NFL Division 1 2025

[Ethan Tremblay]

I was merely pointing out how the kickout is going to decimate some teams down the road in an imbalanced match up, at the moment the league will not show the major flaws with the rules as teams are at a par level.  It was an observation on this rule rather than the provincial fixtures.

Personally, I would do away with the long kickout.  I like the idea the goalkeeper cannot come into possession as handy from a short kickout and the 3v3 rule means tight marking will ensure the fullback line are less likely to seek possession also from a short kickout.

Maybe watching football over the past 15 years has conditioned me to expect the team kicking the ball out to retain possession, but the idea the ball is automatically a 50/50 if going long is slightly annoying.

[scout]

Yes, but league is the true reflection - teams playing teams that's are of the same standard. I'm a huge fan of the league & feel is it seriously let down by lack of marking & push by the powers-that-be.

Armagh playing Antrim/fermanagh (right now)in a competitive game makes little sense.

You picked Antrim/Fermanagh, but games against other Ulster counties are far from a foregone conclusion and even Antrim have to get off their knees eventually.

Yes the Ulster football & Munster hurling championship are the exceptions.

And 2 games out of the Connacht championship. (A semi final & final)

Munster & Leinster championships are dead and that affects 17 counties

[Armagh18]

Yes, but league is the true reflection - teams playing teams that's are of the same standard. I'm a huge fan of the league & feel is it seriously let down by lack of marking & push by the powers-that-be.

Armagh playing Antrim/fermanagh (right now)in a competitive game makes little sense.

You picked Antrim/Fermanagh, but games against other Ulster counties are far from a foregone conclusion and even Antrim have to get off their knees eventually.

Not that long ago Fermanagh beat Armagh in Ulster, Down nearly did last year as well and probably should have.

[tbrick18]

I was merely pointing out how the kickout is going to decimate some teams down the road in an imbalanced match up, at the moment the league will not show the major flaws with the rules as teams are at a par level.  It was an observation on this rule rather than the provincial fixtures.

Personally, I would do away with the long kickout.  I like the idea the goalkeeper cannot come into possession as handy from a short kickout and the 3v3 rule means tight marking will ensure the fullback line are less likely to seek possession also from a short kickout.

Maybe watching football over the past 15 years has conditioned me to expect the team kicking the ball out to retain possession, but the idea the ball is automatically a 50/50 if going long is slightly annoying.

It's only 50/50 where teams are on a par. If one team is physically bigger or stronger, then the kickouts are heavily weighted towards them.
The smaller team could be better footballers but the bigger team could win all kickouts.
That's the thing I really don't like about the kickout. It seriously hinders a physically smaller team.

[Armagh18]

I was merely pointing out how the kickout is going to decimate some teams down the road in an imbalanced match up, at the moment the league will not show the major flaws with the rules as teams are at a par level.  It was an observation on this rule rather than the provincial fixtures.

Personally, I would do away with the long kickout.  I like the idea the goalkeeper cannot come into possession as handy from a short kickout and the 3v3 rule means tight marking will ensure the fullback line are less likely to seek possession also from a short kickout.

Maybe watching football over the past 15 years has conditioned me to expect the team kicking the ball out to retain possession, but the idea the ball is automatically a 50/50 if going long is slightly annoying.

It's only 50/50 where teams are on a par. If one team is physically bigger or stronger, then the kickouts are heavily weighted towards them.
The smaller team could be better footballers but the bigger team could win all kickouts.
That's the thing I really don't like about the kickout. It seriously hinders a physically smaller team.

Yes and no. You'll see a lot of scrappy break ball, one of the best Armagh had the other night at winning break ball was Jemar Hall who was probably the smallest man on the field. Obviously a bigger man is more likely to catch it cleanly but usually if you can get bodies around it the ball can be broke

[Rossfan]

Size and strength were always useful things to have in Gaelic football.

[tbrick18]

I was merely pointing out how the kickout is going to decimate some teams down the road in an imbalanced match up, at the moment the league will not show the major flaws with the rules as teams are at a par level.  It was an observation on this rule rather than the provincial fixtures.

