FRC Feedback - poll on new rules - which do you like least?

[tbrick18]

What if you dislike all of them to the same amount?

To be fair I would like to see either the 3 v 3 or the 2 point arc tried in isolation but not both together to see what impact that has

I had the exact same thoughts on 3v3 or 2 point arc.
Personally dont like that you can't pass to the keeper in their own half either.

And I really hate the rule about handing the ball to the opposing team when a foul is committed. Legitimate mistakes by the ref or mistakes by the player thinking they have the free rather than committing the foul can decide the outcome of games, especially with 2 pointers at play.

[Armagh18]

The forward mark/advantage, literally gives the defender & art of defending zero chance.

If a forward gets a mark,the best decision for the defender is to just go in through the man and foul so they can't go at the goal etc..

Yeah, the only thing with it is that its a fairly difficult move to kick from outside the 45 to inside the 21 for a clean catch so we aren't seeing it too often.

[Milltown Row2]

The forward mark/advantage, literally gives the defender & art of defending zero chance.

If a forward gets a mark,the best decision for the defender is to just go in through the man and foul so they can't go at the goal etc..

Be careful not to pick up a card though, black, or yellow

[JoG2]

What if you dislike all of them to the same amount?

To be fair I would like to see either the 3 v 3 or the 2 point arc tried in isolation but not both together to see what impact that has

I had the exact same thoughts on 3v3 or 2 point arc.
Personally dont like that you can't pass to the keeper in their own half either.

And I really hate the rule about handing the ball to the opposing team when a foul is committed. Legitimate mistakes by the ref or mistakes by the player thinking they have the free rather than committing the foul can decide the outcome of games, especially with 2 pointers at play.

This will raise its head many times during the course of the season imo and some will result in the winning or losing of the game, Sat night Derry v Galway for example
As you say refs will make mistakes. That mistake shouldn't result in a double whammy for the wronged player / team, and due to the distance will often result in a 2 point score.. That's harsh in any mans money

[Dreadnought]

I'm fine with most of the rules as they are, just some tweaks to the body of some rules and how they're used. I would change:

• Goalkeeper coming up. Let them for placed ball frees, but restrict open play for this 12 v 11 thing which is changing the game way beyond intent.
• Handing the ball back to an opponent is silly. Just have it being dropped. Penalise if kicked away etc but handing it across, and then being not able to position to defend the tap and go is silly.
• The 50m on dissent or holding after the free is harsh. It's too open to the whims of the ref. Lads goes for a ball or falls on it, free give, opponents swarm in pulling at him and ref decides a literal second later he's holding on and gives 50m? That's too much.
• Also if the free is brought forward 50m then it has to be from there. Walking 20m back out to the arc for a 2 pointer on a ref whim (as above) is too big a punishment

[Rossfan]

Ye lads love yer foulers!!

[The Boy Wonder]

Ye lads love yer foulers!!

Very simplistic comment. The tackle has always been a problematic area in Gaelic Football.
What one referee deems a foul another will not. Their job is not easy.
We all want to see the game flow while keeping the physicality in the game.

Some of the punishments in the new rules are ridiculous,
e.g. giving a 20 metre free in front of the goals for an offence at the other end of the field.

[Rossfan]

One way of stopping said offence!

[The Boy Wonder]

A player's instinct is to keep his eyes on the play whilst also watching his man. He now has to keep an eye on the pitch linings as well.

It's farcical that a team on the attack, close to opposition goal, can be penalised with a 20m free to opponents if a defender strays across a line on the pitch. To add insult to injury the opponents have the option to kick the free from outside the 40M arc for a 2-pointer.

The issue is not to the 3 v 3 rule per se. The problem is the disproportionate punishment for breaching rule.
A throw-in on the half-way line would be a more equitable punishment.

[Rossfan]

There would be some amount of deliberately crossing it then!!

[johnnycool]

What if you dislike all of them to the same amount?

To be fair I would like to see either the 3 v 3 or the 2 point arc tried in isolation but not both together to see what impact that has

Ah David, there must be one or two they really upsets you more than the others?
For me it's the 2-point arc, I could maybe live with it if we had the 4-point goal, but as is, the decision to double the value of a relatively straightforward shot at goal (for intercounty sharpshooters) has the potential to absolutely transform the game and not positively.

It's not in the vote but I'd go for the advancement for slowing down play or not handing ball back to opponent. The rule itself is good but the penalty is much to severe. Half the distance would suffice

+1.

