9/11 What really happened to WT7?

[Eamonnca1]

If you intended to bring down the buildings using controlled explosions why not simply drive a large truck into the underground car park with a bomb and use it as a decoy. Covering up one form of demolition by using a completely different method i.e. flying a plane into the building seems overly complex.   

Because they already tried something similar eight years before and it didn't work.

1993 World Trade Center bombing

The tinfoil hat crowd would simply point to the 1993 bombings and say it couldn't have worked.

[LeoMc]

WT7 collapsed, because guess  what, they hadn't decided to drop half a building on it, and have internal fire rage through it, to test if it take such damage. Just like a bad fire at Grenfell highlighted a material deficient. Never understood why rainscreen cladding hadn't External fire breaks outside floor levels anyway

So half a building falling on World Trade Center 7 was the main cause of the collapse, a 10 second collapse into its own footprint. I presume you are talking about one of WTC 1 or 2 being the instigator. That is 55 floors falling on top of WTC 7, have you video evidence of this? The official lie didn't even come up with that one.

It didn't collapse onto its own footprint. Debris was spread across a wide area. The surrounding buildings all took damage, some more than others. Building 7 was damaged enough to cause a structural failure.

Go get a hobby.

Normal protective measures could not be used as with regular controlled demolitions. Have you ever witnessed a controlled demolition of a high rise building take place? Also nanotechnology was in play (my opinion Ripple Technology, not the crypto), this explains the tons of steel flying through air and tons of concrete pulverized. Massive steel beams turned to molten lasting for months. I can speak of the steel structure and the 4 inch thickness of fireproofing surrounding each beam and gilder along with the rebar reinforced tons of concrete in WTC 7. I was a first hand witness as I worked in the construction of the building from early September 1985 to the topping off in early 1987. I was one of the first people on site after the completion of the foundation. Out of curiosity I tested the fireproofing with an oxygen acetylene torch which I'm very adept at. Barely a spark bounced off. When WTC 7 came down in 10 or so seconds I instantly know that America was attacked from within.  NIST's final conclusion was that WTC 7 collapsed due to fires, what a load of crap.

Ah ripple Nonotechnology, not crypto nanotechnology. Now I'm convinced.

[GTP]

If you intended to bring down the buildings using controlled explosions why not simply drive a large truck into the underground car park with a bomb and use it as a decoy. Covering up one form of demolition by using a completely different method i.e. flying a plane into the building seems overly complex.   

Because they already tried something similar eight years before and it didn't work.

1993 World Trade Center bombing

The tinfoil hat crowd would simply point to the 1993 bombings and say it couldn't have worked.

Forgot about that you could nearly believe that terrorists learned from this attack and came up with something more deadly for 9/11.

[Milltown Row2]

If you intended to bring down the buildings using controlled explosions why not simply drive a large truck into the underground car park with a bomb and use it as a decoy. Covering up one form of demolition by using a completely different method i.e. flying a plane into the building seems overly complex.   

Because they already tried something similar eight years before and it didn't work.

1993 World Trade Center bombing

The tinfoil hat crowd would simply point to the 1993 bombings and say it couldn't have worked.

Forgot about that you could nearly believe that terrorists learned from this attack and came up with something more deadly for 9/11.

Was at and up the WT Center that summer, security was tight getting in but I told the security it's ok, I'm from Belfast 

Did notice some Jews with clipboards cameras and timer's hanging out of their shawls

[theskull1]

This anti semite thought Israel got away with cold blooded murder.

Robert McNamara supported the conclusion (taking the word of the attackers rather than those on the ship) that the attack of USS Liberty was not intentional

[johnnycool]

911 conspiracy theories aside what I find strangest is that they went and invaded Afghanistan when all along these lads were almost to a man Saudis...Hardline Wahhabi Islamists.

Why not invade Saudi Arabia?

[J70]

911 conspiracy theories aside what I find strangest is that they went and invaded Afghanistan when all along these lads were almost to a man Saudis...Hardline Wahhabi Islamists.

Why not invade Saudi Arabia?

I guess the logic was that the hijackers were affiliated with Al Qaeda, who were hosted by the Taliban, not the Saudi government.

And then you obviously throw in the oil market and the ties between certain Saudis and certain Americans.

The Afghan war is not seen as controversial in the US.

The Iraq war now is, including, ironically, by much of the right, despite them using it as a massive electoral and cultural cudgel against the left for 15 years. Remember freedom fries, Hans Blix, "cheese-eating surrender monkeys" (the French), John Kerry "looks French" (I shit you not - Fox News was pushing this). The utter hatred directed towards the Dixie Chicks, Michael Moore, Cindy Sheehan etc?

