Casement Park in line for major overhaul - 40,000 all seater Stadium.

Started by Joxer, October 06, 2010, 02:42:28 PM

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twohands!!!


https://www.itv.com/news/utv/2025-02-11/gaa-president-impatient-for-casement-and-says-260m-is-needed

Quote"We just had a meeting with the First Minister, where we reiterated with her the fact that the building of Casement Park is an executive priority - it has been for the last 15 years

Quote"We think it can be built for around £260m.That figure is a figure that has been given to the Minister that includes all of the contingencies, unforeseen circumstances that might arise.

Quote"We're running out of time in terms of planning permission. Construction costs are rising, not in line with inflation, and I think it's very important that we continue to put pressure on to ensure that Casement is built to suit the demands of Ulster GAA and so we can hold our Ulster finals in West Belfast."

Quote"It's unfortunate that he hasn't acted on those yet, but we are really looking forward to seeing what the British Government commits to in their June spending review.

Jarlath would look to be deluded if he thinks the Brits are going to hand over the cash for this.
I'd say it will be a case of more kicking the can down the road until the current planning permission expires, and then some British government review will come out and says that this is a terrible use of government funds, they'll offer something like a maximim of £50 million with strict conditions about any overruns being met by the GAA and not by London or Stormont and the Ulster Council will have to either take it or leave it.

The fact that the previous government worst case cost estimate was supposedly around the £400m mark and the Ulster Council's current all possible contingencies price is currently £260 million and the difference between these two plans was merely abandonding the UEFA requirements for Euro2028 with no change in capacity mean there has to be serious question marks around the £260 million figure.

The clusterfuck rolls on.

Wildweasel74

I can't understand how they can't get a PTE nailed down.Its a standard requirement of a construction procurement process. I don't think the Ulster Council learned the lesson of the black hole around Corks shoulders down south.

Armamike

After removing the heating allowance from English pensioners theres's not much chance of getting money out of London.

Need to stop going round in circles and look at other options. Is the GAA going to contribute more? Have other financing sources been considered? Have there been fundraising initiatives over the years to add to the coffers? Corporate sponsorship, US fundraising etc? Maybe this work has been going on in the background but its never mentioned.
That's just, like your opinion man.

marty34

If Casement Park was built etc. how much would a renaming bring in?

Say 5 years.

X Casement Park.

Spiderlegs

QuoteThat the ground cannot hold the match due to Health and Safety.

It can hold up to 4000 safely. Ulster Council are stating the minimum tickets they MUST allocate exceeds this. What's difficult about that?

QuoteYes. For the slow learners - that is exactly what should have happened - or they were sold with the clear proviso that tickets for an away game against Antrim could not be guaranteed.

That's quite the sentence. From a wee bit of bad manners, to the utterly ridiculous, to something that might have a bit of merit. Bizzare if you honestly expect the GAA to put a clause into the season ticket purchases "If your county draws Antrim away from home you are getting less season tickets". Remember, season tickets are also for the league and for first refusal throughout the championship... Not just a one-off game at Antrim.
The Ulster Council doesn't appear to be considering non-guarantee of tickets already sold, but that might change.

QuoteWhen it was accepted as the nominated county ground for the championship draw did it pass through the 6.12 gate at that point?
If it didn't, why were Antrim told at the outset they would never have a home draw and would always be playing at best at a neutral venue?

Doesn't need to pass through it from the outset, home games are reviewed as and when needed. There's numerous championship games that will simply go ahead in Corrigan Park without deliberation - and all other Ulster County's grounds are fine, so having an open draw is reasonable on the understanding that rule 6.12 may on occasion need to be referred to. Had Armagh had less season ticket sales, it could easily have went ahead without deliberation.

OakleafCounty

This saga is just getting boring now. Jarlath Burns talking about how the stadium can be built for £260m while that still leaves a £150m shortfall.  ::)  Just relay the pitch and build two stands with whats available and it'll still be better than most County grounds meeting Antrims requirements.

As someone in Derry, I don't see Casement as my stadium and I'd rather see the money distributed evenly to spruce up other County Grounds. £10m would go a long way in sprucing up Celtic Park. 