+2

See a fair few ones mentioning this and I understand. Its too severe a punishment because people keep doing it. I don't believe this rule was implemented to become a common part of our game. It was implemented to completely stamp out the negative behaviour, and I believe it will if they persevere with it and it will become a rarity in the game. I think we need to be careful judging the ones we don't like as we may only be seeing an exaggerated consequence of them as players and coaches get used to them. There has been over 20 years of coaching players to slow down the attacking team by illegal means. It will take a bit of time and courage to change that thinking.

+1

[trileacman]

Went to my first "new rules" match at the weekend, can safely say rather than change behaviour the rules reinforce the status quo tactics in Gaelic football.

Since you only have 12 defenders and the attacking team have an 13 it makes zero sense to push out the field and press high. Instead the rules encourage you to drop into a defensive arc which the rule makers have politely marked out for you on the pitch. Here your chances of stopping or slowing an attack are greatly multiplied and you all but nullify the goal threat.

Should you win the turnover the idea you can easily and immediately boot the ball 40m to your own player is a fallacy. Again your most likely way to advance up the pitch is to make a series of handpasses by which you can advance into a scoring position and possibly work a score. Why would anyone lash the ball up to the front 3 when he at best has a 50/50 chance of winning it an may well miss the resulting shot at goal. You could count on one hand the amount of points that have been scored by fast ball into the front 3, as a source of scores it is vastly outnumbered by the running score or the "keeper overlap" score.

Worse still is the encouragement to waste time or keep possession without intention to score. Mayo got a black card against Tyrone and spent the guts of 10 minutes passing the ball to each other. They did the same at full-time. Why take a score and risk giving possession back to the opposition when you can just run around and wait for the hooter to save you? I don't blame Mayo for this I'd expect Tyrone to be smart enough to do the same thing. Likewise Dublin were fools to attempt to score against Kerry in the first half of a gale force wind. They should have just kept ball for 35 minutes as much as possible, preventing Kerry from making use of the wind advantage and leading to a 2nd half were Dublin would have the advantage on kick outs, scoring and defence. This was possible under the old rules but the new rules effectively make it easier as the defending team are armed with less players to press the team in possession.

It's no coincidence that the 2 most effective teams under the new rules are Dublin and Donegal. The uber-fit, running game suits them down to a tee. The predominant tactic used by the best teams will remain a mass attack, quick break and if that breaks prolonged spells of defensive arc hand passing.

[JoG2]

Went to my first "new rules" match at the weekend, can safely say rather than change behaviour the rules reinforce the status quo tactics in Gaelic football.

Since you only have 12 defenders and the attacking team have an 13 it makes zero sense to push out the field and press high. Instead the rules encourage you to drop into a defensive arc which the rule makers have politely marked out for you on the pitch. Here your chances of stopping or slowing an attack are greatly multiplied and you all but nullify the goal threat.

Should you win the turnover the idea you can easily and immediately boot the ball 40m to your own player is a fallacy. Again your most likely way to advance up the pitch is to make a series of handpasses by which you can advance into a scoring position and possibly work a score. Why would anyone lash the ball up to the front 3 when he at best has a 50/50 chance of winning it an may well miss the resulting shot at goal. You could count on one hand the amount of points that have been scored by fast ball into the front 3, as a source of scores it is vastly outnumbered by the running score or the "keeper overlap" score.

Worse still is the encouragement to waste time or keep possession without intention to score. Mayo got a black card against Tyrone and spent the guts of 10 minutes passing the ball to each other. They did the same at full-time. Why take a score and risk giving possession back to the opposition when you can just run around and wait for the hooter to save you? I don't blame Mayo for this I'd expect Tyrone to be smart enough to do the same thing. Likewise Dublin were fools to attempt to score against Kerry in the first half of a gale force wind. They should have just kept ball for 35 minutes as much as possible, preventing Kerry from making use of the wind advantage and leading to a 2nd half were Dublin would have the advantage on kick outs, scoring and defence. This was possible under the old rules but the new rules effectively make it easier as the defending team are armed with less players to press the team in possession.

It's no coincidence that the 2 most effective teams under the new rules are Dublin and Donegal. The uber-fit, running game suits them down to a tee. The predominant tactic used by the best teams will remain a mass attack, quick break and if that breaks prolonged spells of defensive arc hand passing.

That game would have been awful whatever rules were being followed.

I've been to a good few county and club games now, and while I'd amend some rules, I'm enjoying the football more than I have done for a good while (overall)

[trileacman]

Went to my first "new rules" match at the weekend, can safely say rather than change behaviour the rules reinforce the status quo tactics in Gaelic football.

