Sam Maguire 2024 Group 1 - Galway, Armagh, Derry, Westmeath

[statto]

I dont know what to think about yesterdays games I think I have seen the whole range of interpretations.

Some feel Galway dominated, were brilliant and should have won by 5 or 6

Some feel Armagh were poor but were always competitive (level after 30 minutes) got screwed over by the referee etc

Some thought the system let Armagh down badly whilst others felt it allowed them not to panic, trust the system and claw back into the game.

Some thought Soupy was poor whilst I thought he was excellent.

Obviously all the contradictory opinions cant be correct.

For what its worth I thought Armagh were listless and possibly over trained in the first half but were much improved second half.  I thought Galway were ok but lacked a real cutting edge probably due to injuries.  I thought Hurson was very poor and thought the result was a fair enough one.  I thought at times they were to systemic to their own detriment (the minutes before the Galway 12 went off bring a prime example)

I think both teams have lots of room to improve and will cause trouble for other teams but wont win Sam.  Hope I am wrong

I think we left a few points behind in the first half. Snatched at shots we would t normally do. Some bad misses. They go over and we probably go in level or 1/2 ahead at the break. Does that change the narrative?

Absolutely and I can remember thinking at the time we'd regret those poor wides when we had the wind, McElroys in particular was a handy chance enough and there were definitely more. I felt at the time we sat off Galway too much who to credit them are very good at keeping the ball and creating those shooting opportunities, they were almost always able to get a shot off or draw a free in the first half. Maybe if we'd pushed out too much we'd have been open for goal chances, who knows 

Crealey and Kelly also had wides that you would expect them to get.  Armagh were not as aggressive on the kickouts in first half with the wind advantage and this allowed Galway to play the game on their terms.  When they went aggressively after Gleeson in second half they got their rewards. 

I thought Armagh were defensively poor in the tackle in the first half and giving away frees not defending the dee well gave Galway a foothold in the game. 

I would like to see Oisin O'Neill get more than 7 minutes the next day really tried to control the game when came on and nine times out of ten makes the right decision on the ball. 

[Applesisapples]

I couldn't help but notice the difference between the two refs on Sunday. Hudson penalised Armagh in particular for crowding out defenders whilst McNally I think it was allowed both Dublin and Mayo away with it.

[illdecide]

Right, I've been thinking about this for a long time and would like your honest opinions. I know there is quite a few soccer men on here too so the topic is "Warm-ups".
GAA warm-up are so long and intense, I've been part of them and you're bollixed after the warm-up. I get the theory that as soon as that size 5 is thrown in you're ready to do battle and you have your 2nd wind etc etc.
Soccer warm-ups are a lot less frantic and seem to be half and three quarter pace with stretching and basically limbering up.
I know there is so much data out there for both sides so why the two complete different warm-ups?. I know they're different sports and different types of running and more impact etc etc but do we GAA players do too excessive warm-ups?. I think we do

[Wildweasel74]

Don't understand the heavy warm ups myself, your basically using up alot of energy, that would mean. u last longer in a game.

[clonian]

Right, I've been thinking about this for a long time and would like your honest opinions. I know there is quite a few soccer men on here too so the topic is "Warm-ups".
GAA warm-up are so long and intense, I've been part of them and you're bollixed after the warm-up. I get the theory that as soon as that size 5 is thrown in you're ready to do battle and you have your 2nd wind etc etc.
Soccer warm-ups are a lot less frantic and seem to be half and three quarter pace with stretching and basically limbering up.
I know there is so much data out there for both sides so why the two complete different warm-ups?. I know they're different sports and different types of running and more impact etc etc but do we GAA players do too excessive warm-ups?. I think we do

There was a twitter thread on this a while ago. There's no science behind the GAA warm up as far as anyone could find. Most likely a coach started it with a good team and because they were going well it was copied.
There was a few coaches on it that had reduced the warm up time drastically and they said the results were just the same. Some teams are knocking the shite out of each other in the warm up too.

I'm pretty sure there's an article on it but I can't remember what outlet it was on. Could've been in Gaelic Life

[HiMucker]

Right, I've been thinking about this for a long time and would like your honest opinions. I know there is quite a few soccer men on here too so the topic is "Warm-ups".
GAA warm-up are so long and intense, I've been part of them and you're bollixed after the warm-up. I get the theory that as soon as that size 5 is thrown in you're ready to do battle and you have your 2nd wind etc etc.
Soccer warm-ups are a lot less frantic and seem to be half and three quarter pace with stretching and basically limbering up.
I know there is so much data out there for both sides so why the two complete different warm-ups?. I know they're different sports and different types of running and more impact etc etc but do we GAA players do too excessive warm-ups?. I think we do

There was a twitter thread on this a while ago. There's no science behind the GAA warm up as far as anyone could find. Most likely a coach started it with a good team and because they were going well it was copied.
There was a few coaches on it that had reduced the warm up time drastically and they said the results were just the same. Some teams are knocking the shite out of each other in the warm up too.

