NI Public Health Consultation Bill - Jul 2024

[J70]

J70 ... if that policy was in place 4 years ago, do you believe someone would have injected me with the covid vaccine against my will?
 

No.

[imtommygunn]

Increasing obesity, autism, adhd, asthma, diabetes, cardiovascular disease, dementia, Alzheimer's, stroke, arthritis etc etc. very little legislation to start tackling root cause of this stuff apart from introducing more costly drugs to temper symptoms and keep you just a little less sick. I wish I had forseen the invention of the pill caddy/organiser back in the day.
Doctors only care about the system, not you the patient, a fact demonstrated by them being one of the largest professional cohorts in the Nazi party back in the day.

That is the most bonkers thing I have ever read on here and there have been many bonkers thing.

[theskull1]

J70 ... if that policy was in place 4 years ago, do you believe someone would have injected me with the covid vaccine against my will?
 

No.

Thanks for the response, but I'm a bit unclear how you came to that answer. Having read page 47, surely you'd agree that forcing people to get vaccinated against their will may have been a decision they would have taken given that the authorities considered anyone not vaccinated against covid being a threat to public health?

[J70]

J70 ... if that policy was in place 4 years ago, do you believe someone would have injected me with the covid vaccine against my will?
 

No.

Thanks for the response, but I'm a bit unclear how you came to that answer. Having read page 47, surely you'd agree that forcing people to get vaccinated against their will may have been a decision they would have taken given that the authorities considered anyone not vaccinated against covid being a threat to public health?

How exactly would that have worked?

[JoG2]

Increasing obesity, autism, adhd, asthma, diabetes, cardiovascular disease, dementia, Alzheimer's, stroke, arthritis etc etc. very little legislation to start tackling root cause of this stuff apart from introducing more costly drugs to temper symptoms and keep you just a little less sick. I wish I had forseen the invention of the pill caddy/organiser back in the day.
Doctors only care about the system, not you the patient, a fact demonstrated by them being one of the largest professional cohorts in the Nazi party back in the day.

Could well be the most ridiculous thing ever posted on this board, and that's something! You need rebooted lad, put into safe mode, YouTube and whatever else uninstalled and then switched on again

[theskull1]

J70 ... if that policy was in place 4 years ago, do you believe someone would have injected me with the covid vaccine against my will?
 

No.

Thanks for the response, but I'm a bit unclear how you came to that answer. Having read page 47, surely you'd agree that forcing people to get vaccinated against their will may have been a decision they would have taken given that the authorities considered anyone not vaccinated against covid being a threat to public health?

How exactly would that have worked?

Its not for me to flesh out the mechanics of how it would work.

Can we not just assume the Public Health authorities would know that answer and get back to the previous question I asked?

[Milltown Row2]

Obesity: Self inflected
autism: no single cause but yes there is a train of thought that exposure to pesticides can be one reason, age of parents when giving birth and genetic factors can come into play
adhd: Well parents can mainly take the blame for this one, what they consumed before and while pregnant
asthma: can be past down if parents have it, and people had asthma long before vaccines
diabetes: Generally self inflected
cardiovascular disease: can be mainly self inflected
dementia: mainly age related but certainly like all f these lifestyle choices don't help
Alzheimer's: mainly age related but certainly like all f these lifestyle choices don't help
Strokes: very preventable but some family history of it and Ethnicity can be a reason. but mainly poor life style choices, though her mum had one,  great lifestyle, healthy, so other than stress which she has, it was the main reason I feel for hers
Arthritis: can be just down to old age, self inflected through sports, injuries, wear and tear because of weight

There are plenty of other illnesses that can be prevented or certainly reduced, but having worked in a surgery for many years and seeing the types of people coming in, it would take some sea of change to reverse all of that and I think the horse has bolted, and if you have any sense start looking after yourself now.

On a good note I had a hearty farmer in with me earlier today, 76 years old still manning the farm from 5 in the morning till 6 at night, no medication, not much weight on him, couple of beers with dinner, glass of wine and bed! repeat 7 days a week lol!

