Russia invades Ukraine Feb 2022

[ThereAndBackAgain]

Touch a nerve did I Armagh18?

The easiest example that springs to mind is the article published by Russian state owned media outlet RIA Novosti published on April 3rd 2022 and titled, "What should Russia do with Ukraine". Have a read if it's not too long and hard to follow for your GrayZone addled brain.

Like I said, they aren't even trying to hide it, yet idiots like yourself are still talking pish about NATO.

That was a genuine question. Have you a proper link with quotes from Putin?

Man with genuine question can't be bothered to read an easy to find article online. Google it and read it.

p.s. you won't find it on the Grayzone.

8 posts in 10 years. Headcase.

Completely irrelevant to anything I've said.

[RedHand88]

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Touch a nerve did I Armagh18?

The easiest example that springs to mind is the article published by Russian state owned media outlet RIA Novosti published on April 3rd 2022 and titled, "What should Russia do with Ukraine". Have a read if it's not too long and hard to follow for your GrayZone addled brain.

Like I said, they aren't even trying to hide it, yet idiots like yourself are still talking pish about NATO.

That was a genuine question. Have you a proper link with quotes from Putin?

Man with genuine question can't be bothered to read an easy to find article online. Google it and read it.

p.s. you won't find it on the Grayzone.

8 posts in 10 years. Headcase.

I suspect its a burner account who doesn't want their views associated with their regular account.

[ThereAndBackAgain]

Where is there the suggestion that that article is official Russian policy on Ukraine? Zelensky said it amounted to proof Russia intended to carry out genocide in Ukraine, but now, come on, do you never sniff a bit of hyperbole from Zelensky?! I know it's war, and all, but basically anything he says should be taken with a large pinch of salt, at least.

The proof is in the pudding and the pudding contains military invasion, annexation of territory, destruction of cities involving the deaths of tens if not hundreds of thousands of civilians, massacres of civilians, torture centres in occupied territory, mass rape in occupied territory, 'de-Ukrainisation' in occupied territory, filtration camps, forced deportation of children from occupied territory to Russia. Let's be clear, the aim of Russia is the destruction of the Ukrainian state and the Ukrainian national identity. Complete Russification of Ukraine and that is genocide.

You don't have to listen to anything Zelenskyy says. Russian actions in Ukraine exactly match their genocidal rhetoric.

[ThereAndBackAgain]

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Touch a nerve did I Armagh18?

The easiest example that springs to mind is the article published by Russian state owned media outlet RIA Novosti published on April 3rd 2022 and titled, "What should Russia do with Ukraine". Have a read if it's not too long and hard to follow for your GrayZone addled brain.

Like I said, they aren't even trying to hide it, yet idiots like yourself are still talking pish about NATO.

That was a genuine question. Have you a proper link with quotes from Putin?

Man with genuine question can't be bothered to read an easy to find article online. Google it and read it.

p.s. you won't find it on the Grayzone.

8 posts in 10 years. Headcase.

I suspect its a burner account who doesn't want their views associated with their regular account.

Your suspicions are false and completely irrelevant in any case.

[Hound]

Nicola Tallant's Crime World has an interesting podcast on the Kinahans links to Russia and Iran.  This is the preamble.

Episode 445: The Kinahan Cartel bed down with Russia and Iran in hopes of avoiding extradition to Ireland description

Dapper Don Christy Kinahan Snr and his son Daniel are playing Russian Roulette with Vladimir Putin as the Irish Government make moves to bring them home to face charges.

In an incredible spin of the wheel, they have placed everything on black and have become deeply embedded in the Russian and Iranian regimes offering up their transport routes and South American cocaine suppliers in exchange for sanctuary as their future in the United Arab Emirates looks increasingly bleak.

As Justice Minister Helen McEntee begins the process of setting up an extradition agreement with Dubai we look at the links between the Kinahans and the mafia states they believe may save them.

[Armagh18]

Nicola Tallant's Crime World has an interesting podcast on the Kinahans links to Russia and Iran.  This is the preamble.