I'm pretty sure there's an article on it but I can't remember what outlet it was on. Could've been in Gaelic Life

Pirlo summed it up best when he said "Warm ups are masturbation sessions for strength and conditioning coaches"

[naka]

When i played the warm up was shots at the goal keeper
 

[Brendan]

When i played the warm up was shots at the goal keeper
 

Most reserve teams still take that approach

[clonian]

When i played the warm up was shots at the goal keeper
 

Most reserve teams still take that approach

As a reserve keeper until lately I thought that was too much warming up for me towards the end of my career

[illdecide]

When i played the warm up was shots at the goal keeper
 

Did they still have the lace in the ball?

[naka]

When i played the warm up was shots at the goal keeper
 

Did they still have the lace in the ball?

now now
the 1990s were when pure football was played
kick the ball as far as possible, no need for solos
and when losing no matter what substitute the corner forwards

[imtommygunn]

and when losing no matter what substitute the corner forwards

 

so true 

[twohands!!!]

Right, I've been thinking about this for a long time and would like your honest opinions. I know there is quite a few soccer men on here too so the topic is "Warm-ups".
GAA warm-up are so long and intense, I've been part of them and you're bollixed after the warm-up. I get the theory that as soon as that size 5 is thrown in you're ready to do battle and you have your 2nd wind etc etc.
Soccer warm-ups are a lot less frantic and seem to be half and three quarter pace with stretching and basically limbering up.
I know there is so much data out there for both sides so why the two complete different warm-ups?. I know they're different sports and different types of running and more impact etc etc but do we GAA players do too excessive warm-ups?. I think we do

I've long thought that having the same intensity one size fits all warm-up for every single player can't possibly be the best way - it's really puzzling when you see starters and subs going at the same pace given most of the subs aren't going to be called into action and for those who are called into action it's likely to be an hour before they get on the field.

[David McKeown]

I dont know what to think about yesterdays games I think I have seen the whole range of interpretations.

Some feel Galway dominated, were brilliant and should have won by 5 or 6

Some feel Armagh were poor but were always competitive (level after 30 minutes) got screwed over by the referee etc

Some thought the system let Armagh down badly whilst others felt it allowed them not to panic, trust the system and claw back into the game.

Some thought Soupy was poor whilst I thought he was excellent.

Obviously all the contradictory opinions cant be correct.

For what its worth I thought Armagh were listless and possibly over trained in the first half but were much improved second half.  I thought Galway were ok but lacked a real cutting edge probably due to injuries.  I thought Hurson was very poor and thought the result was a fair enough one.  I thought at times they were to systemic to their own detriment (the minutes before the Galway 12 went off bring a prime example)

I think both teams have lots of room to improve and will cause trouble for other teams but wont win Sam.  Hope I am wrong

I think we left a few points behind in the first half. Snatched at shots we would t normally do. Some bad misses. They go over and we probably go in level or 1/2 ahead at the break. Does that change the narrative?

Absolutely and I can remember thinking at the time we'd regret those poor wides when we had the wind, McElroys in particular was a handy chance enough and there were definitely more. I felt at the time we sat off Galway too much who to credit them are very good at keeping the ball and creating those shooting opportunities, they were almost always able to get a shot off or draw a free in the first half. Maybe if we'd pushed out too much we'd have been open for goal chances, who knows 

Crealey and Kelly also had wides that you would expect them to get.  Armagh were not as aggressive on the kickouts in first half with the wind advantage and this allowed Galway to play the game on their terms.  When they went aggressively after Gleeson in second half they got their rewards. 

I thought Armagh were defensively poor in the tackle in the first half and giving away frees not defending the dee well gave Galway a foothold in the game. 

I would like to see Oisin O'Neill get more than 7 minutes the next day really tried to control the game when came on and nine times out of ten makes the right decision on the ball. 

I also thought that Armagh were poor in the tackle on Sunday which was in stark contrast to how they performed against Derry in the tackle.

Strangely the analytics report was that Armagh were incredibly good at defending the D but poor at defending quick switches of play.

As for O'Neill I think he's better as a late sub and lacks the mobility necessary to start.

[johnnycool]

Right, I've been thinking about this for a long time and would like your honest opinions. I know there is quite a few soccer men on here too so the topic is "Warm-ups".
GAA warm-up are so long and intense, I've been part of them and you're bollixed after the warm-up. I get the theory that as soon as that size 5 is thrown in you're ready to do battle and you have your 2nd wind etc etc.
Soccer warm-ups are a lot less frantic and seem to be half and three quarter pace with stretching and basically limbering up.
I know there is so much data out there for both sides so why the two complete different warm-ups?. I know they're different sports and different types of running and more impact etc etc but do we GAA players do too excessive warm-ups?. I think we do

We'd a few lads down at the Munster final and the warm-ups contrast between Clare and Limerick were allegedly like night and day.

Clare were all into short sided games with loads of physical contact, off loading and high intensity for quite a while. 3v3, 4v3's and even 5v3's etc etc whilst Limerick concentrated on longer striking, and movement across the whole width of the pitch.

I think there's too much read into them TBH although you do need a strenuous enough warm up to get to the pitch of the game type speed but enough time between that and throw in to recover and get your head right which can be far more important.