Rossfan

Still blathering as the money available shrinks due to inflation.
Build what you can with what you have and let the future take care of itself.
Play the game and play it fairly
Play the game like Dermot Earley.

twohands!!!

Quote from: OakleafCounty on February 12, 2025, 09:22:56 AMThis saga is just getting boring now. Jarlath Burns talking about how the stadium can be built for £260m while that still leaves a £150m shortfall.  ::)  Just relay the pitch and build two stands with whats available and it'll still be better than most County grounds meeting Antrims requirements.

As someone in Derry, I don't see Casement as my stadium and I'd rather see the money distributed evenly to spruce up other County Grounds. £10m would go a long way in sprucing up Celtic Park. 

When you look at how much could be done with the likely truckloads of money that will be spent on this in club and county grounds accross the province it's infuriating.

Quote from: marty34 on February 12, 2025, 08:37:17 AMIf Casement Park was built etc. how much would a renaming bring in?

Say 5 years.

X Casement Park.

Supervalu PuC was supposedly €2.5 million for 10 years.
Also the stadium was open for six or seven years before Cork GAA managed to get around to signing that deal.

On a project this size, naming rights are very close to being a drop in the ocean.

Given the lack of hurling games/smaller number of matches compared to PuC, the Ulster Council would be doing well to get close to those sort of figures. Budgeting anything over £200k a year would look to be over- optimistic so best case is probably £1 million over 5 years.

Quote from: Armamike on February 12, 2025, 12:25:25 AMAfter removing the heating allowance from English pensioners theres's not much chance of getting money out of London.

Need to stop going round in circles and look at other options. Is the GAA going to contribute more? Have other financing sources been considered? Have there been fundraising initiatives over the years to add to the coffers? Corporate sponsorship, US fundraising etc? Maybe this work has been going on in the background but its never mentioned.


The vibe I'm getting from Jarlath's statements seem to be that the Ulster Council are just expecting London to simply cover the shorfall, so why would they bother looking elsewhere. I'm sure if there was anything being done it would be trumpeted all over the place.

Overall it looks like absolutely nothing has been learned from dealing with the Tories.

The Ulster Council still seem to be stuck with the mindset of "we were promised a blank cheque to build a stadium, so a stadium will magically appear" and don't realise that the Euro 2028 winning lotto ticket scenario has been torn up and burnt. There seems to be absolute zero consideration of what happens if this goes badly wrong and how damaging it could be to the overall Ulster and GAA's finances. Looks like absolutely nothing was learned for the Pairc Ui Chaoimh disaster.

AustinPowers

I'm sure there's money to start building , so just Build one stand at a time, like they did with Croke Park .

If it takes 20 years until the 4 sides are finished , so be it.

Just start building it

Norm-Peterson

I took a quick look through Facebook comments on Casement Park posts. It is funny how all the ones complaining have English and Scottish surnames, you could guess what they were going to say the second you saw their name. It is an eye opener to see how bitter and twisted unionists still are.

RadioGAAGAA

Quote from: Spiderlegs on February 12, 2025, 09:07:56 AMIt can hold up to 4000 safely. Ulster Council are stating the minimum tickets they MUST allocate exceeds this. What's difficult about that?

Again, for the very slow learners - you allocate tickets based on the hosting ground.
Not the other way around.

If the ground was never fit to host, then it should never have been accepted as such from the get-go.



Quote from: Spiderlegs on February 12, 2025, 09:07:56 AMThat's quite the sentence. From a wee bit of bad manners, to the utterly ridiculous, to something that might have a bit of merit. Bizzare if you honestly expect the GAA to put a clause into the season ticket purchases "If your county draws Antrim away from home you are getting less season tickets". Remember, season tickets are also for the league and for first refusal throughout the championship... Not just a one-off game at Antrim.

I've bad manners?

As opposed to all those insisting Antrim should just give up home advantage as it wouldn't really suit the Buckfast Brigade? 'cos that is certainly not the height of arrogance and ignorance.

Its not unknown for season tickets to come with provisos around allocations to the teams etc and the same applies here.

Do you think season ticket holders for a big soccer club are guaranteed rights to buy tickets for say a champions league final? No they aren't. They get entered into a draw if necessary.

i usse an speelchekor

mackers

Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on February 13, 2025, 12:57:19 PMI've bad manners?

