Casement Park in line for major overhaul - 40,000 all seater Stadium.

[bannside]

Agree Armaghniac under normal circumstances. But every so often there's a one off case that deserves to be considered on its merits.

In this particular case, that Antrims inability to host the numbers anticipated is due to handing over the keys of its main stadium on good faith to the competition organisers, and despite good intentions, over a decade later are not an inch further forward.

On this basis do you still feel that it's fair that Antrim are penalised??

Yes/No?

[Spiderlegs]

Genuine question Spiderlegs? After more than 15 posts on this subject, and quoting the rulebook verbatim, I offer the suggestion that you're more than a season ticket holder. I surmise you are of officialdom, to the extent you probably don't pay at all.

Possibly of the Ulster Council variety, (which dosent make you a bad person) just trying to assert what your motivation is in perpetuating the same debate.

Definitely a county official of some sorts...methinks!

As for myself, just a humble supporter who thinks that 4k would hold sufficient numbers in perfect safety, and when it's over, there will still be opportunities aplenty for Armagh supporters for days out, #fun in the sun.

Do I really have that many posts in here? Would have said 7 or 8 ,just shows how easy it is to lose the run of yourself in these forums!!

I'm genuinely just an Armagh season ticket holder, I don't have any more skin in this particular game than that.... And as I've mentioned a few times I'll give up my ticket without fuss if it comes to it and Antrim get the home tie.

Without giving over my details, I don't know how else I could go about proving it.

You're right though that the same debate has been occurring a number of times but I think it has been different people coming in and I've been latching onto it.

Verbatim quoting of the rulebook was a copy and paste job like. And someone asked what the wording was one of the times.

Corrigan would definitely hold 4k safely. But by the sounds of it you've read my posts, at this stage you'll not expect me to just say that should just be the end of the matter.

[Wildweasel74]

Armagh will odds on beat them in any location, so it comes down to letting as people as possible watching the game, or just do away with home fixtures and let championship games be played at Neutral venues. This Priblem would have arise with Dublin support for yrs, and itger teams were bought of with a take of game receipts. What can the Ulster Council offer Antrim GAA. As for Casement park, it's long by viable considering the cost. I rather the money be divided up among Ulster counties for stadium improvements. Know u could fire 10million into Celtic park and not even see it

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

Armagh will odds on beat them in any location, so it comes down to letting as people as possible watching the game, or just do any with home fixtures and let championship games be played at Neutral venues. This Priblem would have arise with Dublin support for yrs, and itger teams were bought of with a take of game receipts. What can the Ulster Council offer Antrim GAA. As for Casement park, it's long by viable considering the cost. I rather the money be divided up among Ulster counties for stadium improvements. Know u could fire 10million into Celtic park and not even see it

What an absolute victory for Antrim that would be.

[Rossfan]

Isn't the £62m Stormont money only for Casement?

[Duine Inteacht Eile]

Isn't the £62m Stormont money only for Casement?

That's a myth, from this board, I think. Although, it is the type of ballix Casement 'stakeholders' would have thrown out to quash the suggestion of doing anything else so I wouldn't be surprised if that's where it came from.

I mean, soccer had the autonomy to use half of their allowance to upgrade Windsor and the other half for sub-regional stadia (it has some other name now) upgrades. But apparently the GAA had to spend all of its allowance on Casement.

What do you reckon?

[take_yer_points]

Armagh couldn't have been sold less season tickets than was available to other counties on the basis that they had been drawn to play at Corrigan Park, as some ridiculous suggestions have been made. And now that those tickets have been sold, the Ulster Council are in a position where they feel they MUST honour them. And to do so, as well as the other tickets which need to be facilitated, the safe capacity of the ground is exceeded.

I honestly feel this is a very simple concept, especially with the GAA rulebook backing it up.

Surely you can see that a Home/Away draw is a very simple concept as well??

Is there a T&C on the season ticket that would allow them to "ration" tickets to season ticket holders?? For example, even if this situation isn't covered, can they change the T&C's without any notice?

[David McKeown]

Armagh couldn't have been sold less season tickets than was available to other counties on the basis that they had been drawn to play at Corrigan Park, as some ridiculous suggestions have been made. And now that those tickets have been sold, the Ulster Council are in a position where they feel they MUST honour them. And to do so, as well as the other tickets which need to be facilitated, the safe capacity of the ground is exceeded.

I honestly feel this is a very simple concept, especially with the GAA rulebook backing it up.

Surely you can see that a Home/Away draw is a very simple concept as well??

Is there a T&C on the season ticket that would allow them to "ration" tickets to season ticket holders?? For example, even if this situation isn't covered, can they change the T&C's without any notice?

