Ulster Club SFC 2024

Started by general_lee, September 16, 2024, 11:37:31 AM

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illdecide

Ulster Club is a great competition...For years Crossmaglen were top dogs, Tyrone and Derry have been consistently strong and by the looks of things will continue this way. Kilkoo in Down are so hard to beat and a great side. Donegal and Monaghan are usually strong too so in reality Ulster winners are not easily predicted.
Unfortunately IMO the tried and tested will come out on top again with either Glenn or Kilkoo as Ulster winners, I hope i'm wrong. Would love to see someone new make the break through...Carryduff maybe?
I can swim a little but i can't fly an inch

SouthOfThe Bann

Quote from: illdecide on September 18, 2024, 09:57:45 AMUlster Club is a great competition...For years Crossmaglen were top dogs, Tyrone and Derry have been consistently strong and by the looks of things will continue this way. Kilkoo in Down are so hard to beat and a great side. Donegal and Monaghan are usually strong too so in reality Ulster winners are not easily predicted.
Unfortunately IMO the tried and tested will come out on top again with either Glenn or Kilkoo as Ulster winners, I hope i'm wrong. Would love to see someone new make the break through...Carryduff maybe?

Tyrone Clubs have a terrible record in this competition nearly as bad as my own county Cavan.

Is Karl Lacey still over Kilcoo?

tiempo

The highlight of last years Ulster Club


general_lee

Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on September 18, 2024, 10:05:06 AM
Quote from: illdecide on September 18, 2024, 09:57:45 AMUlster Club is a great competition...For years Crossmaglen were top dogs, Tyrone and Derry have been consistently strong and by the looks of things will continue this way. Kilkoo in Down are so hard to beat and a great side. Donegal and Monaghan are usually strong too so in reality Ulster winners are not easily predicted.
Unfortunately IMO the tried and tested will come out on top again with either Glenn or Kilkoo as Ulster winners, I hope i'm wrong. Would love to see someone new make the break through...Carryduff maybe?

Tyrone Clubs have a terrible record in this competition nearly as bad as my own county Cavan.

Is Karl Lacey still over Kilcoo?
What? Tyrone have the best club championship in Ireland sure!

Anyone take a stab at each county winner?

Antrim - Cargin
Armagh - Clann Éireann
Cavan - Ballyhaise
Derry - Glen
Donegal - Naomh Conaill
Down - Kilcoo
Fermanagh - Enniskillen Gaels
Monaghan - Scotstown
Tyrone - Errigal

illdecide

Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on September 18, 2024, 10:05:06 AM
Quote from: illdecide on September 18, 2024, 09:57:45 AMUlster Club is a great competition...For years Crossmaglen were top dogs, Tyrone and Derry have been consistently strong and by the looks of things will continue this way. Kilkoo in Down are so hard to beat and a great side. Donegal and Monaghan are usually strong too so in reality Ulster winners are not easily predicted.
Unfortunately IMO the tried and tested will come out on top again with either Glenn or Kilkoo as Ulster winners, I hope i'm wrong. Would love to see someone new make the break through...Carryduff maybe?

Tyrone Clubs have a terrible record in this competition nearly as bad as my own county Cavan.

Is Karl Lacey still over Kilcoo?

Agreed, but they're quality sides and should be doing better. Why do they under perform in Ulster? or maybe that's their level and I think they're better than they actually are.
I can swim a little but i can't fly an inch

illdecide

Quote from: general_lee on September 18, 2024, 10:12:11 AM
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on September 18, 2024, 10:05:06 AM
Quote from: illdecide on September 18, 2024, 09:57:45 AMUlster Club is a great competition...For years Crossmaglen were top dogs, Tyrone and Derry have been consistently strong and by the looks of things will continue this way. Kilkoo in Down are so hard to beat and a great side. Donegal and Monaghan are usually strong too so in reality Ulster winners are not easily predicted.
Unfortunately IMO the tried and tested will come out on top again with either Glenn or Kilkoo as Ulster winners, I hope i'm wrong. Would love to see someone new make the break through...Carryduff maybe?