Episode 445: The Kinahan Cartel bed down with Russia and Iran in hopes of avoiding extradition to Ireland description

Dapper Don Christy Kinahan Snr and his son Daniel are playing Russian Roulette with Vladimir Putin as the Irish Government make moves to bring them home to face charges.

In an incredible spin of the wheel, they have placed everything on black and have become deeply embedded in the Russian and Iranian regimes offering up their transport routes and South American cocaine suppliers in exchange for sanctuary as their future in the United Arab Emirates looks increasingly bleak.

As Justice Minister Helen McEntee begins the process of setting up an extradition agreement with Dubai we look at the links between the Kinahans and the mafia states they believe may save them.

They're in Iran now allegedly left Dubai was the last rumour?

[ThereAndBackAgain]

Well, you could go back to 2014 with all this, and the western-backed coup then. And what really were their intentions that time? Of course, the invasion was a bit like cracking a nut w/ a sledge-hammer, but as I said earlier in this thread, I believe there was a Turkish-brokered peace-deal on the table very soon afterwards which would have delivered Ukrainian neutrality, and greater "self-rule" for the eastern areas. There was no talk of annexation of these areas (which, in fact, was only done so that Russia could send conscripts there), and no talk of regime change. I understand - from listening to various 'neutral' podcasts - that Zelensky was about to accept this, only the west (and Johnson in particular) talked him out of it with promises of arms, etc. Really, the west was and is pretty gung-ho about all this - very easy when it's not your own population paying in blood.

Some beautiful gems in this thread - 'Western backed coup' - The imaginary peace deal that Johnson apparently torpedoed. You lads would swallow anything.

[ThereAndBackAgain]

no need for a new thread... the inconsistencies couldn't be clearer here.

Did you care when donbass was beening bombed for 8 years?  did these civilians not count. they might be sham but who knows what those regions want, in terms of the populations holding Russian passports it was significant pre war.

 More effort should have been made to fix the issues with the Minsk agreement. I am not suggesting it would not have been complex but it seems to me like not enough effort from the west to prevent war and all efforts now are at prolonging and the suffering of the Ukrainians amd it is not a very high priority to prevent this suffering.

Donbas being bombed for 8 years - turns out if you invade a country with your army they fire missiles back. Who'd have thought.

[PadraicHenryPearse]

no need for a new thread... the inconsistencies couldn't be clearer here.

Did you care when donbass was beening bombed for 8 years?  did these civilians not count. they might be sham but who knows what those regions want, in terms of the populations holding Russian passports it was significant pre war.

 More effort should have been made to fix the issues with the Minsk agreement. I am not suggesting it would not have been complex but it seems to me like not enough effort from the west to prevent war and all efforts now are at prolonging and the suffering of the Ukrainians amd it is not a very high priority to prevent this suffering.

Donbas being bombed for 8 years - turns out if you invade a country with your army they fire missiles back. Who'd have thought.

not so concerned for those citizens of donbass.

[bennydorano]

A US Intelligence report (reported in UK Times today) states that Russia has lost 315,000 men (dead & injured). Loses in personnel & armoured vehicles have set Russian military modernisation back 18 years.

[ThereAndBackAgain]

A US Intelligence report (reported in UK Times today) states that Russia has lost 315,000 men (dead & injured). Loses in personnel & armoured vehicles have set Russian military modernisation back 18 years.

All completely unnecessary. The murdered Russian journalist Anna Politkovskaya put it well when she said:

'Putin, having accidentally got the grip of huge power, disposed of it with catastrophic consequences for Russia. And I don't like him because he doesn't like people. He cannot stand us. He despises us. He believes that we are a means for him, and nothing more. A means to achieve his personal power goals. So he can do everything he wants to us – to play as he pleases. To destroy us at his will. We are nobody. And he, although he accidentally cut in the queue, is now the king and god, whom we must worship and fear.'

[tbrick18]

A US Intelligence report (reported in UK Times today) states that Russia has lost 315,000 men (dead & injured). Loses in personnel & armoured vehicles have set Russian military modernisation back 18 years.

