Hamas attack Israel & subsequent genocide

[seafoid]

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/middle-east/martin-indyk-why-hamas-attacked-and-why-israel-was-taken-surprise

[Eire90]

will they execute foreign hostages aswell

[burdizzo]

Looks like Madagascar was the place for them, after all!!

[dec]

https://twitter.com/KilclooneyJohn/status/1711404813856932040

Lord John Kilclooney @KilclooneyJohn
Israel is now involved in indiscriminate bombing of civilians in Gaza. This is a War Crime which both the U.K. and EU are supporting!

[Wildweasel74]

There a no. Of Hamas fighters there in TV clips, obviously of a African background.

[redzone]

Are Russia involved in this behind the scenes

[imtommygunn]

Wondering that myself. This thing is going to spiral. More to this I would think than a random well planned attack.

[LC]

Seen the scenes from the music festival that was attacked on the news this evening, brutal stuff. 

What did Hamas think they were actually going to achieve by doing what they did on Saturday? 

Israel will bomb them to kingdom come plus I see they have now cut the water off and no one in the West will say boo to them.

[bennydorano]

David Aaronovitch substack, probably my favourite journo.

https://open.substack.com/pub/davidaaronovitch/p/awake-in-the-night?utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

A great read and his final thoughts remind me shitehawks like burrdizzo shouldn't be entertained.

"One more thing. Vile moments like this may bring out the worst in good people but they certainly empower bad ones. Disinformation on Musk's X is rife and the New Right does its best to associate Hamas with migration to bolster its attack on diversity. Some fall into the essentialist trap of "Muslims are this" or "Zionists" are that. Look before you retweet. It isn't much, but it's all you have."

[Armagh18]

I don't know.  But I'm not the one on here pontificating about what they shouldn't do.  Maybe you want to have a go at answering the question?

But I'll tell you this truth.  If you treat a group of people like subhuman savages,  then you shouldn't be wringing hands and acting surprised when they behave in exactly that way.

At no point have I said the Israeli's are better than Hamas and justify the constant attacks, land grabbing, and demolishing homes and everything else.. 

The thread title is what I'm talking about..

I could talk at length on Israel's atrocities

What should they do? Christ, who knows? There has been better people than the collective on here who have tried and got absolutely nowhere

 

Meanwhile a list of atrocities continues to be perpetrated against these people on a continuous basis

And you've no idea what they should do, but you're happy to sit back from the comfort of your own home and your only contribution is to tell them where they went wrong

Can you see why that sticks in the craw a bit?

And it's nothing to do with some perceived 'personal vendetta'

PS

The thread title is a great example of propaganda in action

In Ukraine the same thing would be described (accurately) as a counteroffensive...

Fully agree with the last line there. The hypocrisy when it comes to the two situations is shocking

It is madness. Israel should be totally boycotted and shunned like Russia has been over Ukraine.

[Armagh18]

We're only hearing about this because there's loads of Jews in the USA, UK that are wealthy and they vote.

wealthy jews control the media/governments/banks etc. is an anti semitic trope.

Is it antisemitic if it is true though? Agreed that I wouldn't blame all Jews for those bastards in Israel. (I wouldn't even blame all Israelis)

[Armagh18]

Seen the scenes from the music festival that was attacked on the news this evening, brutal stuff. 

What did Hamas think they were actually going to achieve by doing what they did on Saturday? 

Israel will bomb them to kingdom come plus I see they have now cut the water off and no one in the West will say boo to them.

That is f**king disgusting.

[Eire90]

trump and his fans are blaming obama and biden

[Eire90]

if hamas knew the scale of the attack then you would think  they would have knowing isreals reponse will be which means maybe they got promises from iran and hezbollah they would intervene

[PadraicHenryPearse]

if hamas knew the scale of the attack then you would think  they would have knowing isreals reponse will be which means maybe they got promises from iran and hezbollah they would intervene

Palestinians should die quietly in their ghetto and not resist their occupier. Israel has 'mowed the lawn' many times before, this is not retalition, this is typical of what   Palestinians suffer periodically, fully supported by the EU/US.