Tyrone Clubs have a terrible record in this competition nearly as bad as my own county Cavan.

Is Karl Lacey still over Kilcoo?
What? Tyrone have the best club championship in Ireland sure!

Anyone take a stab at each county winner?

Antrim - Cargin - Agree
Armagh - Clann Éireann - Certainly have the players but a wee bit soft on the under belly for me (always have been)
Cavan - Ballyhaise - Castlerahan maybe?
Derry - Glen - Agree
Donegal - Naomh Conaill - Kilcar
Down - Kilcoo - Agreed but hoping Carryduff or Burren do it
Fermanagh - Enniskillen Gaels - Agree
Monaghan - Scotstown - Agreed but Clontibret should be there abouts
Tyrone - Errigal - Agree
I can swim a little but i can't fly an inch

SouthOfThe Bann

Derry are the Club football Kingpins see stats below; their ability to keep producing strong club sides when others fall off is incredible and nearly all from the football stronghold of south Derry arguably the strongest football area in the country

Ulster Club winners & Nr of clubs

Derry 17 from 8 Clubs
Armagh 15 from 3 Clubs
Down 9 from 3 clubs
Monaghan 6 from 2 clubs
Antrim 4 from 2 clubs
Donegal 2 from 2 clubs
Tyrone 2 from 1 club
Cavan 0 from 0 clubs
Fermangh 0  from 0 clubs

tiempo

Quote from: illdecide on September 18, 2024, 10:12:58 AM
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on September 18, 2024, 10:05:06 AM
Quote from: illdecide on September 18, 2024, 09:57:45 AMUlster Club is a great competition...For years Crossmaglen were top dogs, Tyrone and Derry have been consistently strong and by the looks of things will continue this way. Kilkoo in Down are so hard to beat and a great side. Donegal and Monaghan are usually strong too so in reality Ulster winners are not easily predicted.
Unfortunately IMO the tried and tested will come out on top again with either Glenn or Kilkoo as Ulster winners, I hope i'm wrong. Would love to see someone new make the break through...Carryduff maybe?

Tyrone Clubs have a terrible record in this competition nearly as bad as my own county Cavan.

Is Karl Lacey still over Kilcoo?

Agreed, but they're quality sides and should be doing better. Why do they under perform in Ulster? or maybe that's their level and I think they're better than they actually are.

Tyrone teams aren't able to plan for Ulster, winning Tyrone is a job in itself, tapering and repeat opportunities being big components, if a team in Tyrone won 13 county titles in a row I'm sure they'd have converted a couple to Ulster success, at times in other counties the county champions season was only starting with the first round of Ulster

That Darren Hughes hit on Brannigan surely was a thing of beauty, and the winning of the game

Footnote neither Scotstown or Kilcoo won Ulster last year, so they both must be shite

SouthOfThe Bann

Quote from: illdecide on September 18, 2024, 10:22:28 AM
Quote from: general_lee on September 18, 2024, 10:12:11 AM
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on September 18, 2024, 10:05:06 AM
Quote from: illdecide on September 18, 2024, 09:57:45 AMUlster Club is a great competition...For years Crossmaglen were top dogs, Tyrone and Derry have been consistently strong and by the looks of things will continue this way. Kilkoo in Down are so hard to beat and a great side. Donegal and Monaghan are usually strong too so in reality Ulster winners are not easily predicted.
Unfortunately IMO the tried and tested will come out on top again with either Glenn or Kilkoo as Ulster winners, I hope i'm wrong. Would love to see someone new make the break through...Carryduff maybe?

Tyrone Clubs have a terrible record in this competition nearly as bad as my own county Cavan.

Is Karl Lacey still over Kilcoo?
What? Tyrone have the best club championship in Ireland sure!

Anyone take a stab at each county winner?