As opposed to all those insisting Antrim should just give up home advantage as it wouldn't really suit the Buckfast Brigade? 'cos that is certainly not the height of arrogance and ignorance.
That's an interesting way of defending yourself against an accusation of bad manners.
Keep your pecker hard and your powder dry and the world will turn.

Spiderlegs

Quote from: RadioGAAGAA on February 13, 2025, 12:57:19 PM
Quote from: Spiderlegs on February 12, 2025, 09:07:56 AMIt can hold up to 4000 safely. Ulster Council are stating the minimum tickets they MUST allocate exceeds this. What's difficult about that?

Again, for the very slow learners - you allocate tickets based on the hosting ground.
Not the other way around.

If the ground was never fit to host, then it should never have been accepted as such from the get-go.



Quote from: Spiderlegs on February 12, 2025, 09:07:56 AMThat's quite the sentence. From a wee bit of bad manners, to the utterly ridiculous, to something that might have a bit of merit. Bizzare if you honestly expect the GAA to put a clause into the season ticket purchases "If your county draws Antrim away from home you are getting less season tickets". Remember, season tickets are also for the league and for first refusal throughout the championship... Not just a one-off game at Antrim.

I've bad manners?

As opposed to all those insisting Antrim should just give up home advantage as it wouldn't really suit the Buckfast Brigade? 'cos that is certainly not the height of arrogance and ignorance.

Its not unknown for season tickets to come with provisos around allocations to the teams etc and the same applies here.

Do you think season ticket holders for a big soccer club are guaranteed rights to buy tickets for say a champions league final? No they aren't. They get entered into a draw if necessary.



No-one thinks that, what are you talking about? Total conflation of the highest order. Buying a season ticket for a Premier League Club for example guarantees you access to every home game. Beyond that the rest is based on priority points systems and it is clear what you are buying.

And what about the GAA season ticket? What does it tell people they get when they buy it??

Exactly this and no more:
The Ticket provides access for one person to all your county's Allianz Leagues matches & GAA Senior Championship matches. The Season Ticket includes tickets to the All Ireland Senior Club Finals.
Dedicated fans who meet the compulsory criteria will be entitled to All-Ireland Final tickets. See All-Ireland Ticket Information for more details.


Armagh couldn't have been sold less season tickets than was available to other counties on the basis that they had been drawn to play at Corrigan Park, as some ridiculous suggestions have been made. And now that those tickets have been sold, the Ulster Council are in a position where they feel they MUST honour them. And to do so, as well as the other tickets which need to be facilitated, the safe capacity of the ground is exceeded.

I honestly feel this is a very simple concept, especially with the GAA rulebook backing it up.

The only thing really happening here is I'm telling you what the process actually is and you're just saying it's ar$e about face and should be done the other way about.

As an Armagh season ticket I would like Antrim to get their home tie. However, the process is against them.

bannside

Genuine question Spiderlegs? After more than 15 posts on this subject, and quoting the rulebook verbatim, I offer the suggestion that you're more than a season ticket holder. I surmise you are of officialdom, to the extent you probably don't pay at all.

Possibly of the Ulster Council variety, (which dosent make you a bad person) just trying to assert what your motivation is in perpetuating the same debate.

Definitely a county official of some sorts...methinks!

As for myself, just a humble supporter who thinks that 4k would hold sufficient numbers in perfect safety, and when it's over, there will still be opportunities aplenty for Armagh supporters for days out, #fun in the sun.

armaghniac

Quote from: bannside on February 14, 2025, 06:59:47 PMGenuine question Spiderlegs? After more than 15 posts on this subject, and quoting the rulebook verbatim, I offer the suggestion that you're more than a season ticket holder. I surmise you are of officialdom, to the extent you probably don't pay at all.

Possibly of the Ulster Council variety, (which dosent make you a bad person) just trying to assert what your motivation is in perpetuating the same debate.

Definitely a county official of some sorts...methinks!

As for myself, just a humble supporter who thinks that 4k would hold sufficient numbers in perfect safety, and when it's over, there will still be opportunities aplenty for Armagh supporters for days out, #fun in the sun.

The GAA should not ration its games, all should be welcome.
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