As for the doctors, I wouldn't stick them on the gestopo list just yet, the system doesn't allow them to care after patients the way it was intended, its the system that's fucked, not the doctors

[johnnycool]

Obesity: Self inflected
autism: no single cause but yes there is a train of thought that exposure to pesticides can be one reason, age of parents when giving birth and genetic factors can come into play
adhd: Well parents can mainly take the blame for this one, what they consumed before and while pregnant
asthma: can be past down if parents have it, and people had asthma long before vaccines
diabetes: Generally self inflected
cardiovascular disease: can be mainly self inflected
dementia: mainly age related but certainly like all f these lifestyle choices don't help
Alzheimer's: mainly age related but certainly like all f these lifestyle choices don't help
Strokes: very preventable but some family history of it and Ethnicity can be a reason. but mainly poor life style choices, though her mum had one,  great lifestyle, healthy, so other than stress which she has, it was the main reason I feel for hers
Arthritis: can be just down to old age, self inflected through sports, injuries, wear and tear because of weight

There are plenty of other illnesses that can be prevented or certainly reduced, but having worked in a surgery for many years and seeing the types of people coming in, it would take some sea of change to reverse all of that and I think the horse has bolted, and if you have any sense start looking after yourself now.

On a good note I had a hearty farmer in with me earlier today, 76 years old still manning the farm from 5 in the morning till 6 at night, no medication, not much weight on him, couple of beers with dinner, glass of wine and bed! repeat 7 days a week lol!

As for the doctors, I wouldn't stick them on the gestopo list just yet, the system doesn't allow them to care after patients the way it was intended, its the system that's fucked, not the doctors

What lifestyle choices have an impact on Alzheimers and Dementia?

[Milltown Row2]

Obesity: Self inflected
autism: no single cause but yes there is a train of thought that exposure to pesticides can be one reason, age of parents when giving birth and genetic factors can come into play
adhd: Well parents can mainly take the blame for this one, what they consumed before and while pregnant
asthma: can be past down if parents have it, and people had asthma long before vaccines
diabetes: Generally self inflected
cardiovascular disease: can be mainly self inflected
dementia: mainly age related but certainly like all f these lifestyle choices don't help
Alzheimer's: mainly age related but certainly like all f these lifestyle choices don't help
Strokes: very preventable but some family history of it and Ethnicity can be a reason. but mainly poor life style choices, though her mum had one,  great lifestyle, healthy, so other than stress which she has, it was the main reason I feel for hers
Arthritis: can be just down to old age, self inflected through sports, injuries, wear and tear because of weight

There are plenty of other illnesses that can be prevented or certainly reduced, but having worked in a surgery for many years and seeing the types of people coming in, it would take some sea of change to reverse all of that and I think the horse has bolted, and if you have any sense start looking after yourself now.

On a good note I had a hearty farmer in with me earlier today, 76 years old still manning the farm from 5 in the morning till 6 at night, no medication, not much weight on him, couple of beers with dinner, glass of wine and bed! repeat 7 days a week lol!

As for the doctors, I wouldn't stick them on the gestopo list just yet, the system doesn't allow them to care after patients the way it was intended, its the system that's fucked, not the doctors

What lifestyle choices have an impact on Alzheimers and Dementia?

Smoking increases the risk of vascular problems (problems with the heart and blood vessels). These vascular problems are also linked to the two most common forms of dementia: Alzheimer's disease and vascular dementia.

[Deerstalker]

Let's face it, the ADHD/Autism explosion is in the main down to parents gaming the system

[Last Man]

Increasing obesity, autism, adhd, asthma, diabetes, cardiovascular disease, dementia, Alzheimer's, stroke, arthritis etc etc. very little legislation to start tackling root cause of this stuff apart from introducing more costly drugs to temper symptoms and keep you just a little less sick. I wish I had forseen the invention of the pill caddy/organiser back in the day.
Doctors only care about the system, not you the patient, a fact demonstrated by them being one of the largest professional cohorts in the Nazi party back in the day.

Could well be the most ridiculous thing ever posted on this board, and that's something! You need rebooted lad, put into safe mode, YouTube and whatever else uninstalled and then switched on again

Flesh that out for me if you can. My understanding is that their salary is dependent on the system, there is a code for every diagnosis and procedure. The system ultimately directs them to the treatment. They are not afforded the latitude to treat any patient as an individual. are you comfortable with this for both yourself and your children? The Nazi party began in the name of doing good for post WW1 Germany, look where it ended up though. The facts about the make up of the party membership is what it is. The docs were as easily indoctrinated as the plebs.