Antrim - Cargin - Agree
Armagh - Clann Éireann - Certainly have the players but a wee bit soft on the under belly for me (always have been)
Cavan - Ballyhaise - Castlerahan maybe?
Derry - Glen - Agree
Donegal - Naomh Conaill - Kilcar
Down - Kilcoo - Agreed but hoping Carryduff or Burren do it
Fermanagh - Enniskillen Gaels - Agree
Monaghan - Scotstown - Agreed but Clontibret should be there abouts
Tyrone - Errigal - Agree


Ballyhaise or Castlerahan highly unlikely to win the Cavan chamopionship; 6th and 7th favourites with the bookies respectively.

Winners likely to come form Gowna or Crosserlough; with Ramor capable of dogging out a championship as 3rd favourites.
 

FermGael

Quote from: tiempo on September 18, 2024, 10:30:07 AM
Quote from: illdecide on September 18, 2024, 10:12:58 AM
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on September 18, 2024, 10:05:06 AM
Quote from: illdecide on September 18, 2024, 09:57:45 AMUlster Club is a great competition...For years Crossmaglen were top dogs, Tyrone and Derry have been consistently strong and by the looks of things will continue this way. Kilkoo in Down are so hard to beat and a great side. Donegal and Monaghan are usually strong too so in reality Ulster winners are not easily predicted.
Unfortunately IMO the tried and tested will come out on top again with either Glenn or Kilkoo as Ulster winners, I hope i'm wrong. Would love to see someone new make the break through...Carryduff maybe?

Tyrone Clubs have a terrible record in this competition nearly as bad as my own county Cavan.

Is Karl Lacey still over Kilcoo?

Agreed, but they're quality sides and should be doing better. Why do they under perform in Ulster? or maybe that's their level and I think they're better than they actually are.

Tyrone teams aren't able to plan for Ulster, winning Tyrone is a job in itself, tapering and repeat opportunities being big components, if a team in Tyrone won 13 county titles in a row I'm sure they'd have converted a couple to Ulster success, at times in other counties the county champions season was only starting with the first round of Ulster



That Darren Hughes hit on Brannigan surely was a thing of beauty, and the winning of the game

Footnote neither Scotstown or Kilcoo won Ulster last year, so they both must be shite


As Tyrone is a knockout championship you now only need to win 4 games in Tyrone to win it.
That's the lowest of any county in Ulster.
Having watched Tyrone club championship it's nothing to do with tapering.
All Tyrone senior clubs are around the same level.
That makes it a very competitive championship but it's short on quality.
That's the reason they can't cut it at Ulster club level in the senior championship
It's also the reason they do so well at intermediate and senior
At those levels their club championships are well ahead of other counties at that level.


Wanted.  Forwards to take frees.
Not fussy.  Any sort of ability will be considered

WT4E

Quote from: WT4E on September 16, 2024, 03:49:18 PMTyrone SFC at QF stage this weekend:

Carrickmore v Killyclogher
Dungannon v Loughmacrory
Trillick v Ardboe
Errigal Ciaran v Clonoe

Just an insight into the Tyrone last 8 IMHO

Expecting an Errigal V Dungannon final.
Loughmacrory are a young side and have plenty of quality in the younger members but I think they will lack the experience to get past Dungannon (An upset isvery possible). Killyclogher Carrickmore is a flip of the coin but I don't think either have enough to win it - Carrickmore where previously kingpins but are now going through their longest drought in history I believe.

On the Errigal side they really only have Trillick to negogiate and I think they will as back to back Tyrone titles are virtually impossible and I don;t think Trillick are anywhere near the form of last year.

Errigal to go into Ulster for me.

tyroneStatto

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Quote from: WT4E on September 18, 2024, 10:52:16 AMJust an insight into the Tyrone last 8 IMHO

Expecting an Errigal V Dungannon final.
Loughmacrory are a young side and have plenty of quality in the younger members but I think they will lack the experience to get past Dungannon (An upset isvery possible). Killyclogher Carrickmore is a flip of the coin but I don't think either have enough to win it - Carrickmore where previously kingpins but are now going through their longest drought in history I believe.