Makes you wonder if they'll look back with regret at Trump by the time we get to 2040. Although I'm not sure any of them actually "regret" their rhetoric and conduct concerning the Iraq war.

[Gabriel_Hurl]

I'm with Seamus

Who was it asked about the biggest tinfoil hat wearer?

[Milltown Row2]

There's a cracking documentary on Netflix at the minute

Turning point the bomb and Cold War

Of course there will be certain views people will look at and rubbish it but I find it more informative that stuff I've read or seen before.

I'm up to the mid 60's at the minute.

It's understandable why there is a tin hat brigade out there because most espionage during that time was misinformation.

That said I still can't see that imaginary planes were missiles disguised as planes were used to bring down the Towers

[nrico2006]

911 conspiracy theories aside what I find strangest is that they went and invaded Afghanistan when all along these lads were almost to a man Saudis...Hardline Wahhabi Islamists.

Why not invade Saudi Arabia?

Or Iraq.

[Simon OParlon]

911 conspiracy theories aside what I find strangest is that they went and invaded Afghanistan when all along these lads were almost to a man Saudis...Hardline Wahhabi Islamists.

Why not invade Saudi Arabia?

I guess the logic was that the hijackers were affiliated with Al Qaeda, who were hosted by the Taliban, not the Saudi government.

And then you obviously throw in the oil market and the ties between certain Saudis and certain Americans.

The Afghan war is not seen as controversial in the US.

The Iraq war now is, including, ironically, by much of the right, despite them using it as a massive electoral and cultural cudgel against the left for 15 years. Remember freedom fries, Hans Blix, "cheese-eating surrender monkeys" (the French), John Kerry "looks French" (I shit you not - Fox News was pushing this). The utter hatred directed towards the Dixie Chicks, Michael Moore, Cindy Sheehan etc?

Makes you wonder if they'll look back with regret at Trump by the time we get to 2040. Although I'm not sure any of them actually "regret" their rhetoric and conduct concerning the Iraq war.

I remember all that back then. Freedom fries - absolutely nuts.

[johnnycool]

911 conspiracy theories aside what I find strangest is that they went and invaded Afghanistan when all along these lads were almost to a man Saudis...Hardline Wahhabi Islamists.

Why not invade Saudi Arabia?

I guess the logic was that the hijackers were affiliated with Al Qaeda, who were hosted by the Taliban, not the Saudi government.

And then you obviously throw in the oil market and the ties between certain Saudis and certain Americans.

The Afghan war is not seen as controversial in the US.

The Iraq war now is, including, ironically, by much of the right, despite them using it as a massive electoral and cultural cudgel against the left for 15 years. Remember freedom fries, Hans Blix, "cheese-eating surrender monkeys" (the French), John Kerry "looks French" (I shit you not - Fox News was pushing this). The utter hatred directed towards the Dixie Chicks, Michael Moore, Cindy Sheehan etc?

Makes you wonder if they'll look back with regret at Trump by the time we get to 2040. Although I'm not sure any of them actually "regret" their rhetoric and conduct concerning the Iraq war.

I remember all that back then. Freedom fries - absolutely nuts.

Al Qaeda where the remnants of the Mujahedeen, the US backed to the balls with guns and training during the Russian invasion of Afghanistan and were as much based in Pakistan as Afghanistan and once again heavily reliant on Saudi recruits. Guess which one has a nuclear arsenal?

If I was Iran or Iraq I'd be busting my balls to get my hands on nuclear weapons too.

Bin Laden himself is from one of the richest families in Saudi, owners of Bin Telecoms, who the likes of Bechtel (very large US Engineering firm) did a lot of work with. The Bin Ladens were and probably still are major shareholders in Lockhead Martin, purveyors of fine death instruments.

Ever think you're getting played?

[AustinPowers]

911 conspiracy theories aside what I find strangest is that they went and invaded Afghanistan when all along these lads were almost to a man Saudis...Hardline Wahhabi Islamists.

Why not invade Saudi Arabia?

I guess the logic was that the hijackers were affiliated with Al Qaeda, who were hosted by the Taliban, not the Saudi government.

And then you obviously throw in the oil market and the ties between certain Saudis and certain Americans.

The Afghan war is not seen as controversial in the US.

The Iraq war now is, including, ironically, by much of the right, despite them using it as a massive electoral and cultural cudgel against the left for 15 years. Remember freedom fries, Hans Blix, "cheese-eating surrender monkeys" (the French), John Kerry "looks French" (I shit you not - Fox News was pushing this). The utter hatred directed towards the Dixie Chicks, Michael Moore, Cindy Sheehan etc?

