill to full forward when needed towards end of any game has potential to change tactics.

Shall we just call the team South Derry from now on? 😃

We already call them that

I wonder why 3 or 4 different managers with the last 3 being outsiders still haven't found this talent thats hiding in North Derry?

Why has the Derry SFC championship only been won 3 times in 35 years by North Derry clubs 2 of which were by Dungiven.

Is that directly linked to talent availablity?

Nonsense.

Derry's best player in the last 25 years was from Glenullin. Their most exciting/skillful player in that time was his brother. Their most consistent player was from Banagher. His club mate holds the record for most appearances for the Ireland compromise rules team.
Not to mention Gerard O'Kane, Barry McGoldrick or Sean Leo McGoldrick.

The current panel boasts 4 players from Derry city - all who have played NFL this season already, not token additions. All from Steelstown. How many clubs in south derry can say that?

If you took every player from Kilrea, Swatragh, Loup, Ballinascreen and Castledawson (all south Derry Div.1 clubs), I'd wager it was many years before they've had 4 players between them represent Derry in the NFL. Why can those clubs not produce players, given all the obvious advantages they have? Why are they not pulling their weight?

I think the money Derry GAA have directly invested in the city may well have something to do with it. Theres 4 players from a club who I believe have won one game in the SFC in two years thats been down to group stage layouts. You believe they aren't token gestures, I probably wouldn't be as harsh as that but 100% the 5 clubs you named have better players that them 4.

Whether they are prepared to commit I don't know but ability wise they have better players.
Terence O'Brien
Patrick Coney
Patrick Kearney
Sean Kearney
Martin Bradley (Screen Already there)
Gearoid Mc Laughlin.

Alot these players weigh up not being available for their clubs but also not starting for county so end up with no football hence the reason why our bench is sitting with players who are either living out of the county or playing out of the county.

Also best in last 25 years?.have you forgotten Fergal Doc, Enda Muldoon, Paul Mc Flynn, Kevin McCloy, Conleith Gilligan,
Kevin Mc Guckian, James Kielt?

Who are the players on the bench who are living or playing out of the county?

Did O'Brien even play for loup last season?

[Silver hill]

Gaelic football has always been very strong in that 10 mile radius around Maghera. Big factors are the proximity to each other and the rivalry and jealousy that that creates. Throw in great Gaelic football nurseries and then tradition and culture. A six year old in Bellaghy or Glen has the same arms and legs as one in Glack or Magilligan but for the reasons above, they have more chance of getting to the top if their in a south Derry club.
Obviously Dungiven and Glenullin are outliers and Steelstown are developing well as a club in the city.
And Sean Mcgoldrick in Coleraine showed what can be done if you have the numbers and quality coaching. He was just a freak of nature though, a one man phenomenon. Money....paid coaches and divisional teams in senior championship might be a good start.

[tbrick18]

Lynch, mcgrogan, Murray and loughlin all starting.

Interesting to see if they persist with the same tactic of pushing keeper out

[jb77]

Tell me we haven't lost Brendan Rodgers to a soft spot of grass

[Ghost]

6 up and Glass gives it away trying to keep a bad kickout in play. Donegal score a goal from it. Small margins

[oakleaflad]

Hopefully McEvoy and Rogers injuries aren't too serious.

We're still not far away if we've everyone back fit.

[Mario]

Hopefully McEvoy and Rogers injuries aren't too serious.

We're still not far away if we've everyone back fit.

The point is we won't have everyone fit for a whole championship. No one does. We can't cope with any injuries at all as our squad players aren't good enough. Look at what Armagh did last night and look at the players they are missing.

Was a good performance for 63 min but I couldn't help but think we'd end up throwing it away once Rogers got injured

[oakleaflad]

Hopefully McEvoy and Rogers injuries aren't too serious.

We're still not far away if we've everyone back fit.

The point is we won't have everyone fit for a whole championship. No one does. We can't cope with any injuries at all as our squad players aren't good enough. Look at what Armagh did last night and look at the players they are missing.

Was a good performance for 63 min but I couldn't help but think we'd end up throwing it away once Rogers got injured

I don't disagree. Although think Bradley looks like a good addition.

[Mario]

Hopefully McEvoy and Rogers injuries aren't too serious.

We're still not far away if we've everyone back fit.

The point is we won't have everyone fit for a whole championship. No one does. We can't cope with any injuries at all as our squad players aren't good enough. Look at what Armagh did last night and look at the players they are missing.

Was a good performance for 63 min but I couldn't help but think we'd end up throwing it away once Rogers got injured

I don't disagree. Although think Bradley looks like a good addition.

Yes he's been very impressive. Nailed on to start championship I'd say.

[jb77]

Hope we get McFaul back he can help steady a game

[Stickittotheman]

Conceivably Derry could be sitting on 5 points but Division one is unforgiving. It feels a little bit like Tally just came in a bit too late, the fitness isn't where it needs to be. That was the difference today along with the loss of Rogers. Lots of positives although one real concern is our lack of options for kick out. Last 10 minutes we got our hands on nothing and with little variation we were overrun.

Is Clucky far away? He will make a huge difference. Good to see McGrogan making his way back and Loughlin as well. Murray hit some good scores today so hopefully he can start to realise the obvious potential.

I have the feeling we are still a little bit cold and that might just suit the new Championship structure. I can't for the life of me see Donegal maintain their level into June/July. It is far too demanding.