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[Niblock allegedly is the best chf in Ireland]

You're right he will. Baker seems to want to play him further up the field, which I remembered when picking Baker's backs, but had forgotten when I went to pick the forwards.

I reckon he'll start on the half forward line, with Niblock going to chf, Gaga to midfield and Herron to the bench.

yeah thats what he will do to fit in Scullion,think Herron has done really well in MF with McCann hope he does not change that.

So where does Gaga go? Niblock allegedly is the best chf in Ireland, Baker seems to like O'Neill, but if all are fully fit one will miss out.

This competition for places is great.

Who's making this allegation?

Since when did Seamus Woods become a bleedin' authority on all things good for Gaelic Football?  From my recollections of him he was a bloody awful coach and manager with tyrone minors back in the mid-80s - though not sure what the Carrickmore and Omagh CBS men think of him.

And so another set of experimental rules bite the dust.  Perhaps next time they'll grow a set of b**** and try and sort out the real problem with football - the tackle - or rather lack off.

From what I can see the so-called "mark" has not made much difference to the game.  Having said that I'd be slightly more in favour of it if was enacted the same way as aussie rules - i.e. the player calling and/or awarded the mark has to move back towards his own goal and kick from where he caught it, rather than in the GAA version where the player is awarded a free and the opposing team is supposed to retreat.  This way the player catching the ball is rewarded whilst the opposing team is not necessarily disadvantaged just because a player makes a clean catch (whao wee - catch me whilst I faint with amazement).

The whole GAA world seems against us - F*** 'em all!!!!!! 

So should Jerry Flannery not get punished for his wild kick in the rugby because some game somewhere else did not have cameras at it? Does the fact that there were no cameras in one match mean we should ignore the blatant evidence. What if a Tyrone player was caught on camera breaking a guys jaw and he had to suck his food through a straw for 3 months, should we ignore that too? If the evidence is there we should use it. Its a pity it is not there for every match but thats not practical.

1. All 6 Nation games are televised, so it's a moot point.

2. That Tyrone would have committed a GBH, so of course. But shouldn't be used to ban him from the game

If only they would bring in a system like in rugby, then it might be considered fair - independent observer responsible for reviewing the game in its entirety and citing those who have transgressed and got away with it, with a reasonably fairly administered review panel.  Also, competing team are also allowed to cite opposing players whom they feel have transgressed, again with all the evidence looked at fairly and independently. 

But that would be seen as bringing foreign influences into the games and not acceptable.

Also, McEnaeney's handling of Tyrone Derry was abysmal - if he's admitting to missing 4 red card offences.  Christ if the "best" referee in the country does this, what hope for the rest of them?  Mind you, given some of his performances last year, its becoming a bit of a habit - particularly the Dublin v Kerry game.  Maybe the crown is starting to slip off his head and falling over his eyes.

[Did Tyrone bottle it against cork? Did Tyrone bottle it against Laois in 2006? Did Tyrone bottle it against Sligo in 2002?]

The bottling theory is just lazy analysis. Did Tyrone bottle it against cork? Did Tyrone bottle it against Laois in 2006? Did Tyrone bottle it against Sligo in 2002? Just beaten by a better team. Same as Cork on Sunday.

That's not a great piece of analysis there either in fairness: we didn't make half the chances against Cork as they missed against Kerry, we weren't going great in 2006 and just didn't have it. Against Sligo, well, I would say that we actually did bottle it: we threw in the towel long before the end of that game when Sligo turned up the heat.

Despite the best of Kerry's efforts, Cork still had made many chances to convert very scorable opportunities, chances they were burying against ourselves, and once they'd found themselves iin those positions Kerry's tactics were neither here nor there, it was all upstairs.

Have to agree with fear there. Tyrone did bottle it against Sligo. They had better players and in the opening 20 minutes were blowing Sligo off the park. When Sligo came back and offered some resistance Tyrone just folded like a wet paper bag. Tyrone had a history of bottling it in big games in Croker at that stage and that team did not have the mental toughness required. Mickey Harte added that crucial element to Tyrone. They didnt bottle it in 2006, they were just missing so many key men and lost to a better team on the day. Dont think they bottled it this year either, they just turned in an unusually flat performance and didnt get away with it against a very talented and motivated team.

