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Good to see promotion and relegation in the club leagues again. Decoupling them from the championship should keep a few clubs happy too.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/football/2023/0125/1351758-glen-launch-appeal-to-the-cccc-what-happens-next/investigation has begun.

What happens next?

The GAA forwarded Glen's objection to Kilmacud this morning. The Stillorgan-based club now have the right to counter object and have up to three days to do so, with the deadline arriving on 11am on Saturday.

Crokes had 16 players defending Glen's late 45

Kilmacud can also choose to proactively inform the CCCC that they won't be counter objecting.

If there is no objection this then allows the CCCC to schedule a hearing on the matter.

The third option available to Crokes is to submit a written admission that they had 16/17 players on the field as alleged in the objection by Glen.

If Kilmacud Crokes counter object or don't submit a written admission, a hearing will be held by the CCCC.

When this takes place depends on what course of action Crokes decide upon, and when they choose to respond.

It is understood that the CCCC would like to hold a hearing within 24 hours of any Kilmacud response. That could mean a hearing being held as early as Thursday or as late as Sunday.

Once the CCCC make a decision in the matter, three days are then allowed for an appeal against the decision.

If the CCCC decided the game has to be replayed, any potential rematch could take place as early as the weekend of 4/5 February.

Depending on the process it could be as late as 18 or 19 February as it's understood a Glen player is due to get married on 11 February.

Ciaran McFaul next due in court on 13th Feb, just to throw another spanner in the works.

Some people are losing the run of themselves on this thread, some of the wild theories being thrown about are clear nonsense. A mistake was made on the sideline by the officials not to notice the player hadn't come off simple as that. Anybody suggesting Crokes deliberately left the man on the field as some sort of last minute ploy that's been hatched since last years final needs their head examined.

If it was the other way round would there be the same social media pile on looking a replay?

There is a clear anti Dublin bias on this board. This thread is allowing people to express that with the county team having had a poor year - by their standards

There is and the Shane Walsh transfer hasn't helped the matter either.

The huge majority of people I know in the real world think Glen shouldn't be objecting.

The poll at the top of the page would roughly reflect the thoughts of people i've talked to. I have spoken to a few who think that Glen should have objected but not actually go ahead with a replay if granted, still a possibility I suppose.

David Moran has retired.
His display in Limerick in 14 v Mayo was awsome.

Rare thing to say about a Kerry player but I almost think he was underrated. Brilliant player.

[There's a lot of jealousy and resentment here and people just need to get over themselves]

There's a lot of jealousy and resentment here and people just need to get over themselves. Malachy O'Rourke as expected showed a lot of class afterwards saying Glen would accept the defeat. The ref and 4th official made big mistakes as the subs shouldn't have been allowed onto the field without players coming off. This was purely an officiating error. There's no asterisk or anything else, Crokes are very worthy champions. They'll be celebrating today like any team and the comments of a few jealous people on here will be a long way from their minds. As regards Walsh, fair play to him, he's a great player and will enjoy this victory. Glen did a great job of keeping him quiet though and it was other Crokes players who did the real damage.

I don't think that's fair. I've made a few comments here based on what I think the right thing to do is. I'm not from Glen. It's nothing to do with jealousy or resentment (although the Walsh thing i'm not sure sits 100% right with me).

[Crokes players]

Thats right Oak, if you watch that period again, the ref blows the whistle for play to continue. I can easily see why Crokes players would not have the time to think have we 16 players on. each concentrating on marking their man or the space inside the 13m line. This is 100% clear cut and on the head of the officials

I don't mean the players. The coaches/management team would have known for sure.

[But this wasn't Crokes abusing any rule]

If nothing is done it could open the flood gates for future abuse

It's a tricky one

Really is a tricky one. At the time I thought there'd be no chance of a replay but the more I think on it I almost think there should be. As you say it sets a bad precedent for teams to potentially abuse. The rules of the game have clearly been broken, if nothing happens what's the point in having them?

But this wasn't Crokes abusing any rule. This was the officials making an almighty c**k up.
There should be no question of Crokes offering a replay - it's not as if Glen would likely have scored, there's no moral obligation (like arguably there was for Meath in the Joe Sheridan case).

But the rule book should be followed now.
I'm not sure if that's easy to answer. Someone put an extract up earlier which could be read as signifying a replay is in order. But just from that abstract I'm not sure whether that was just in relation to bringing on too many subs.
If the rule book say this was just a ref's error rather than playing an ineligible player, then there's no remedy for Glen, like any other ref mistake.

