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GAA Discussion / Re: Jimmy McGuinness
« on: December 07, 2018, 11:30:32 AM »
It's one hell of a story of Jim's life. I know him and his wife and kids and I remember how bleak things looked for him before he got the Donegal job. He had all these qualifications after spending ages in college and loads of self belief but no solid experience. He was sitting beside me at a wedding and he told me all his plans of what he was gonna do with Donegal and how he admired Mickey Harte and what he achieved with Tyrone.

i'd say that's why he is going to the US as his first soccer fits team coach job to get experience of being a head coach for the first time away from all the hype of Europe. Small fish in a big pond where he will learn his trade whilst earning huge money for his family.

I was amazed when he left Donegal first to go to Celtic as I knew how much living at home meant for him and his family but then even more shocked when he went to China but the man is ambitious and like Harte very single minded as Kevin Cassidy found out.
I will not be surprised if he becomes a top coach in the premier league some day. As he says himself above, its just people and life and managing them to get what ye need out of them.

However, unlike Getoverthebar, I think he went too far though with how he changed our GAA game and how we have went through a period of paralysis by analysis. Some can argue Kerry had wing forwards tracking back in the 70s and short kick outs and then many would say Armagh and Tyrone brought in a lot more tactics during the early 00's but I think Jim with his total defensive blanket changed our game forever. It has become much more soccer or basketball like I feel with it no longer a man on man scenario. Possession is king and so the joy of watching a player take on crazy passes or shots or try to beat his man is gone as there will be too many players back sweeping to catch him should he beat his man. Yes sensible and good defending but as a spectacle our game has gone backwards big time and I definitely lay a lot of that blame at Jim's door.
Even in his article in the Irish Times a few weeks before this years final about how he thinks Tyrone's best chance is to go ultra defensive, almost like that terrible low scoring game in 2011 was it? It almost sounded as if he wanted to still justify he was right to play that way.
Anyway fair play to him in the States and I hope he make a fist of it.
I'd say it's because he couldn't get a head coach role in Europe

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General discussion / Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread
« on: December 06, 2018, 04:57:01 PM »
This cannot be a surprise. The punishment these lads take, they have to be taking painkillers just to turn around and play the next week.
It is all about money . So is concussion

That is professional sport.
Maybe rugby shouldn't be professional, Dinny.
Being a gym bunny is one thing when the sport is based on avoiding people .
Rugby is all about attrition and bodies aren't designed for professional attrition.

At least being professional means being accountable, unlike the GAA they treat concussion and player burn-out seriously..
What sort of compensation fund have the IRFU got for concussion at this stage ?
Professional does not mean accountable. Shur look at American football.

Why would they need compensation? Is there a litany of reports showing concussions causing premature death or health issues? Sensationalist!

All the great cover ups like fags, asbestos, Magdalen laundries, NFL concussion, US gym rape etc ended up costing a lot of money.
I can't remember the name but Connacht signed a decent Kiwi winding down his career a few years ago for full back iirc. He went into the Regional hosp for a checkup and the doctor told him to retire immediately.
Anyone know who? Was thinking Mils Muliaina but he went on to play for Zebre and then in the USA after Connacht.

Connacht secondrow Craig Clarke announces his retirement
Thirty-year-old New Zealander sustained 10 concussions in a 22-month period
 
Craig Clarke in action against Leinster during this season’s RaboDirect Pro 12 clash at the Showgrounds. Photograph: Inpho

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Craig Clarke’s retirement from rugby was confirmed yesterday by Connacht.
The 30-year-old New Zealander was stood down after the Saracens match in January and it was subsequently revealed he had sustained 10 concussions in 22 months.
Neither Connacht coach Pat Lam nor Clarke were available for interview yesterday. This meant no explanation was provided for how a player could sustain so many head traumas in such a short space of time and be allowed to continue playing.
It is also unclear how the problem only became apparent after Clarke signed a three -year deal with the province last year.
A highly respected leader, having captained the Chiefs to back-to-back Super rugby titles, Clarke’s main regret on leaving the game was he never became an All Black.
“While I will always be disappointed not to have worn the black jersey of my country, I will sleep easy knowing that I gave it a real crack, particularly in my last three seasons playing in New Zealand,” said Clarke via a Connacht press release
“Craig was obviously one of the biggest signings we’ve ever had at Connacht and it was huge for us to get someone of his experience,” said Lam, also via an email. “But he also had all the qualities of a Connacht team man and we are extremely disappointed for him that his time with the club has been cut short. . . .”
Cheers! Jesus, 10 concussions in 22 months! He should have been stopped before then.