The term is In the event that the number of Season Ticket holders exceeds stadium capacity or venue restrictions the GAA offers no guarantee of the availability of seats or entry to that fixture.

I doubt the GAA would want to try and rely on this though as it's open to interpretation particularly as the capacity of the ground was known before season tickets were sold.

[twohands!!!]

Isn't the £62m Stormont money only for Casement?

That's a myth, from this board, I think. Although, it is the type of ballix Casement 'stakeholders' would have thrown out to quash the suggestion of doing anything else so I wouldn't be surprised if that's where it came from.

I mean, soccer had the autonomy to use half of their allowance to upgrade Windsor and the other half for sub-regional stadia (it has some other name now) upgrades. But apparently the GAA had to spend all of its allowance on Casement.

What do you reckon?

Given the time elapsed and the whole situation with the Euros and the current state of the project plus the fact that the IFA spent half of their money on not Windsor, I reckon there's no chance there would be any real issue with the Stormont £62m money being spent on other GAA stadia. Might have some whinging from the usual whingers but I can't see any folk who are anywhere close to sane having a problem with it.

The only issue is that I expect all of it would have to be in the 6 which might be a bit a small issue for the Ulster Council as regards the other 3 getting their "fair" share especially but I really don't think that would be insurmountable.

[take_yer_points]

Armagh couldn't have been sold less season tickets than was available to other counties on the basis that they had been drawn to play at Corrigan Park, as some ridiculous suggestions have been made. And now that those tickets have been sold, the Ulster Council are in a position where they feel they MUST honour them. And to do so, as well as the other tickets which need to be facilitated, the safe capacity of the ground is exceeded.

I honestly feel this is a very simple concept, especially with the GAA rulebook backing it up.

Surely you can see that a Home/Away draw is a very simple concept as well??

Is there a T&C on the season ticket that would allow them to "ration" tickets to season ticket holders?? For example, even if this situation isn't covered, can they change the T&C's without any notice?

The term is In the event that the number of Season Ticket holders exceeds stadium capacity or venue restrictions the GAA offers no guarantee of the availability of seats or entry to that fixture.

I doubt the GAA would want to try and rely on this though as it's open to interpretation particularly as the capacity of the ground was known before season tickets were sold.

Thanks again David.

There's a rule/clause then that potentially covers both scenarios (rule in relation to venue change and the above on the season ticket)

This is a problem entirely of the Ulster Council's making. I'd be of the view that the correct thing is to preserve the integrity of the draw and keep it at Corrigan (ie. Antrim home draw stands)

[RadioGAAGAA]

The GAA should not ration its games, all should be welcome.

So by that rationale, they should be free?

and Croke Park should be expanded to a capacity of at least 250,000 for the high demand All Ireland Finals?

[RadioGAAGAA]

The only issue is that I expect all of it would have to be in the 6 which might be a bit a small issue for the Ulster Council as regards the other 3 getting their "fair" share especially but I really don't think that would be insurmountable.

Could probably be an arrangement where the Dublin money toward Casement goes to the other 3 counties in a broad equivalence.

[Rossfan]

Once they take their place in the Q with the other 23 Counties😉.

[David McKeown]

Armagh couldn't have been sold less season tickets than was available to other counties on the basis that they had been drawn to play at Corrigan Park, as some ridiculous suggestions have been made. And now that those tickets have been sold, the Ulster Council are in a position where they feel they MUST honour them. And to do so, as well as the other tickets which need to be facilitated, the safe capacity of the ground is exceeded.

I honestly feel this is a very simple concept, especially with the GAA rulebook backing it up.

Surely you can see that a Home/Away draw is a very simple concept as well??

Is there a T&C on the season ticket that would allow them to "ration" tickets to season ticket holders?? For example, even if this situation isn't covered, can they change the T&C's without any notice?

The term is In the event that the number of Season Ticket holders exceeds stadium capacity or venue restrictions the GAA offers no guarantee of the availability of seats or entry to that fixture.

I doubt the GAA would want to try and rely on this though as it's open to interpretation particularly as the capacity of the ground was known before season tickets were sold.

Thanks again David.

There's a rule/clause then that potentially covers both scenarios (rule in relation to venue change and the above on the season ticket)

This is a problem entirely of the Ulster Council's making. I'd be of the view that the correct thing is to preserve the integrity of the draw and keep it at Corrigan (ie. Antrim home draw stands)

I agree but I feel the potential costs to the association of not moving the game will win out.

[bannside]

And have you factored in David the loss to the association if the game is not played at all?