Noam Chomsky etc

[ThomasMullan]

Is that not the same thing as Israel making out that Oct 7 happened in isolation and there is no context or history. You are setting the perimeter of what can be discussed.

No, discuss anything you like.

I'm simply stating the the 'US always bad' worldview doesn't stack up when they're actually a force for good in Europe empowering smaller, less powerful Eastern European countries' ability to stand up against revanchist, fascist Russia.

The 'Nazis always bad' worldview doesnt stack up when they were actually a force for good in Europe for empowering Aryans.  Context is important I think.

Probably the most ridiculous analogy I've ever read. Desperate stuff.

Perhaps you have some experience of living under Soviet occupation PHP? You think the Lithuanians and the Latvians have it all wrong? Hmm?

[PadraicHenryPearse]

Is that not the same thing as Israel making out that Oct 7 happened in isolation and there is no context or history. You are setting the perimeter of what can be discussed.

No, discuss anything you like.

I'm simply stating the the 'US always bad' worldview doesn't stack up when they're actually a force for good in Europe empowering smaller, less powerful Eastern European countries' ability to stand up against revanchist, fascist Russia.

The 'Nazis always bad' worldview doesnt stack up when they were actually a force for good in Europe for empowering Aryans.  Context is important I think.

Probably the most ridiculous analogy I've ever read. Desperate stuff.

Perhaps you have some experience of living under Soviet occupation PHP? You think the Lithuanians and the Latvians have it all wrong? Hmm?

what's wrong with the analogy, I focused one aspect ignoring all others similar to you?

I have a feeling you got a ban from here not so long ago. I've offered no opinion on Lithuanians or Latvians or their opinions so no clue why you have decide to introduce that into our exchange.

[ThomasMullan]

Is that not the same thing as Israel making out that Oct 7 happened in isolation and there is no context or history. You are setting the perimeter of what can be discussed.

No, discuss anything you like.

I'm simply stating the the 'US always bad' worldview doesn't stack up when they're actually a force for good in Europe empowering smaller, less powerful Eastern European countries' ability to stand up against revanchist, fascist Russia.

The 'Nazis always bad' worldview doesnt stack up when they were actually a force for good in Europe for empowering Aryans.  Context is important I think.

Probably the most ridiculous analogy I've ever read. Desperate stuff.

Perhaps you have some experience of living under Soviet occupation PHP? You think the Lithuanians and the Latvians have it all wrong? Hmm?

what's wrong with the analogy, I focused one aspect ignoring all others similar to you?

I have a feeling you got a ban from here not so long ago. I've offered no opinion on Lithuanians or Latvians or their opinions so no clue why you have decide to introduce that into our exchange.

It's entirely relevant given that you pulled your ridiculous Nazi analogy out of the hat when I mentioned the US/NATO defense of Eastern Europe (as requested by the sovereign governments of those countries) so it wasn't introduced into the exchange.

The US defending Lithuania is similar to Nazi Germany defending imaginary 'Aryans' in your bizarre analogy.

Maybe you'd rather just leave them to their fate with the Russians (again)?

P.s. do you think the US did a good thing helping to broker the GFA in Ireland?

[PadraicHenryPearse]

my analogy was to show you cherry picking something good doesn't give a full picture. Nothing more and nothing less, I even added that context is important to be clearer....

I am also not aware of any poster saying 'US always bad' but you are raging against these non existent posters with your rants, throwing out random questions...

My preference is for peace, and open dialogue and that conflict is avoided. I believe this would be possible if the powerful countries didn't put their self interests ahead of others.

[ThomasMullan]

my analogy was to show you cherry picking something good doesn't give a full picture. Nothing more and nothing less, I even added that context is important to be clearer....

I am also not aware of any poster saying 'US always bad' but you are raging against these non existent posters with your rants, throwing out random questions...

My preference is for peace, and open dialogue and that conflict is avoided. I believe this would be possible if the powerful countries didn't put their self interests ahead of others.

Eh no, all your daft analogy illustrates was that you think because a country does some bad in one region, it's impossible that it's doing some good in another.

Beautiful sentiments regarding peaceful aspirations, do you think they'd stop Russian tanks?

p.s. I just had a wee flick through your posts back to Feb 24th 2022 out of curiosity. It's exactly what I'd expect, ranting about Syria, Afghanistan and Iraq and the West, on the day Russia invaded Ukraine. Wonder what else I'll find there.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

ive over 1000 posts since 2007 on here... knock yourself out.

my analogy just showed taking a narrow view is idiotic, for the 3rd time, nothing else you are reading into it.

my belief is what Russia is doing has been done by the US numerous times and I would prefer everyone is held to the same standards. I believe Russia believes it can do as it wants as the US was doing what it wanted for years without any repercussions. to be clear this comment does not mean 'US always bad'

If done correctly diplomacy can stop Russia tanks

[ThomasMullan]

ive over 1000 posts since 2007 on here... knock yourself out.

my analogy just showed taking a narrow view is idiotic, for the 3rd time, nothing else you are reading into it.

my belief is what Russia is doing has been done by the US numerous times and I would prefer everyone is held to the same standards. I believe Russia believes it can do as it wants as the US was doing what it wanted for years without any repercussions. to be clear this comment does not mean 'US always bad'

If done correctly diplomacy can stop Russia tanks

I think you'll find that Russia needs no lessons from the US or anyone else when it comes to invasion, conquest and utter cruelty. Just a cursory glance at their history confirms this. They've been at it for centuries.