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General discussion / Re: The IRISH RUGBY thread
« on: December 06, 2018, 04:12:02 PM »
This cannot be a surprise. The punishment these lads take, they have to be taking painkillers just to turn around and play the next week.
It is all about money . So is concussion

That is professional sport.
Maybe rugby shouldn't be professional, Dinny.
Being a gym bunny is one thing when the sport is based on avoiding people .
Rugby is all about attrition and bodies aren't designed for professional attrition.

At least being professional means being accountable, unlike the GAA they treat concussion and player burn-out seriously..
What sort of compensation fund have the IRFU got for concussion at this stage ?
Professional does not mean accountable. Shur look at American football.

Why would they need compensation? Is there a litany of reports showing concussions causing premature death or health issues? Sensationalist!

All the great cover ups like fags, asbestos, Magdalen laundries, NFL concussion, US gym rape etc ended up costing a lot of money.
I can't remember the name but Connacht signed a decent Kiwi winding down his career a few years ago for full back iirc. He went into the Regional hosp for a checkup and the doctor told him to retire immediately.
Anyone know who? Was thinking Mils Muliaina but he went on to play for Zebre and then in the USA after Connacht.

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General discussion / Re: The Christmas Thread
« on: December 06, 2018, 01:53:10 PM »
Too soon? :) We were away seeing Santa at the weekend there. Young ones pretty much sorted but haven't got the missus anything yet. Maybe I'm beginning to soften as I get older but I actually am enjoying the odd Christmas song on the radio too.

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Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling
« on: December 06, 2018, 01:29:22 PM »
Mark Lynch was a brilliant player & servant to Derry. Deserved more
+1

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GAA Discussion / Re: Retirements
« on: December 06, 2018, 01:27:40 PM »
Mark Lynch was some servant to Derry. Won an All-Ireland minor championship at No.6 as an U-16 in 2002. Played minor and senior championship on the same day in '04. Played like a man possessed the day he kicked 1-08 against Dublin. He won National leagues at Div 1 & 2 but probably deserved more.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Joe Brolly
« on: December 05, 2018, 03:18:15 PM »
And on another note if anyone finds out where the video was shot please post here, is there a strip joint in Ireland? Just asking for a friend.
Perception is everything in the media business, so I wouldn't say he is out of the woods on this. #MeToo means you can paw at a girl in a club or you can have a highly visible and lucrative media career - but usually, you can't do both.

Crux of this might be the context. If he's locked and sitting there and girl dances over in a club, then he is just a bit of a lecherous auld fool - he could get away with it.

If he is in a strip club though, and he is paying said young woman to come over and dance for him...well, that is a far different power dynamic going on, and it might be too much trouble to defend him.

Be very interesting to see how it plays.

By the way, it is possible to think that people deserve their privacy from geeks with camera phones AND to think that Brolly is actually acting the absolute sleaze here. Cognitive dissonance I think they call it  ;)
The woman was wearing a dress and there was another wearing a dress too in the background. Looks like an ordinary nightclub to me.

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GAA Discussion / Re: Joe Brolly
« on: December 05, 2018, 03:09:17 PM »
Whilst I don't think his media career will be in any doubt, his wife certainly won't be happy. His image has taken a hit, it is a bit creepy/sleazy looking.