On the Errigal side they really only have Trillick to negogiate and I think they will as back to back Tyrone titles are virtually impossible and I don;t think Trillick are anywhere near the form of last year.

Errigal to go into Ulster for me.

The years between 1979 to 1995 was their previous drought and now it's 2005  to ?. can mind being at the 1995 Final which was played in Coalisland a week before Christmas Eve, and there was some celebrations done by Carrickmore back then at the final whistle. Imagine what it would be like now.

thebigfullforward

Quote from: WT4E on September 18, 2024, 10:52:16 AM
Quote from: WT4E on September 16, 2024, 03:49:18 PMTyrone SFC at QF stage this weekend:

Carrickmore v Killyclogher
Dungannon v Loughmacrory
Trillick v Ardboe
Errigal Ciaran v Clonoe

Just an insight into the Tyrone last 8 IMHO

Expecting an Errigal V Dungannon final.
Loughmacrory are a young side and have plenty of quality in the younger members but I think they will lack the experience to get past Dungannon (An upset isvery possible). Killyclogher Carrickmore is a flip of the coin but I don't think either have enough to win it - Carrickmore where previously kingpins but are now going through their longest drought in history I believe.

On the Errigal side they really only have Trillick to negogiate and I think they will as back to back Tyrone titles are virtually impossible and I don;t think Trillick are anywhere near the form of last year.

Errigal to go into Ulster for me.
I'm confused what you mean here? You say Errigal only have to get past Trillick but you predicted a Dungannon - Errigal final. That can't happen considering Errigal are on one side of the draw and Trillick & Dungannon are on the other

JoG2

Quote from: tiempo on September 18, 2024, 10:30:07 AM
Quote from: illdecide on September 18, 2024, 10:12:58 AM
Quote from: SouthOfThe Bann on September 18, 2024, 10:05:06 AM
Quote from: illdecide on September 18, 2024, 09:57:45 AMUlster Club is a great competition...For years Crossmaglen were top dogs, Tyrone and Derry have been consistently strong and by the looks of things will continue this way. Kilkoo in Down are so hard to beat and a great side. Donegal and Monaghan are usually strong too so in reality Ulster winners are not easily predicted.
Unfortunately IMO the tried and tested will come out on top again with either Glenn or Kilkoo as Ulster winners, I hope i'm wrong. Would love to see someone new make the break through...Carryduff maybe?

Tyrone Clubs have a terrible record in this competition nearly as bad as my own county Cavan.

Is Karl Lacey still over Kilcoo?

Agreed, but they're quality sides and should be doing better. Why do they under perform in Ulster? or maybe that's their level and I think they're better than they actually are.

Tyrone teams aren't able to plan for Ulster, winning Tyrone is a job in itself, tapering and repeat opportunities being big components, if a team in Tyrone won 13 county titles in a row I'm sure they'd have converted a couple to Ulster success, at times in other counties the county champions season was only starting with the first round of Ulster

That Darren Hughes hit on Brannigan surely was a thing of beauty, and the winning of the game

Footnote neither Scotstown or Kilcoo won Ulster last year, so they both must be shite

Nonsense, honestly, who at this stage is 'planning for Ulster' and not fully focused on the county club championship?? While the Tyrone club's have a smattering of top class players, the teams aren't good enough for Ulster. Absolutely nothing to do with having to win Tyrone. Surely straight knock out and far less games has Tyrone teams going into Ulster more tuned into 'battles', while more rested than many?

brokencrossbar1

The likes of Kilcoo and Glen would tailor their training towards Ulster. Not necessarily talked about but in their minds eyes they are. Doesn't mean they are not focusing on the county championship but generally they are capable of winning these while not at full pace. We used to be able to do that but not anymore.

The Tyrone question is annual at this stage. I'm not so sure that it is as hard to win as peoples suggest. The straight knock out is the hardest part of it. The irony is that we were at our most dominant when Armagh was straight knock out. I just think that all the teams from top intermediate straight through to senior winners are at a similar level. Each capable of winning on any given day and each liable to lose. It's just very even.