Since you only have 12 defenders and the attacking team have an 13 it makes zero sense to push out the field and press high. Instead the rules encourage you to drop into a defensive arc which the rule makers have politely marked out for you on the pitch. Here your chances of stopping or slowing an attack are greatly multiplied and you all but nullify the goal threat.

Should you win the turnover the idea you can easily and immediately boot the ball 40m to your own player is a fallacy. Again your most likely way to advance up the pitch is to make a series of handpasses by which you can advance into a scoring position and possibly work a score. Why would anyone lash the ball up to the front 3 when he at best has a 50/50 chance of winning it an may well miss the resulting shot at goal. You could count on one hand the amount of points that have been scored by fast ball into the front 3, as a source of scores it is vastly outnumbered by the running score or the "keeper overlap" score.

Worse still is the encouragement to waste time or keep possession without intention to score. Mayo got a black card against Tyrone and spent the guts of 10 minutes passing the ball to each other. They did the same at full-time. Why take a score and risk giving possession back to the opposition when you can just run around and wait for the hooter to save you? I don't blame Mayo for this I'd expect Tyrone to be smart enough to do the same thing. Likewise Dublin were fools to attempt to score against Kerry in the first half of a gale force wind. They should have just kept ball for 35 minutes as much as possible, preventing Kerry from making use of the wind advantage and leading to a 2nd half were Dublin would have the advantage on kick outs, scoring and defence. This was possible under the old rules but the new rules effectively make it easier as the defending team are armed with less players to press the team in possession.

It's no coincidence that the 2 most effective teams under the new rules are Dublin and Donegal. The uber-fit, running game suits them down to a tee. The predominant tactic used by the best teams will remain a mass attack, quick break and if that breaks prolonged spells of defensive arc hand passing.

That game would have been awful whatever rules were being followed.

I've been to a good few county and club games now, and while I'd amend some rules, I'm enjoying the football more than I have done for a good while (overall)

If shite games are still gonna be shite and good games are still going to be good remind me why we had to change the rules? Kerry/Dublin in the league is a cracking game 8 times out of 10.

In a years time we'll be adding rule changes to the rule changes because football simply reverts to type.

[JoG2]

Went to my first "new rules" match at the weekend, can safely say rather than change behaviour the rules reinforce the status quo tactics in Gaelic football.

Since you only have 12 defenders and the attacking team have an 13 it makes zero sense to push out the field and press high. Instead the rules encourage you to drop into a defensive arc which the rule makers have politely marked out for you on the pitch. Here your chances of stopping or slowing an attack are greatly multiplied and you all but nullify the goal threat.

Should you win the turnover the idea you can easily and immediately boot the ball 40m to your own player is a fallacy. Again your most likely way to advance up the pitch is to make a series of handpasses by which you can advance into a scoring position and possibly work a score. Why would anyone lash the ball up to the front 3 when he at best has a 50/50 chance of winning it an may well miss the resulting shot at goal. You could count on one hand the amount of points that have been scored by fast ball into the front 3, as a source of scores it is vastly outnumbered by the running score or the "keeper overlap" score.

Worse still is the encouragement to waste time or keep possession without intention to score. Mayo got a black card against Tyrone and spent the guts of 10 minutes passing the ball to each other. They did the same at full-time. Why take a score and risk giving possession back to the opposition when you can just run around and wait for the hooter to save you? I don't blame Mayo for this I'd expect Tyrone to be smart enough to do the same thing. Likewise Dublin were fools to attempt to score against Kerry in the first half of a gale force wind. They should have just kept ball for 35 minutes as much as possible, preventing Kerry from making use of the wind advantage and leading to a 2nd half were Dublin would have the advantage on kick outs, scoring and defence. This was possible under the old rules but the new rules effectively make it easier as the defending team are armed with less players to press the team in possession.

It's no coincidence that the 2 most effective teams under the new rules are Dublin and Donegal. The uber-fit, running game suits them down to a tee. The predominant tactic used by the best teams will remain a mass attack, quick break and if that breaks prolonged spells of defensive arc hand passing.

That game would have been awful whatever rules were being followed.

I've been to a good few county and club games now, and while I'd amend some rules, I'm enjoying the football more than I have done for a good while (overall)

If shite games are still gonna be shite and good games are still going to be good remind me why we had to change the rules? Kerry/Dublin in the league is a cracking game 8 times out of 10.

In a years time we'll be adding rule changes to the rule changes because football simply reverts to type.

Modern 'type', possession based sideways football, rince and repeat was sucking the life out of the game, county, club and schools. Unless you had an emotional attachment, most games offered little in the way of excitement.
I'll definitely revisit how I feel at the end of the season