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Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling
« on: December 05, 2018, 03:03:48 PM »
Apply the Kerry Model to this list for Senior, Intermediate & Junior using the percentages that Kerry do
58 clubs in Kerry League - 8 Senior (~13.8%),16 Intermediate(27.5%) 16 Junior(27.5%)(referred to this year as Jnr Premier) -- 16 Junior  & Novice after that

We'd have 4/5 Senior - 11 Intermediate, 11 Junior

Slaughtneil 
Magherafelt
Coleraine
Glen
Ballinderry

Dungiven
The Loup
Lavey
Bellaghy
Ballinascreen 
Swatragh
Banagher

Newbridge
Kilrea
Greenlough
Glenullin

Claudy
Foreglen
Castledawson
Ballymaguigan
Steelstown
Drumsurn
Faughanvale
Limavady

Ballerin
Slaughtmanus
Desertmartin

Lissan
Craigbane
Doire Trasna
Drum
Magilligan
Moneymore
Doire Colmcille
Glack
Ogra Colmcille
Ardmore
Sean Dolans


So to make things even, should we run off an intermediate competition from the current senior championship - the 11 that don't make the semi-finals.
& the current intermediate competition winners can represent us at Junior Level

Good idea.  Sure the current junior clubs can just slide on te f**k.  Bound to be happy enough.   ::)

You'd genuinely fear for a few of the junior clubs next year. If the likes of Ardmore or Colmcille are drawn to play the likes of Ballerin, 'Manus, Lissan, Craigbane, Desertmartin etc, never mind the likes of  Drum and Glack in the first half dozen rounds and routine drubbings are dished out, it'll be a tighter slog than ever to field. Junior this past season was very fractured with a good few fixtures not fulfilled. Could be a very long season for the bottom 3/4 teams unless they miraculously unearth 6/7 players somewhere and it won't be from their respective minor teams (neither Ardmore or Colmcille for example fielded minor in the league the last 2 years). Tough times ahead but hopefully a few years down the line the new structures raise these clubs to be competitive.

Re the Kerry divisional teams, I've often wondered about the logistics of training, locations for games, effects on their clubs, training for say 2 different systems etc...
Apply the Kerry Model to this list for Senior, Intermediate & Junior using the percentages that Kerry do
58 clubs in Kerry League - 8 Senior (~13.8%),16 Intermediate(27.5%) 16 Junior(27.5%)(referred to this year as Jnr Premier) -- 16 Junior  & Novice after that

We'd have 4/5 Senior - 11 Intermediate, 11 Junior

Slaughtneil 
Magherafelt
Coleraine
Glen
Ballinderry

Dungiven
The Loup
Lavey
Bellaghy
Ballinascreen 
Swatragh
Banagher

Newbridge
Kilrea
Greenlough
Glenullin

Claudy
Foreglen
Castledawson
Ballymaguigan
Steelstown
Drumsurn
Faughanvale
Limavady

Ballerin
Slaughtmanus
Desertmartin

Lissan
Craigbane
Doire Trasna
Drum
Magilligan
Moneymore
Doire Colmcille
Glack
Ogra Colmcille
Ardmore
Sean Dolans


So to make things even, should we run off an intermediate competition from the current senior championship - the 11 that don't make the semi-finals.
& the current intermediate competition winners can represent us at Junior Level

Good idea.  Sure the current junior clubs can just slide on te f**k.  Bound to be happy enough.   ::)

You'd genuinely fear for a few of the junior clubs next year. If the likes of Ardmore or Colmcille are drawn to play the likes of Ballerin, 'Manus, Lissan, Craigbane, Desertmartin etc, never mind the likes of  Drum and Glack in the first half dozen rounds and routine drubbings are dished out, it'll be a tighter slog than ever to field. Junior this past season was very fractured with a good few fixtures not fulfilled. Could be a very long season for the bottom 3/4 teams unless they miraculously unearth 6/7 players somewhere and it won't be from their respective minor teams (neither Ardmore or Colmcille for example fielded minor in the league the last 2 years). Tough times ahead but hopefully a few years down the line the new structures raise these clubs to be competitive.