You don't seriously think Crokes didn't know they'd too many men on the field?

If nothing is done it could open the flood gates for future abuse

It's a tricky one

Really is a tricky one. At the time I thought there'd be no chance of a replay but the more I think on it I almost think there should be. As you say it sets a bad precedent for teams to potentially abuse. The rules of the game have clearly been broken, if nothing happens what's the point in having them?

[profile of the player. The uproar is purely because of this]

What's laughable about it..He's a fellow Galwegian like you so you're defensive of it, that's grand

Transfers happen all the time, the only difference is the profile of the player. The uproar is purely because of this. As I said earlier, either get Congress to change the rules on transfers and put in place practical and actionable changes into the current system or just accept that it's the way things are.

Of course they are amateur. Should every player just pack it in go where they want in that case and put in a transfer request..

If that's what's best for their life and they have moved counties then of course they can if they want, who are you or I to judge them? Is there some new GAA moral police around club transfers?

I'd add it's the fact that it's Kilmacud he's went to as well. He's went there because he wants to win an All Ireland club and has done that. From what i've heard it wasn't the closest club to him in Dublin, though this is purely from word of mouth.

[Armagh]

Monaghan v Armagh
Mayo V Galway
Roscommon v Tyrone
Donegal v Kerry

Derry v Limerick
Dublin v Kildare
Cork v Meath
Clare v Louth

Fermanagh v Longford
Tipperary v Down
Westmeath v Cavan
Antrim v Offaly

Carlow v Wicklow
Wexford v London
Leitrim v Waterford
Sligo v Laois

Glass getting a sore touch, has had more of an impact than Walsh or Mannion so far for me. Glen's problem is in front of goal.

[Teams will be prepared now for the Donegal '12 tactics]

It is Gallaghers 4th season, until now the progression year on year has been tangible
It gets much harder from here on though.
Successive promotions, then stalled last year in Division 2... until Derry pulled off a major coup winning the Anglo Celt.
Defending Ulster will be difficult. The element of suprise is gone. Teams will be prepared now for the Donegal '12 tactics.
Derry wont be allowed to play on the counter attack so easily, plus the manic intensity evident last year is difficult to sustain
In order to maintain the trajectory into next season i think Gallagher really needs to get promoted.
I cant see anything other than Dublin winning Div2. So playing for second spot
Kildare is the only team i feel that will put that under threat.

Derry should get promoted, they have a proven defence and midfield.
Their options in the forward line appear to be improving with Niall Toner, Lachlan Murray & Ben McCarron starting the year well.

1st Dublin, 2nd Derry

I think that's lazy enough analysis.

On the 3 players mentioned - Toner has done well in the McKenna cup, Murray has been a bit up and down but obviously has talent and McCarron has been poor in a Derry jersey to be honest.

I wouldn't be putting any money on Derry. We haven't the forwards to justify those odds to be honest.

To be honest I reckon Mayo of 2016, no AI winners among them, would take the best of the rest in a match.

Not even remotely close on paper for me.

[he's made his bed and the team have moved on for the better it seems]

Kilmacaud have more scoring forwards. I imagine that there is probably a chance mannion could play some part too.

I think glen have a better manager and may set up better but I am not convinced there's enough scores in them when the likes of Walsh is at the other end. Hope I am wrong.

Dias in midfield is a great player for kilmacaud. Glen still are probably stronger there but kilmacaud no slouches there either.

Yes Dias is a super player. I could never understand why he was substituted against Kilcoo last year. Foolish move.
     I worry about Glen in the final. Kilmacud have scoring threats all over the pitch and a much better bench. The only thing that I can see beating Kilmacud is a management brain fart as happened last year.
     Glen need Glass pushing up and getting/setting up scores to have any chance. They're playing him as a defensive midfielder anchor and that needs to change. It's just a pity McFaul is out. His presence last year allowed Glass  much more leeway going forward. Really noticeable this year.

I'd say getting to win Ulster and reaching a club final without McFaul has done them no harm, would he be the missing link on the day? who knows, he's made his bed and the team have moved on for the better it seems

He's very much still viewed as part of the panel in Glen. They mentioned it in their Ulster winning speech and he's even one of the players sponsored for their trip to Croke Park.