Cork are an excellent team but sadly they didnt seem to believe in themselves on Sunday, when the game started to slip away they did not keep their heads. Kerry on the other hand did not panic despite their slow start and clearly believed they had it in them to reel Cork back in. So much in sport is mental and Sunday, and indeed the closing 20 minutes of the 2008 final, showed that very clearly.

Pretty mediocre match on Sunday to end a pretty mediocre championship but the most deserving team always comes through in the end and congratulations to Kerry.

And what is the common denominator from the 2002 Sligo match and the 2009 Cork match?? John Bannon - only in 2002, he made god-damned sure Sligo got back into the game and this year he made god-damned sure Tyrone did not get back into it.  But hey, I'm not a bitter man nor do I hold petty grudges.

sounds like you do. Your the first Tyrone person I have heard blame the ref for the Sligo defeat.

Blame would be too strong, but Bannon's performance that day certainly coloured my view on his ability to remain impartial throughout a game. And I've seen little since to make me revise that view.   

[Did Tyrone bottle it against cork? Did Tyrone bottle it against Laois in 2006? Did Tyrone bottle it against Sligo in 2002?]

The bottling theory is just lazy analysis. Did Tyrone bottle it against cork? Did Tyrone bottle it against Laois in 2006? Did Tyrone bottle it against Sligo in 2002? Just beaten by a better team. Same as Cork on Sunday.

That's not a great piece of analysis there either in fairness: we didn't make half the chances against Cork as they missed against Kerry, we weren't going great in 2006 and just didn't have it. Against Sligo, well, I would say that we actually did bottle it: we threw in the towel long before the end of that game when Sligo turned up the heat.

Despite the best of Kerry's efforts, Cork still had made many chances to convert very scorable opportunities, chances they were burying against ourselves, and once they'd found themselves iin those positions Kerry's tactics were neither here nor there, it was all upstairs.

Have to agree with fear there. Tyrone did bottle it against Sligo. They had better players and in the opening 20 minutes were blowing Sligo off the park. When Sligo came back and offered some resistance Tyrone just folded like a wet paper bag. Tyrone had a history of bottling it in big games in Croker at that stage and that team did not have the mental toughness required. Mickey Harte added that crucial element to Tyrone. They didnt bottle it in 2006, they were just missing so many key men and lost to a better team on the day. Dont think they bottled it this year either, they just turned in an unusually flat performance and didnt get away with it against a very talented and motivated team.

Cork are an excellent team but sadly they didnt seem to believe in themselves on Sunday, when the game started to slip away they did not keep their heads. Kerry on the other hand did not panic despite their slow start and clearly believed they had it in them to reel Cork back in. So much in sport is mental and Sunday, and indeed the closing 20 minutes of the 2008 final, showed that very clearly.

Pretty mediocre match on Sunday to end a pretty mediocre championship but the most deserving team always comes through in the end and congratulations to Kerry.

And what is the common denominator from the 2002 Sligo match and the 2009 Cork match?? John Bannon - only in 2002, he made god-damned sure Sligo got back into the game and this year he made god-damned sure Tyrone did not get back into it.  But hey, I'm not a bitter man nor do I hold petty grudges.

Best of luck to Cork in the final - better team on the day won.  It's just such a pity that so much air-time, internet space and print media will be wasted on discussing John Bannon's performance and thereby taking away from Cork's.  Cork would probably have won anyway, but all any player asks from a ref is a bit of fairness and competence, and no-one can say that's what they got today from Bannon.

[I'd say Pearse O'Neill might fancy his chances of putting manners on him![]

I'd say Pearse O'Neill might fancy his chances of putting manners on him!
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I think every neutral in the country will be willing him on in this crusade. He epitimosises all that is nasty and sneaky in gaelic football. Thinks he is a hardman but its all an act.
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Good actor though all the same

[Remind me the last time a Dublin player took a player down going through on goals]

If there is a ref who starts booking players for stopping free kicks etcat the start and Kildare learn to be as cynical as Tyrone at stopping goal chances it could make things interesting otherwise Tyrone to win pretty well

Cop on DFS, It's not like Dublin players or any other county's for that matter don't stand in front of
the free taker to watch for the quick pass or will stand back and let some man waltz straight through
for goal simply because he's beaten his marker
If you don't like Tyrone then simply say so!

So you think that sort of behaviour is fully acceptable on the pitch??? I believe it should be an automatic yellow card everytime no matter where on the pitch and needs to be stopped. Remind me the last time a Dublin player took a player down going through on goals....sometimes we would be far better off doing it but its not how I believe football should be played....Did you see Kildare drag Wicklow forwards to the ground, or Antrim to Tyrone/Kerry forwards etc???

