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Mentioned it before on another thread, no idea why so many pundits/fans were raving about such an inconsistent team, and picking them as dark horses.  Tyrone havnt been at the races all year.  Few old hands may move on, as well as management perhaps?

Kerry were brilliant all around the pitch, as easy they got their scores, their turnovers won the game. Should be hard to stop.

The loser of this game should be cheering on the winner to go on and win the All-Ireland.
The 4 times Tyrone won the All-Ireland, Kerry won the following year.
The last time Kerry won 2 in a row, Tyrone won the following year and their 2 in a row before that, Tyrone went 7 pts up in the following final, albeit ended up losing by 8, however I'm sure if Tyrone went 7 pts up in the 2024 final they'd go on to win it, plus if they were awarded a penalty they wouldn't take their point.

wtf are you on about?

Tyrone - too unpredictable to cause any of the big teams any concern.  Similar to Armagh, just not consistent enough. 

Being unpredictable would surely mean the 'big' teams would be concerned about Tyrone. If you offered Jack O'Connor a semi final against Croke Park against either Tyrone or Armagh (or Derry for that matter) Tyrone would definitely not be his first choice.

I would have to disagree.  Everyone is waiting for the inner beast in Tyrone to come to the fore, but it just hasn't happened and I don't think it will this year. 

There was plenty of talk after the ulster championship defeat that they had a really good training block and would be primed for the AI series. 1 win, 1 draw and 1 defeat in their group, with (albeit a point) minus scoring difference will hardly be giving Jack OConnor sleepless nights. 

Maybe Kelly's diving + cheating during league coming back to bite him? Esp the "incident" vs Monaghan

Ah sure then that's ok then

If the shoe was on the other foot, would Armagh ones have highlighted this or just said "ah, nothing in that, not conclusive, he deserved it for diving and cheating against Monaghan" ?

Just call it as it is and move on, there's no defending that action

Yep.
I believe the rule is striking or attempting to strike. At the very least, it looks like 2 attempts to strike.
Should be a straight red.

The first 'strike' occurred when he fell. Hard to avoid. The second 'strike' you can clearly see forker is putting his hand down. Kelly's reaction, or rather lack off, tells you all you need to know

Watching the game I never noticed any reaction from Kelly after the incident.  If he thought he had been punched twice I am sure he would have addressed it with the ref or player who done it. 

On the game itself, Galway seemed to control a lot of the game and the few goal chances created would have killed off Armagh, but they just weren't able to do that.  Surly they are kicking themselves for the predicament they are left in now.  If Kelly is injured for Mayo they have little chance of winning imo. 

Armagh to their credit played well and kept at them, not allowing them to extend their early lead.  Perhaps Galway disrespected them by allowing them to kick the ball into the forwards as they were doing. 

Credit must go to Westmeath also.  As we all suspected, they were going to drop out at this stage, but they wen't out swinging and performed admirably in every game. 

Galway - injuries depending, they are more than likely to get dumped out next day out. 
Armagh - luck of the draw will see them progress further.  Consistency is a big issue. 
Tyrone - too unpredictable to cause any of the big teams any concern.  Similar to Armagh, just not consistent enough. 
Tyrone Fans - couldn't love them if you reared them.   

Hard to call this one.  As I have mentioned before Tyrone appear to be very much a jekyll and hyde outfit.  Good on a good day, bad on a bad day.  I would put Armagh into this bracket as well, throughout the year showing some good, but mostly bad. 

Tyrone should have a sting in them after the Galway game, and Armaghs performance against Westmeath left a lot to be desired. 

Both have something to prove and there is a lot at stake in this game, so it should be a good one. 

Kerry v Mayo 2014 I think it was. Proper end to end stuff, two teams going he'll for bells.

The two lads last night came to the conclusion that Tyrone are the strongest Ulster team left in the AI series.
The same Tyrone team that have won one championship game since 2021 and were beaten by both Derry and Armagh last year.

That was woeful stuff alright. Taking form from 2 years ago and elevating them above the 2 best current teams in the province.

Listen to a few decent podcasts for GAA analysis now. The Sunday Game is finished in terms of analysis, its shockingly bland stuff.