[JoG2]

Increasing obesity, autism, adhd, asthma, diabetes, cardiovascular disease, dementia, Alzheimer's, stroke, arthritis etc etc. very little legislation to start tackling root cause of this stuff apart from introducing more costly drugs to temper symptoms and keep you just a little less sick. I wish I had forseen the invention of the pill caddy/organiser back in the day.
Doctors only care about the system, not you the patient, a fact demonstrated by them being one of the largest professional cohorts in the Nazi party back in the day.

Could well be the most ridiculous thing ever posted on this board, and that's something! You need rebooted lad, put into safe mode, YouTube and whatever else uninstalled and then switched on again

Flesh that out for me if you can. My understanding is that their salary is dependent on the system, there is a code for every diagnosis and procedure. The system ultimately directs them to the treatment. They are not afforded the latitude to treat any patient as an individual. are you comfortable with this for both yourself and your children? The Nazi party began in the name of doing good for post WW1 Germany, look where it ended up though. The facts about the make up of the party membership is what it is. The docs were as easily indoctrinated as the plebs.

I'll flesh out nothing, I work in the health sector, the 'doctors only care about the system' is utter nonsense

[johnnycool]

Let's face it, the ADHD/Autism explosion is in the main down to parents gaming the system

Do you work with kids in any capacity?

I coach kids of primary school ages and it becomes apparent quite early who are on spectrums of various degrees.

Not always parents gaming benefits out of their kids..

[J70]

J70 ... if that policy was in place 4 years ago, do you believe someone would have injected me with the covid vaccine against my will?
 

No.

Thanks for the response, but I'm a bit unclear how you came to that answer. Having read page 47, surely you'd agree that forcing people to get vaccinated against their will may have been a decision they would have taken given that the authorities considered anyone not vaccinated against covid being a threat to public health?

How exactly would that have worked?

Its not for me to flesh out the mechanics of how it would work.

Can we not just assume the Public Health authorities would know that answer and get back to the previous question I asked?

Yeah, it is down to you to at least list some potential scenarios as you are the one who is making the wild assertions.

It comes down to plausibility.

Do you really believe the government, already up to it's ears with health service problems before the pandemic, but now with massive shortages of nurses and PPE and severely overburdened active staff, is going to be able to roll out a program to track who is not taking the vaccine and then mobilize enough cops and soldiers to round up all of these thousands of people, bring them to some kind of temporary detention center, strap each of them down, inject the vaccine, and then hold them all so that the second dose can be administered a couple of weeks later? And then just release them all without any legal or popular repurcussion?

Its going to do all of this rather than rely on the carrot/stick approach of restrictions/permissions that they did in fact use?

Yeah, you definitely need to back up what you're claiming.

[J70]

Increasing obesity, autism, adhd, asthma, diabetes, cardiovascular disease, dementia, Alzheimer's, stroke, arthritis etc etc. very little legislation to start tackling root cause of this stuff apart from introducing more costly drugs to temper symptoms and keep you just a little less sick. I wish I had forseen the invention of the pill caddy/organiser back in the day.
Doctors only care about the system, not you the patient, a fact demonstrated by them being one of the largest professional cohorts in the Nazi party back in the day.

Could well be the most ridiculous thing ever posted on this board, and that's something! You need rebooted lad, put into safe mode, YouTube and whatever else uninstalled and then switched on again

Flesh that out for me if you can. My understanding is that their salary is dependent on the system, there is a code for every diagnosis and procedure. The system ultimately directs them to the treatment. They are not afforded the latitude to treat any patient as an individual. are you comfortable with this for both yourself and your children? The Nazi party began in the name of doing good for post WW1 Germany, look where it ended up though. The facts about the make up of the party membership is what it is. The docs were as easily indoctrinated as the plebs.

I'll flesh out nothing, I work in the health sector, the 'doctors only care about the system' is utter nonsense

With a sibling and an in-law who are both doctors, as well as several relatives, I absolutely second this.