Hurling 2024

[johnnycool]

Kyle Hayes starts for Limerick against the Dubs this weekend, a month before his sentencing trial...

Do Limerick know something the rest of us don't?

[yellowcard]

Kyle Hayes starts for Limerick against the Dubs this weekend, a month before his sentencing trial...

Do Limerick know something the rest of us don't?

I wouldn't read too much into it. It's just John Kiely trying to create a siege mentality from within and he is firmly backing his player. Rightly or wrongly but he's stuck his neck on the block for Hayes. 

[seafoid]

Kyle Hayes starts for Limerick against the Dubs this weekend, a month before his sentencing trial...

Do Limerick know something the rest of us don't?

I wouldn't read too much into it. It's just John Kiely trying to create a siege mentality from within and he is firmly backing his player. Rightly or wrongly but he's stuck his neck on the block for Hayes. 

Probably wrongly

[yellowcard]

Kyle Hayes starts for Limerick against the Dubs this weekend, a month before his sentencing trial...

Do Limerick know something the rest of us don't?

I wouldn't read too much into it. It's just John Kiely trying to create a siege mentality from within and he is firmly backing his player. Rightly or wrongly but he's stuck his neck on the block for Hayes. 

Probably wrongly

Many will hold that view but Kiely either believes in his innocence or he has decided to completely ignore any off the field misconduct because he sees Hayes' value to this Limerick team as being greater than any moralistic standpojnt.

If Hayes was a fringe player I'm not sure he would have thought it worth the media scrutiny of deciding to play him in a League game in February. If Hayes walks free an innocent man and helps Limerick create history to win 5 in a row Kiely will feel vindicated in standing by his player.   

[johnnycool]

Kyle Hayes starts for Limerick against the Dubs this weekend, a month before his sentencing trial...

Do Limerick know something the rest of us don't?

I wouldn't read too much into it. It's just John Kiely trying to create a siege mentality from within and he is firmly backing his player. Rightly or wrongly but he's stuck his neck on the block for Hayes. 

Probably wrongly

Many will hold that view but Kiely either believes in his innocence or he has decided to completely ignore any off the field misconduct because he sees Hayes' value to this Limerick team as being greater than any moralistic standpojnt.

If Hayes was a fringe player I'm not sure he would have thought it worth the media scrutiny of deciding to play him in a League game in February. If Hayes walks free an innocent man and helps Limerick create history to win 5 in a row Kiely will feel vindicated in standing by his player.   

He's been found guilty of violent disorder in a court of law, Kiely can believe all he likes, but that's the fact. All we're waiting on is his sentencing

[Blowitupref]

Kyle Hayes starts for Limerick against the Dubs this weekend, a month before his sentencing trial...

Do Limerick know something the rest of us don't?

I wouldn't read too much into it. It's just John Kiely trying to create a siege mentality from within and he is firmly backing his player. Rightly or wrongly but he's stuck his neck on the block for Hayes. 

Probably wrongly

Many will hold that view but Kiely either believes in his innocence or he has decided to completely ignore any off the field misconduct because he sees Hayes' value to this Limerick team as being greater than any moralistic standpojnt.

If Hayes was a fringe player I'm not sure he would have thought it worth the media scrutiny of deciding to play him in a League game in February. If Hayes walks free an innocent man and helps Limerick create history to win 5 in a row Kiely will feel vindicated in standing by his player.   

He's been found guilty of violent disorder in a court of law, Kiely can believe all he likes, but that's the fact. All we're waiting on is his sentencing

It's not a good look for Kiely at all.

[seafoid]

Who introduced the short hurls to the game? It seems to have happened between the 2020 all ireland and the 2021 final. Was it Limerick ?

2020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qRfeHtqpxw

2021
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0rzgUeFv4Y

Marty Mallon in Down was playing with a 32" hurl in the 90's. Everyone else was hammering away with 36 and 37" hurls at that time.

I was watching a camogie match today. The curse of the rucks. There is no ground hurling any more. This has been replaced by rucks thanks to the short hurls.

[SaffronSports]

Who introduced the short hurls to the game? It seems to have happened between the 2020 all ireland and the 2021 final. Was it Limerick ?

2020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qRfeHtqpxw

2021
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0rzgUeFv4Y

Marty Mallon in Down was playing with a 32" hurl in the 90's. Everyone else was hammering away with 36 and 37" hurls at that time.