Makes you wonder if they'll look back with regret at Trump by the time we get to 2040. Although I'm not sure any of them actually "regret" their rhetoric and conduct concerning the Iraq war.

I remember all that back then. Freedom fries - absolutely nuts.

Al Qaeda where the remnants of the Mujahedeen, the US backed to the balls with guns and training during the Russian invasion of Afghanistan and were as much based in Pakistan as Afghanistan and once again heavily reliant on Saudi recruits. Guess which one has a nuclear arsenal?

If I was Iran or Iraq I'd be busting my balls to get my hands on nuclear weapons too.

Bin Laden himself is from one of the richest families in Saudi, owners of Bin Telecoms, who the likes of Bechtel (very large US Engineering firm) did a lot of work with. The Bin Ladens were and probably still are major shareholders in Lockhead Martin, purveyors of fine death instruments.

Ever think you're getting played?

Every hour  of every day we're being played

Another thing ,  didn't the US (and many others)  boycott  the Moscow Olympics because Russia invaded Afghanistan? 

Funny, I don't remember  anyone boycotting world cups or  Olympics  after the US led invasions of Afghanistan in 2001 (or Iraq in 2003)

[J70]

911 conspiracy theories aside what I find strangest is that they went and invaded Afghanistan when all along these lads were almost to a man Saudis...Hardline Wahhabi Islamists.

Why not invade Saudi Arabia?

I guess the logic was that the hijackers were affiliated with Al Qaeda, who were hosted by the Taliban, not the Saudi government.

And then you obviously throw in the oil market and the ties between certain Saudis and certain Americans.

The Afghan war is not seen as controversial in the US.

The Iraq war now is, including, ironically, by much of the right, despite them using it as a massive electoral and cultural cudgel against the left for 15 years. Remember freedom fries, Hans Blix, "cheese-eating surrender monkeys" (the French), John Kerry "looks French" (I shit you not - Fox News was pushing this). The utter hatred directed towards the Dixie Chicks, Michael Moore, Cindy Sheehan etc?

Makes you wonder if they'll look back with regret at Trump by the time we get to 2040. Although I'm not sure any of them actually "regret" their rhetoric and conduct concerning the Iraq war.

I remember all that back then. Freedom fries - absolutely nuts.

Al Qaeda where the remnants of the Mujahedeen, the US backed to the balls with guns and training during the Russian invasion of Afghanistan and were as much based in Pakistan as Afghanistan and once again heavily reliant on Saudi recruits. Guess which one has a nuclear arsenal?

If I was Iran or Iraq I'd be busting my balls to get my hands on nuclear weapons too.

Bin Laden himself is from one of the richest families in Saudi, owners of Bin Telecoms, who the likes of Bechtel (very large US Engineering firm) did a lot of work with. The Bin Ladens were and probably still are major shareholders in Lockhead Martin, purveyors of fine death instruments.

Ever think you're getting played?

Every hour  of every day we're being played

Another thing ,  didn't the US (and many others)  boycott  the Moscow Olympics because Russia invaded Afghanistan? 

Funny, I don't remember  anyone boycotting world cups or  Olympics  after the US led invasions of Afghanistan in 2001 (or Iraq in 2003)

Why did the Soviets invade Afghanistan?

There was little opposition to the US invasion of Afghanistan. After 9/11, it was mostly seen as justified as it was a safe haven for Al Qaeda. The 2002 Winter Olympics in Utah were not controversial for that reason.

Iraq... the likes of Blair went along with the weapons of mass destruction nonsense, but there was a huge amount of popular opposition and protests around the world, unlike the Afghan war.

But none of the Olympics or WC of that period were held in the US.

[RedHand88]

911 conspiracy theories aside what I find strangest is that they went and invaded Afghanistan when all along these lads were almost to a man Saudis...Hardline Wahhabi Islamists.

Why not invade Saudi Arabia?

I guess the logic was that the hijackers were affiliated with Al Qaeda, who were hosted by the Taliban, not the Saudi government.

And then you obviously throw in the oil market and the ties between certain Saudis and certain Americans.

The Afghan war is not seen as controversial in the US.

The Iraq war now is, including, ironically, by much of the right, despite them using it as a massive electoral and cultural cudgel against the left for 15 years. Remember freedom fries, Hans Blix, "cheese-eating surrender monkeys" (the French), John Kerry "looks French" (I shit you not - Fox News was pushing this). The utter hatred directed towards the Dixie Chicks, Michael Moore, Cindy Sheehan etc?

Makes you wonder if they'll look back with regret at Trump by the time we get to 2040. Although I'm not sure any of them actually "regret" their rhetoric and conduct concerning the Iraq war.

I remember all that back then. Freedom fries - absolutely nuts.

It was a strange time.