Ulster Club SFC 2023

Started by general_lee, September 26, 2023, 11:59:46 AM

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statto

Quote from: Armagh18 on October 23, 2023, 10:57:25 AM
Quote from: general_lee on October 23, 2023, 08:38:32 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 22, 2023, 08:46:52 PM
Quote from: marty34 on October 22, 2023, 08:23:30 PMMost county's seem to have 1 strong team who seem to be a cut above the rest, Cargin, Glen, NC and Cross etc.


Clann Eireann (who Clan Na Gael beat in the semi)probably would have given Cross a better game today
Clann Eireann probably would have won the semi had they kept 15 men on the field and you could argue Clans probably would have gave Cross a better game had they done likewise.
Think there was only 3 in it by time the black card period was over, Cross pulled away after that. Far too physical which was to be expected against a very young Clans side

Think the ref missed a clear black card in the first half when Oisin O'Neill was taken down when was braking through.  Callum Comiskey did a great job on Campbell in both the group game and again yesterday.

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Quote from: bennydorano on October 23, 2023, 12:07:29 PMAre Cross missing anybody other than James Morgan? I'd fear for that defence against Tyrone champs.
Caolan Finnegan would be a upgrade in the forward line think he may be a long term injury.  Ronan Fitzpatrick who came on near end yesterday outside of that think that was their full deck. 

statto

Quote from: Armagh18 on October 23, 2023, 10:57:25 AM
Quote from: general_lee on October 23, 2023, 08:38:32 AM
Quote from: Armagh18 on October 22, 2023, 08:46:52 PM
Quote from: marty34 on October 22, 2023, 08:23:30 PMMost county's seem to have 1 strong team who seem to be a cut above the rest, Cargin, Glen, NC and Cross etc.


Clann Eireann (who Clan Na Gael beat in the semi)probably would have given Cross a better game today
Clann Eireann probably would have won the semi had they kept 15 men on the field and you could argue Clans probably would have gave Cross a better game had they done likewise.
Think there was only 3 in it by time the black card period was over, Cross pulled away after that. Far too physical which was to be expected against a very young Clans side
Clan Na Gael must went nearly 25 minutes after the goal without a score.  Once the goal went in Cross seemed to realise they needed to kick into gear.  Two disappointing county finals in a row now unfortunately after a few good ones prior to that. 

Milltown Row2

Errigal Ciaran would be my tip this year, I know, Tyrone teams not great at Ulster level but Errigal have pedigree and that counts for something.

None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

Armagh18

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 23, 2023, 02:56:30 PMErrigal Ciaran would be my tip this year, I know, Tyrone teams not great at Ulster level but Errigal have pedigree and that counts for something.


really good side but I fancy Cross to take them, they're overdue a run in Ulster. 2 O'Neills added to the team from last year and new management that should be abit cuter in a defensive sense. Can't see past Glen or Kilcoo for the whole thing though

statto

Quote from: Armagh18 on October 23, 2023, 03:03:16 PM
Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 23, 2023, 02:56:30 PMErrigal Ciaran would be my tip this year, I know, Tyrone teams not great at Ulster level but Errigal have pedigree and that counts for something.


really good side but I fancy Cross to take them, they're overdue a run in Ulster. 2 O'Neills added to the team from last year and new management that should be abit cuter in a defensive sense. Can't see past Glen or Kilcoo for the whole thing though
Think its a bit early to be pinning hope on Aaron O'Neill after a half of championship football which was largely uncompetitive. 

general_lee

Cross will struggle against Errigal Ciaran. They won't get the time or space that they got yesterday in the Athletic Grounds.

bennydorano

Cross have plenty of talented individuals but that defence isn't good, break sorta even of the impact of Rian & Oisin O'Neill & I think the Tyrone champs win pretty easily tbh. They aren't a patch on the glory years teams imo.

Armagh18

Quote from: bennydorano on October 23, 2023, 04:00:46 PMCross have plenty of talented individuals but that defence isn't good, break sorta even of the impact of Rian & Oisin O'Neill & I think the Tyrone champs win pretty easily tbh. They aren't a patch on the glory years teams imo.
Don't think Cross have the man markers for the Canavans and Harte, best hope is flooding the defence and keeping goals out. If they don't concede any goals I don't see many teams kicking more points. Easier said than done obviously.

The glory years team are  up there with the best club teams ever so no real shame in that.

brokencrossbar1

Quote from: bennydorano on October 23, 2023, 04:00:46 PMCross have plenty of talented individuals but that defence isn't good, break sorta even of the impact of Rian & Oisin O'Neill & I think the Tyrone champs win pretty easily tbh. They aren't a patch on the glory years teams imo.

Ah come on Benny that's harsh,  even the glory years teams had to start somewhere!  I think in terms of pure talent very few can compare to Rian in any of the teams,  I think the difference is the first group had a 18-19 players that Joe trusted implicitly but we were also extremely physical and we dominated teams. The second burst of glory was based around a group of better footballers than the first set but maybe not just as physically big. Still extremely tough but not as 'tough'. Also,  the 2 teams that won the AIs are up there with the best ever so hard to compare.

The current group are very young. Chris Crowley, Callum Cumiskey, Paul Hughes, AK and Jamie are the only starting players over 26, most under 23. All subs from memory under 23. Do
I think they'll win Ulster?  No. Would I be surprised if they made a good run at it?  No.

bennydorano

Not intended to cause offence, just my opinion of their CURRENT state. I actually think they don't really play as a unit,individual talent gets them over the line most of the time (not a bad problem to have). If they play Errigal I can see nothing other than defeat and if Cross don't have a serious defensive plan - a bad defeat.

armaghniac

Quote from: bennydorano on October 23, 2023, 09:09:44 PMNot intended to cause offence, just my opinion of their CURRENT state. I actually think they don't really play as a unit,individual talent gets them over the line most of the time (not a bad problem to have). If they play Errigal I can see nothing other than defeat and if Cross don't have a serious defensive plan - a bad defeat.


Certainly, they did not exceed the sum of the parts in most of the games to date, in the first half of the final they were almost lackadaisical at times.But the need to tighten the defence must be obvious and there is obvious room for improvement, and improvement is needed.
If at first you don't succeed, then goto Plan B

LeoMc

#87
Not much thought been given to Trillick in here. They will believe they can beat Errigal and would give Cross a run. Probably a more solid defence than Errigal and a couple of top quality forwards will make them hard to beat.

Milltown Row2

#88
Looks like Trillick will be the Tyrone team in Ulster


Hold that!
None of us are getting out of here alive, so please stop treating yourself like an after thought. Ea

brokencrossbar1

Quote from: Milltown Row2 on October 29, 2023, 04:48:49 PMLooks like Trillick will be the Tyrone team in Ulster


Hold that!

Finished it out. Here's hoping they party like fcuk for a few weeks!