Tyrone see to be a jekyll and hyde team these days and are just too inconsistent.  On a good day, they can be a handful, but you couldn't rely on it.  The two guys seem to think we haven't seen them fully and they may be thinking they are going to get a bit of a run, but I don't personally see it happening.  Liable to go out and beat Galway, but fail to back it up against Armagh. 

Absolutely awful. Has there been a police investigation? Is he going to be charged?

Well she only posted it at 10pm last night. So very early days.

Derry Co Board will not want to have do deal with this so close to Sunday, but deal with it they must. These are very serious allegations.

It will be interesting to see the Co.Board handling of this alright

Horrendous stuff

I always thought that the like of Gaelic is more predisposed to fighting because generally, you have 15 people with direct opponents, constantly jostling, pushing, mouthing at each other for a solid hour. 

The tackle probably makes this worse, as its far to easy to put a hand in where it doesn't belong, close fist tackle etc and as games wear on, these things get slowly worse/sloppier. 

I'm sure anyone here playing has been involved in pushing and shoving matches at some point, and its not hard to imagine how easy things can escalate on from there if you let them. 

Speaking with a few Armagh fans and as per usual they have completely lost the run of themselves. I'm actually quite worried for some of them. Armagh to date have beaten Antrim and Down in the Ulster Championship. Derry will beat them comfortably by 10+

Deluded. Their tears will flood the city this weekend.

I suppose they can only beat what is in front of them.  Unless Armagh fold into themselves completely, they won't get beaten by 10+ points, they have played better quality teams than Derry and end results were not as bad as that. 

I would say the game is 50/50, both teams are operating at the same level more or less. 

I would say the loser of this game going into the draw with Tyrone and Galway(if things go as expected) will profit more in the AI series than the winner coming up against Monaghan, Donegal and Clare(if things go as expected).   

Dunno who will start on Sunday but McPartlan deserves another dig at it for his two previous performances. I wouldn't be a big J Hall fan TBH but he has done much better the last few games too and them two probably will start again. I would bench O'Neill and introduce him to the action for the second half or earlier if needed. J Og Burns for me does not deserve to start, he's been injured and was poor enough last week. One thing we do know for starters is the following players will start and fill in the blanks after that...

Rafferty
McKay
Forker
Mackin
McCambridge (injury doubt)
McCabe
Crealey
Grugan
Campbell
Turbitt
Murnin

From the 11 above i expect to see...

McPartlan
Hall
Morgan or J Og Burns (Morgan was out for last weeks game)
O'Neill or Nugent

I think Conor O'Neill is pretty much nailed on when fit these days. Along with Forker, Mackin & JOB in defence.

When all other options are fit, I think it's two max from McKay, McCabe, McCambridge & Morgan. Maybe not quite enough transitional pace and threat going forward to carry too many of those four.

Conor O'Neill nailed on but McKay isn't, are you serious? McKay is one of the first names on the teamsheet.

I think Morgan has to start if fit, he looked really good last year and it would be good to set the tone against Down.

McKay is good no question, and will likely start every game he's fit for this year.

My point is more that O'Neill (and Forker, and Mackin, and Burns) carry with them another dimension going forward. That ability to be a genuine threat at pace on the transition is vital for a team that wants to play like this Armagh team wants to play.

I'm not sure how much of that sort of threat you get from McKay, Morgan, McCambridge, etc. - so I reckon there's a limit to the number of these guys you can carry and still play the type of football you want to play.

McCambridge carries a big attacking threat when he plays for CE. Granted he plays a a different kind of role for Armagh but he does have that in his locker

Same with Morgan for Cross he's definitely done that.

morgan was definitely attacking well against Antrim until he came off

Quite the pickle for Geezer, and one he needs to get correct to ensure Armagh get over the line.  Down appear to have a bit of speed breaking forward as shown against Donegal so that might play a factor in the starting team.  I would imagine Hall will start and pick up the like of Magill and try and limit his impact, as he was excellent last time out.  O'Neil has to start also, he needs minutes on the legs going into the round robin, regardless of this result.   

I can only see Armagh's main failing being in around midfield.  If Armagh are forced to go long with kickouts, Down have every chance of picking off scores directly from Armagh kickouts that could nudge them ahead.