That's devastating.
I genuinely feel for the normal Russian people who are suffering as a result of Putin's war mongering.
Of course the Ukrainians are suffering much more, but there are no winners here no matter what the outcome is.
Given the way this invasion has went and the lack of progress in pushing Russian forces further back, it looks like this is going to be a long term war.
Ukraine need that international support, especially from the US, and it might not come until after the next US election. Without it, Russia may be able to advance. With it, stalemate seems to be the likely outcome.
Ultimately there will have to be a political answer but unfortunately I think that means many more deaths until both sides are willing to concede something.
Russia don't deserve anything but will probably increase their land mass on the back of this invasion.

[ThereAndBackAgain]

A US Intelligence report (reported in UK Times today) states that Russia has lost 315,000 men (dead & injured). Loses in personnel & armoured vehicles have set Russian military modernisation back 18 years.

That's devastating.
I genuinely feel for the normal Russian people who are suffering as a result of Putin's war mongering.
Of course the Ukrainians are suffering much more, but there are no winners here no matter what the outcome is.
Given the way this invasion has went and the lack of progress in pushing Russian forces further back, it looks like this is going to be a long term war.
Ukraine need that international support, especially from the US, and it might not come until after the next US election. Without it, Russia may be able to advance. With it, stalemate seems to be the likely outcome.
Ultimately there will have to be a political answer but unfortunately I think that means many more deaths until both sides are willing to concede something.
Russia don't deserve anything but will probably increase their land mass on the back of this invasion.

A peace deal that involves Ukraine ceding any land to Russia will not only be a great injustice but also won't bring peace, it will merely kick the can down the road as Russia will rebuild it's military and relaunch in 2-3-4 years time. The Minsk Agreements didn't bring peace and neither will some sort of Minsk 3. Russia does not honour peace agreements.

Unfortunately it does look like a stalemate thanks to western dithering over arms and allowing Russia time to build their fortifications. It also looks like the US doesn't want a Ukrainian victory merely a weakened Russia. There can be no other explanation for the slow feed of weapons given the amount of armaments the US is sitting on.

[J70]

A US Intelligence report (reported in UK Times today) states that Russia has lost 315,000 men (dead & injured). Loses in personnel & armoured vehicles have set Russian military modernisation back 18 years.

That's devastating.
I genuinely feel for the normal Russian people who are suffering as a result of Putin's war mongering.
Of course the Ukrainians are suffering much more, but there are no winners here no matter what the outcome is.
Given the way this invasion has went and the lack of progress in pushing Russian forces further back, it looks like this is going to be a long term war.
Ukraine need that international support, especially from the US, and it might not come until after the next US election. Without it, Russia may be able to advance. With it, stalemate seems to be the likely outcome.
Ultimately there will have to be a political answer but unfortunately I think that means many more deaths until both sides are willing to concede something.
Russia don't deserve anything but will probably increase their land mass on the back of this invasion.

A peace deal that involves Ukraine ceding any land to Russia will not only be a great injustice but also won't bring peace, it will merely kick the can down the road as Russia will rebuild it's military and relaunch in 2-3-4 years time. The Minsk Agreements didn't bring peace and neither will some sort of Minsk 3. Russia does not honour peace agreements.

Unfortunately it does look like a stalemate thanks to western dithering over arms and allowing Russia time to build their fortifications. It also looks like the US doesn't want a Ukrainian victory merely a weakened Russia. There can be no other explanation for the slow feed of weapons given the amount of armaments the US is sitting on.

Unfortunately, large elements of one of the two major US political parties are pro-Putin and anti-Ukraine. The overall party is taking advantage of that to use funding as a political weapon to get concessions from Biden on other issues. In the meantime, Zelensky has to wait, despite another visit to Washington this week.

[Wildweasel74]

Thats more than Russia lost in Afghanistan, and other uprisings since WW2.its funny on US complaining about funding the Ukraine, when guns and heavy weapons are Coming out of their ears in that country.