Personally, I would do away with the long kickout.  I like the idea the goalkeeper cannot come into possession as handy from a short kickout and the 3v3 rule means tight marking will ensure the fullback line are less likely to seek possession also from a short kickout.

Maybe watching football over the past 15 years has conditioned me to expect the team kicking the ball out to retain possession, but the idea the ball is automatically a 50/50 if going long is slightly annoying.

It's only 50/50 where teams are on a par. If one team is physically bigger or stronger, then the kickouts are heavily weighted towards them.
The smaller team could be better footballers but the bigger team could win all kickouts.
That's the thing I really don't like about the kickout. It seriously hinders a physically smaller team.

Yes and no. You'll see a lot of scrappy break ball, one of the best Armagh had the other night at winning break ball was Jemar Hall who was probably the smallest man on the field. Obviously a bigger man is more likely to catch it cleanly but usually if you can get bodies around it the ball can be broke

True, but Tyrone did have 2 big men out there too so there were always going to be breaks.
My point is there are teams that don't have those big men in the middle so won't be able to force the break.
Think Tyrone in the 00's, they more or less bypassed MF completely as they didnt have those ball winners. Instead ran the ball through midfield and it worked for them - I don't think you could do that now.

[tbrick18]

Size and strength were always useful things to have in Gaelic football.

Yes, but I don't the rules deliberately favoured the stronger bigger teams previously.
Now they certainly do.

[Milltown Row2]

I seen a few kick outs that the keeper kicked out the wing of the 40 arc. Ball was collected easy enough those times

Would it not make sense to stretch the kicking zone in order to not have that happen (crowded midfields) as often?

[screenexile]

I seen a few kick outs that the keeper kicked out the wing of the 40 arc. Ball was collected easy enough those times

Would it not make sense to stretch the kicking zone in order to not have that happen (crowded midfields) as often?

This is an interesting passage of play in the Derry Kerry match... you need to have your homework done if you try a short kickout!

https://x.com/CahairOKane1/status/1887085098127778260

[Milltown Row2]

I seen a few kick outs that the keeper kicked out the wing of the 40 arc. Ball was collected easy enough those times

Would it not make sense to stretch the kicking zone in order to not have that happen (crowded midfields) as often?

This is an interesting passage of play in the Derry Kerry match... you need to have your homework done if you try a short kickout!

https://x.com/CahairOKane1/status/1887085098127778260

And you need to press to counter it..

Which teams as he said should always have been doing that. In my opinion, giving team's possession is nuts

[JPO]

Gaelic football is a sport. The team with the best players is more likely to win the match.Like all other sports. Thats how it should be,simple.If a team has players who cant win  a ball from a kickout because the players are too small so what? If players cant defend one on one or kick 2 pointers from 40 metres then they deserve to get beaten.The best teams will be left in the championship as it should be. Thats sport. With these  rule changes hopefully the game will evolve so that the players who really dont have the ability to play gaelic football will be exposed.   

[JPO]

We've already seen in the games so far how players are scrambling about trying to win the breaking ball from a kickout. Only a very few players actually jumping for the ball. It's quite pitiful really to see how low our once great game has fallen. 

[Ciarrai_thuaidh]

We've already seen in the games so far how players are scrambling about trying to win the breaking ball from a kickout. Only a very few players actually jumping for the ball. It's quite pitiful really to see how low our once great game has fallen. 

Well I haven't watched every game but in the Derry v Kerry game there must've been 16/17 clean catches from kickouts. Some of the fetches by Glass, Tohill and O'Connor were majestic.
Good bit of breaking ball too of course but nothing wrong with that and it's a skill players will have to go back and work on.
They can watch a few tapes of the noughties when Galvin, Dooher etc were masters at it.

[APM]

We've already seen in the games so far how players are scrambling about trying to win the breaking ball from a kickout. Only a very few players actually jumping for the ball. It's quite pitiful really to see how low our once great game has fallen. 

Did you just start watching football in 2010? Strange post!