I was watching a camogie match today. The curse of the rucks. There is no ground hurling any more. This has been replaced by rucks thanks to the short hurls.

I was at a school match last week and noticed some of the short hurls. Seriously reduces how far the lads can hit it but I suppose it's maybe better for control etc but on a heavy pitch it didn't really improve the quality of the game.

[didlyi]

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I was watching a camogie match today. The curse of the rucks. There is no ground hurling any more. This has been replaced by rucks thanks to the short hurls.
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Players emerging from rucks with one hand up around the bas and the other hand holding the ball. You know from this stance that their first intention is to offload a handpass and they nearly always do. The reward for winning a ruck is too big and hence the rucks get bigger and bigger. We have endless threads on how to solve problems in Gaelic Football yet we are happy for hurling to follow it down the same old handpassing hole. Handpassing is the primary problem and rucks are secondary.

[seafoid]

Huge rucks are a very recent development in the game. Ground hurling was much more efficient

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eM5-r5tG3Y

[didlyi]

The rucks developed over the last 10 years as did the over use of the throw like handpass. So theres a relationship there. And sure the lack of ground hurling makes rucks more likely but ground hurling has been in decline for 30 years. The way hurling is going the hurl will be used less and the hand even more.

[Milltown Row2]

There's nothing efficient about ground hurling over striking ball from hand or distributing the ball for a pass.

Hurling is a possession game now, controlling the ball allows the team with most possession more chances to win...

At club games you'll still get the Hail Marys coming outta defence but as a forward you'd much prefer a short puc out the wing in space.

Ruck's development would be hard to figure out in terms of changing the dynamic of the game.

[seafoid]

There's nothing efficient about ground hurling over striking ball from hand or distributing the ball for a pass.

Hurling is a possession game now, controlling the ball allows the team with most possession more chances to win...

At club games you'll still get the Hail Marys coming outta defence but as a forward you'd much prefer a short puc out the wing in space.

Ruck's development would be hard to figure out in terms of changing the dynamic of the game.

Hurling never stays still. 20 years ago there was the running game of Cork. then Kilkenny introuced stickwork and intensity, Galway and Tipp followed up with the use of space. Limerick brought possession  Something else will replace that .

[didlyi]

There's nothing efficient about ground hurling over striking ball from hand or distributing the ball for a pass.

Hurling is a possession game now, controlling the ball allows the team with most possession more chances to win...

At club games you'll still get the Hail Marys coming outta defence but as a forward you'd much prefer a short puc out the wing in space.

Ruck's development would be hard to figure out in terms of changing the dynamic of the game.

Yes of course its a possession game. But that doesnt mean we should take every opportunity including breaking the rules to make possession easier for players.
Why does a players who wins possession in an ugly ruck surrounded by 10 players have the right to throw the ball out to a player outside the ruck. So they can maintain possession?
Why do todays players run straight into contact with the ball knowing they will either be fouled or offload with a throw handpass?
Why do players take the extra steps trying to offload a handpass getting the benefit of the steps rule simply because they are being fouled with spare hands to prevent the offload?
These are all glaring issues with the current possession game. The game doesnt necessarily need to evolve in one direction where we thrive more and more easy possession simply because possession is now king.
A reset is required and it start with implementing rules.

[Milltown Row2]

There's nothing efficient about ground hurling over striking ball from hand or distributing the ball for a pass.

Hurling is a possession game now, controlling the ball allows the team with most possession more chances to win...

At club games you'll still get the Hail Marys coming outta defence but as a forward you'd much prefer a short puc out the wing in space.

Ruck's development would be hard to figure out in terms of changing the dynamic of the game.

Yes of course its a possession game. But that doesnt mean we should take every opportunity including breaking the rules to make possession easier for players.
Why does a players who wins possession in an ugly ruck surrounded by 10 players have the right to throw the ball out to a player outside the ruck. So they can maintain possession?
Why do todays players run straight into contact with the ball knowing they will either be fouled or offload with a throw handpass?
Why do players take the extra steps trying to offload a handpass getting the benefit of the steps rule simply because they are being fouled with spare hands to prevent the offload?
These are all glaring issues with the current possession game. The game doesnt necessarily need to evolve in one direction where we thrive more and more easy possession simply because possession is now king.
A reset is required and it start with implementing rules.

You can only call a throw when you see it.. do you really think the referee allows it?