Down don't push up on kick outs, against Donegal they conceded every kickout since they are weak at midfield. They retreat en masse into defence and then hope to turnover the ball and break quickly with runners. Its basically the Kilcoo blueprint being applied at inter county level which is nothing new at this stage.

Armagh aren't great at midfield either but they won't be exposed in this game and if they can kick quickly over the blanket to an inside combination of Turbitt/Murnin or Turbitt/O'Neill then they can do serious damage as Down are individually quite poor in defence. I expect Armagh will win this game by 6+ points.

Agh fair enough, I watched glimpses of the Down/Donegal match so never picked up on that, i'm just analyzing Armagh's weakest link which is midfield for kickouts.  Heres hoping the weather doesn't ruin what should be a good game. 

Dunno who will start on Sunday but McPartlan deserves another dig at it for his two previous performances. I wouldn't be a big J Hall fan TBH but he has done much better the last few games too and them two probably will start again. I would bench O'Neill and introduce him to the action for the second half or earlier if needed. J Og Burns for me does not deserve to start, he's been injured and was poor enough last week. One thing we do know for starters is the following players will start and fill in the blanks after that...

Rafferty
McKay
Forker
Mackin
McCambridge (injury doubt)
McCabe
Crealey
Grugan
Campbell
Turbitt
Murnin

From the 11 above i expect to see...

McPartlan
Hall
Morgan or J Og Burns (Morgan was out for last weeks game)
O'Neill or Nugent

I think Conor O'Neill is pretty much nailed on when fit these days. Along with Forker, Mackin & JOB in defence.

When all other options are fit, I think it's two max from McKay, McCabe, McCambridge & Morgan. Maybe not quite enough transitional pace and threat going forward to carry too many of those four.

Conor O'Neill nailed on but McKay isn't, are you serious? McKay is one of the first names on the teamsheet.

I think Morgan has to start if fit, he looked really good last year and it would be good to set the tone against Down.

McKay is good no question, and will likely start every game he's fit for this year.

My point is more that O'Neill (and Forker, and Mackin, and Burns) carry with them another dimension going forward. That ability to be a genuine threat at pace on the transition is vital for a team that wants to play like this Armagh team wants to play.

I'm not sure how much of that sort of threat you get from McKay, Morgan, McCambridge, etc. - so I reckon there's a limit to the number of these guys you can carry and still play the type of football you want to play.

McCambridge carries a big attacking threat when he plays for CE. Granted he plays a a different kind of role for Armagh but he does have that in his locker

Same with Morgan for Cross he's definitely done that.

morgan was definitely attacking well against Antrim until he came off

Quite the pickle for Geezer, and one he needs to get correct to ensure Armagh get over the line.  Down appear to have a bit of speed breaking forward as shown against Donegal so that might play a factor in the starting team.  I would imagine Hall will start and pick up the like of Magill and try and limit his impact, as he was excellent last time out.  O'Neil has to start also, he needs minutes on the legs going into the round robin, regardless of this result.   

I can only see Armagh's main failing being in around midfield.  If Armagh are forced to go long with kickouts, Down have every chance of picking off scores directly from Armagh kickouts that could nudge them ahead. 

He seemed half in half out on the live replay. 

As I mentioned in an earlier comment, although both teams are division 2 in 2024, this was a div 1 team playing a div 3 team today and that showed. 

[On paper]

I think a lot of people are mentioning that they are both div 2 teams and that leaves them somewhat even, 50/50.  That is not correct until next year. 
As obvious as that sounds, the realism is that Armagh played Kerry, Galway, Mayo, Tyrone, whereas Cavan played Westmeath, Tipp, Fermanagh and Antrim.  The gulf in difference between the teams they have faced this calendar year is way off. 

Armagh succumbing to narrow defeats to Kerry, Galway and Tyrone also lets them know they are operating close to teams in the mix for the AI. 

That all being said, Cavan have had a good history of beating Armagh over the past 10 years, and Brefini has not been a good place for Armagh either.

On paper Armagh should win this without worry, but Cavan will hold no fear of them and give them a tough game.