Re the Kerry divisional teams, I've often wondered about the logistics of training, locations for games, effects on their clubs, training for say 2 different systems etc...
I've mentioned that before. Ardmore, Sean Dolans, Doire Colmcille and Ogra Colmcille will take hammerings from the teams coming down and could have the opposite effect than desired. You would worry for the future of one or two of those clubs senior teams.

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General discussion / Re: Boxing Thread
« on: December 03, 2018, 02:08:32 PM »
To beat a champion, do you not have to either knock him out or Win almost every round?
You have to win the fight the exact same way you win any other fight.

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Derry / Re: Derry Club Football & Hurling
« on: December 03, 2018, 10:33:12 AM »
So does anyone know all the various leagues and who is in what league next year?
What exactly are you looking for? The senior club football leagues?

If so, I believe it is as follows (Bolded teams to play senior championship, underlined to play Intermediate):

Div 1A
Slaughtneil 
Magherafelt
Coleraine
Glen
Ballinderry
Dungiven
The Loup
Lavey
Bellaghy
Ballinascreen 
Swatragh
Banagher


Div 1B
Newbridge
Kilrea
Greenlough
Glenullin

Claudy
Foreglen
Castledawson
Ballymaguigan
Steelstown
Drumsurn
Faughanvale
Limavady


Div2
Ballerin
Slaughtmanus
Desertmartin
Lissan
Craigbane
Doire Trasna

Drum
Magilligan
Moneymore
Doire Colmcille
Glack
Ogra Colmcille
Ardmore
Sean Dolans




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General discussion / Re: The OFFICIAL FAI Thread.....Roll on France 2016
« on: December 03, 2018, 10:20:15 AM »
A play off for 3rd in the group? as i would expect Switzerland, Denmark to finish ahead of Ireland in the group.

Denmark are no big shakes. Three 0-0 results this last year, two when Ireland were playing absolute dung. Ireland should be aiming for that 2nd spot.

This Irish side are dung and i don't see that changing much under McCarthy

Yeah but what does three nil-nils say about Denmark?
They have two good players and one is their keeper. Plenty of their first team wouldn't be near Premiership standard either.

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General discussion / Re: Man Utd Thread:
« on: November 29, 2018, 04:43:40 PM »
So De Gea has signed a contract extension . . . very strange!!

Must be easier to be a big fish in a shit team than go somewhere to actually try to win things!!!
He didn't that i'm aware of. United triggered a 1 year extension. Obvious thing to do given that he could sign for any club he liked come January if they didn't.

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General discussion / Re: Top 3 Christmas Songs?
« on: November 29, 2018, 04:40:31 PM »
1. Dropkick Murphys - The seasons upon us
2. Coldplay - Christmas lights  ;D
3. 2000 miles - The Pretenders

3 is not enough tbf, Last Christmas, FONY, All alone on Christmas from Home Alone, the list is endless.  So many Christmas yossi's out there, it s hard to condense a list down

I hate X factor for what it done to Christmas numbers 1's

On that, is there any new or recent Christmas songs that we will be listening to in 20 years?

The Darkness had a decent once there, maybe 5 years ago that seems to be going rightly --- I actually looked that up, it was back in 2003.

Christ,
15 years ago  :o

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General discussion / Re: Top 3 Christmas Songs?
« on: November 29, 2018, 02:32:20 PM »
1. Dropkick Murphys - The seasons upon us
2. Coldplay - Christmas lights  ;D
3. 2000 miles - The Pretenders

3 is not enough tbf, Last Christmas, FONY, All alone on Christmas from Home Alone, the list is endless.  So many Christmas yossi's out there, it s hard to condense a list down

I hate X factor for what it done to Christmas numbers 1's

On that, is there any new or recent Christmas songs that we will be listening to in 20 years?
Modern Christmas songs have been relatively poor. If I had to pick a couple I'd guess at:

Coldplay - Christmas Lights
Kelly Clarkson - Underneath the Tree

Songs like Lily Allen's version of Somewhere Only We Know could be popular at Christmas due to their association with TV ads but aren't necessarily Christmas songs.

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