By diplomacy that stops Russian tanks,  do you mean the diplomacy that produced the Budapest Memorandum in 1994 in which Russia is a signatory and a guarantor of Ukrainian sovereignty?
(The US not fulfilling their obligations to Ukraine here either in my opinion).

Or the diplomacy that produced the Russian-Ukrainian friendship treaty 1997?

Or the diplomacy that produced the peace agreement between Russia and Ichkeria? (The mysterious apartment bombings with those infamous bags of sugar used as an excuse to utterly destroy Ichkeria).

Agreements with Russia aren't worth the paper they're written on. And it's amazing you (and Wallace and Daly et al) think you know better than the countries that have suffered under them. They know Russian 'diplomacy' and that's why they want NATO boots on their soil.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

I didn't say they needed lessons.

what is the answer if peace and diplomacy isn't? And I didn't suggest or say diplomacy is easy.

how are you enjoying reading my old posts...

[ThomasMullan]

I didn't say they needed lessons.

what is the answer if peace and diplomacy isn't? And I didn't suggest or say diplomacy is easy.

how are you enjoying reading my old posts...

No you didn't but the jist of your post was that they were copying the US, as if they hadn't already been at it for centuries. Oh look it's that recurring theme, it's the fault of the US again. Your worldview is seriously blinkered.

Diplomacy with Russia doesn't work, they see it as weakness to exploit. Make an agreement, exploit it, break it. They never respected Ukraine's right to be a free sovereign nation with its own destiny. They only understand military force. Ukraine needs to be given what it needs to force them out of their territory.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

you have a habit of reading stuff into posts that isn't written and then making ill informed judgements. 

I think a look in the mirror might show you someone with a blinkered view, some who takes any reference to the US foreign policy as support for Russia.

[Itchy]

You have to laugh, the US is annoyed that Russia is using North Korean bombs against Ukraine but seems to have no issue with Israel using American made bombs and white Phosphor munitions (illegal to use in densely populated areas) against civilians in a genocide in Gaza. American hypocrisy knows no ends.

[ThomasMullan]

you have a habit of reading stuff into posts that isn't written and then making ill informed judgements. 

I think a look in the mirror might show you someone with a blinkered view, some who takes any reference to the US foreign policy as support for Russia.

I'll make it clear for you. You said:

"I believe Russia believes it can do as it wants as the US was doing what it wanted for years without any repercussions."

I then said:

"I think you'll find that Russia needs no lessons from the US or anyone else when it comes to invasion, conquest and utter cruelty."

My response to what you said is accurate and appropriate. You can twist all you like by saying you didn't use the word 'lesson'. It's obvious you have the misguided belief that Russia saw US bad behaviour and thought we'll have a bit of that action. Whereas in the real world, they've already been at it. For centuries. Just ask Ukrainians, Syrians,  Georgians, Moldovans, Ichkerians, Afghans, Lithuanians, Latvians, Poles, Romanians, Estonians, Finns, Crimean Tatars...and on and on. How far back do you want to go?

Do these people even exist to you? How did you come to 'believe' that this is a recent phenomenon using the US as a role model?

[ThomasMullan]

You have to laugh, the US is annoyed that Russia is using North Korean bombs against Ukraine but seems to have no issue with Israel using American made bombs and white Phosphor munitions (illegal to use in densely populated areas) against civilians in a genocide in Gaza. American hypocrisy knows no ends.

Are you outraged that the Israelis are using American made bombs Itchy?

[Itchy]

You have to laugh, the US is annoyed that Russia is using North Korean bombs against Ukraine but seems to have no issue with Israel using American made bombs and white Phosphor munitions (illegal to use in densely populated areas) against civilians in a genocide in Gaza. American hypocrisy knows no ends.

Are you outraged that the Israelis are using American made bombs Itchy?

What are you on abut now? I was pointing out the hypocrisy of America, its quite obvious - its in the last sentence. I am wondering should I just start asking you random questions, you seem to get off on that.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

you have a habit of reading stuff into posts that isn't written and then making ill informed judgements. 

I think a look in the mirror might show you someone with a blinkered view, some who takes any reference to the US foreign policy as support for Russia.

I'll make it clear for you. You said:

"I believe Russia believes it can do as it wants as the US was doing what it wanted for years without any repercussions."

I then said:

"I think you'll find that Russia needs no lessons from the US or anyone else when it comes to invasion, conquest and utter cruelty."

My response to what you said is accurate and appropriate. You can twist all you like by saying you didn't use the word 'lesson'. It's obvious you have the misguided belief that Russia saw US bad behaviour and thought we'll have a bit of that action. Whereas in the real world, they've already been at it. For centuries. Just ask Ukrainians, Syrians,  Georgians, Moldovans, Ichkerians, Afghans, Lithuanians, Latvians, Poles, Romanians, Estonians, Finns, Crimean Tatars...and on and on. How far back do you want to go?

Do these people even exist to you? How did you come to 'believe' that this is a recent phenomenon using the US as a role model?

you have just gone and done it again, reading stuff into posts that isn't written and then making ill informed judgements. After been told you were doing it you have doubled down.

Do these people even exist?

what planet are you on?  where have I claimed its a recent phenomenon? I never used the words 'role model'.

I never said the only reason or the sole reason or the main reason or they used the 'role model'. What I said doesn't support Russian actions or the actions the of the US.