Na they're usually stopped out round midfield with Whelen's fist....... Get out a that FFS with your holier than thou attitude
Why just castigate Tyrone for it when as stated by posters other than myself, it happens everywhere nowadays
Except Dublin that is

and when Whelan did it against Meath I said he was blessed not to get sent off and he shouldn't have done it...difference is when Dublin do it I don't approve and am quite happy to say so

Ah, get over yourself.

If there is a ref who starts booking players for stopping free kicks etcat the start and Kildare learn to be as cynical as Tyrone at stopping goal chances it could make things interesting otherwise Tyrone to win pretty well

Feck me your like a dog with a bone!! It's nearly funny now!!

But what you are forgetting is that  Dubforsam is 100% right.

No he's not - he's just repeating what Brolly said on Sunday Game Live last week after the Ulster Final.

You'd have to have rocks in your head to drop O'Neill at the moment - even if he has only scored 0-1 from play in 2 games, he must have been involved in setting up about 1-7 and he sucks in 2 or 3 players every time he gets the ball which leaves acres of space for Penrose and Tommy to take pot shots at goal.  At moment I couldn't care less if he is not scoring freely, but given a choice between him and Penrose one on one with a keeper, I know who I'd rather have sitting on the bench - sorry Marty.

[I don't think he played County Football]

Was it not Paddy Devlin of Omagh that refereed that? I don't think he played County Football

Didn't think so T86, was just talking to a Pomeroy lad yesterday who mentioned Patsy Devlin the referee from Donaghmore. Could be wrong.

Paddy Devlin from Omagh refereed 74 final.  I doubt he played in 56 team (at midfield) as he's only about 5ft 5.  From what I can remember of him as a referee, I doubt he played any football, never mind county - but could be wrong. 

[If it was on the street, the gardai would be involved]

I note that the thuggery exhibited at the end of the Tyrone county final was not even mentioned on the RTE Sports News. I can just imagine if it was the Meath or Dublin finals it would be top of the Sportsnews just like Parnell Park earlier in the year.

Not exactly sure what your point is here (if you have one) but a Meath Dublin intercounty clash is going to be more high profile than a club game in Tyrone. As Playwiththewind pointed out, it'll be well publicised in the days to come.

My points are: First of all, the incidents do need to be dealt with and not swept under the carpet as was indicated with the non mention on the news. With no Sunday Game there is less opportunity to highlight this on PrimeTime and weed out the thug that gave the head butt.

Secondly, whether we like it or not, some counties such as Meath and Dublin will get stuff like this publicised much easier - maybe because of historical rivalries etc. It is unfair but not altogether surprising. I think that the Parnell Park episode torpedoed Meath's season but that's for another thread sometime.

However, considering this is Tyrone who themselves are now high profile and remembering their supporters endless reaction to much much tamer incidents in 1996 I think it should certainly be noted, highlighted and dealt with as their supporters would certainly call for if they were on the receiving end.

I would hardly call the Meath player stamping on the Tyrone players head in 1996 much tamer than todays headbutt.

A definite headbutt (in fact two) is certainly a lot worse than a so called stamp that never happened. It was very clumsy by Martin O' Connell. I would admiut that but it was never a stamp.
Anyway, I wont be drawn into a debate on a 12 year old game - I would just hope that this will be dealt with. If it was on the street, the gardai would be involved.

Whatever else happens, the Gardai won't be involved - not only is it not their jurisdiction, they don't get involved in much else other than racing around the with their blue lights on and the chinese takeaway in the back of the car.

[coney is a boyo for dirt, shame if he is]

I would say that he started it, i heard from a few close to that tussle that coney is a boyo for dirt, shame if he is because he is very talented.
Well done to all involved for a great spectacle and good luck to young coney should he make the move down under.

He's from Ardboe - they're not shy around the lough shore.

We'd be reserved - not shy !

Ah yes, I have many happy memories of beautiful summer evenings and Sunday afternoons playing football among the midges and those reserved Ardboe men 

Sunday afternoons were always very relaxed as well. Pure bliss !

I wouldn't call pulling my lower lip off my teeth after they were embedded in it that relaxing, but they were certainly memorable occasions.   Before going out on the field we always had to make sure we had all our gear with us - boots, gloves, wing-mirrors, etc.